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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: sue 123 on Saturday 07 January 17 17:02 GMT (UK)
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Hi All,
Am looking for some more information on the above - my 2nd great grandfather on my mum's side.
I've collated some info from Family Search census details in that he married Jane b 1840 Co Down. They had at least 4 children- 1 John born in Down and the other 3 ( including my great granny Sarah - 1875) born in Liverpool. Sarah went on to marry Joseph Jones & trying to unravel the Jones & Stevensons is difficult to say the least!!!
I found a marriage cert re a Robert Stevenson marrying a Jane Martin in Banbridge in 1859 but not sure if this is the same family.
Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks
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1871 census via http://www.GenesReunited.co.uk/confirms
residence Gascoyne Street Court Liverpool
children
John b 1861 Ireland that means his record should be in GRONI Belfast abt £2.50 unless you need certificate. I think he might be b 1860 with father Robert https://www.ancestryireland.com credits reguired
Isaac b 1865 Lancashire
Robert b1869 Lancashire
Sarah 1877 Lancashire m joseph 4th qter 1895, Toxeth Park, Lancashire seehttp://www.freebmd.org.uk
re a Robert Stevenson marrying a Jane Martin in Banbridge in 1859 but not sure if this is the same family. My best guess too
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John b 1861 Ireland that means his record should be in GRONI Belfast abt £2.50 unless you need certificate. I think he might be b 1860 with father Robert https://www.ancestryireland.com credits reguired
Civil registration of births didn't start until 1864 so GRONI will not have a certificate for his birth.
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Thanks all for your input.
I wasn't sure if the Church in Down would have on line records going back to the 1800s so looks as though I need to bite the bullet & join Ancestry to find more info about Robert Stevenson in Co Down!!! and Yes I'm sure that's my Robert who married Jane Martin also from Co Down.
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Thanks all for your input.
I wasn't sure if the Church in Down would have on line records going back to the 1800s so looks as though I need to bite the bullet & join Ancestry to find more info about Robert Stevenson in Co Down!!! and Yes I'm sure that's my Robert who married Jane Martin also from Co Down.
It's AncestryIreland you need- not Ancestry ;)
https://www.ancestryireland.com/
You can do a bit with free searches before paying-
https://www.ancestryireland.com/family-records/birth-and-baptism-records-county-antrim-and-county-down/
https://www.ancestryireland.com/family-records/marriage-records-co-antrim-co-down/
https://www.ancestryireland.com/family-records/death-burial-records-county-antrim-down/
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Thanks for the reminder Aghadowey.
Those websites are very useful.
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Hi Sue123
In researching my (Barclay) family tree, I've just discovered that one of my ancestors - Mary Isabella Barclay- married a Robert Stevenson from Rathconwell/Rathconvil co.down on 31/10/1854
I know its a bit of a long shot, and probably a bit cheeky, but on the off chance you've come across (and kept) any info about 'my' Robert Stevenson family - they seem to have emigrated to Pittsburgh USA by 1875- I'd be keen to know.
Joy
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They were in Pittsburgh by 1862 according to Robert Sr's death, the 1870 census, and daughter Martha's death record.
Robert Stevenson Sr, husband of Mary Isabella Barclay, was a "minister of the gospel" according to his death record, and 1870 census. Do you know what denomination? Do you know in what church/denomination they were married? This will help greatly when looking for Irish records.
Or have you been through that already?
Or are you looking for the US records?
edited to add:
they arrived between
1) son Joseph's birth in Ireland, which was 1858 on the 1870 census and 12 Oct 1857 on his death record
and
2) son Robert's birth, 1862, according to the census.
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Mary Isabella (Barclay) Stevenson was an active member of the First Reformed Presbyterian Church in Pittsburgh, according to her obituary.
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you might have this already, I'm posting it so the researchers who are good w/ the Irish records have it to start with.
Married in Loughbrickland, Banbridge, Ireland, from Ireland Civil Registration, at familysearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGV8-RHWP
and/or in Aghaderg, County Down, Ireland
his father: Robert Stevenson
her father: Jonathan Barclay
from Ireland Marriages, at familysearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGF4-617
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from the image of the civil record of the marriage:
Marriage at Loughbrickland, parish of Aghaderg, Co Down
Tuesday 31 October 1854
Robert Stevenson, full age, farmer of Rathconwell, father: Robert, a farmer
Mary Isabella Barclay, 20, of Cascum [?]. father: Jonathan, a farmer.
neither father said to be deceased
Married in the Meeting house, acc. to the form and discipline of the Presbyterian Church, by license, by William Breakey
witnesses: Hugh Herron and Alexander Barclay
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1854/09464/5429279.pdf
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Robert Stevenson, full age, farmer of Rathconwell, father: Robert, a farmer
Mary Isabella Barclay, 20, of Cascum [?]. father: Jonathan, a farmer.
Likely to be Rathconvil.
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/orior-lower/loughgilly-lower-orior-portion/rathconvil/
http://www.placenamesni.org/resultdetails.php?entry=14338
Caskum townland
https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-upper-upper-half/aghaderg-iveagh-upper-upper-half-portion/caskum/
KG
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Worth chasing back
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Poyntz_Pass/Rathconvil/307787/
marriage to Edith Watson
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10272/5738417.pdf
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Nathaniel Barclay with an Archibald Stevenson as witness
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1853/09444/5421307.pdf
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OH MY WORD !!!
I live in (Northern/ North of) Ireland and have been sporadically researching my Barclay family for years.
Yesterday was the first time I've been confident about how Isabella Barclay fits into my tree - her father Jonathan is my GGG grandfather.
I'd previously found a Will on the Public Records office Northern Ireland (PRONI) for a Mary Barclay ...who I've now worked out is my GGG grandmother and Isabellas mother.
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/willsSearchResultsDetails.aspx
if this link doesnt work, search proni wills callander mary barclay kescum
From the Will I can see Isabella Stevenson and her 2 brothers - Samuel and Joseph Barclay -were in Pittsburgh in 1875, so all the information you guys have provided in the last few hours is completely new to me,fascinating,and totally ties in with the dates in the Will.
I'm not at all familiar with any of the American genealogy sites,Census etc so I'm absolutely delighted to have the information you've provided on here today.
As I think you've already worked out, the (Barclay) family were predominately Presbyterian.
I need to reread all the replies which have appeared on here since I posted my question.. about 12 hours ago...but for now I just want to say a huge thank you for ALL the information and website links.
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familysearch.org is a free site, but you need to sign up and set up an account. The US censuses are there and some vital records. Sometimes the indexing is based on a bad transcription of the surname or given name, so try different combinations when looking for them.
Ancestry.com has the Pennsylvania death records, and some older obituaries included. for other newspaper.com articles, you need an extra subscription.
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Hi All, I don't think this is the same Robert Stevenson as mine. As mine married a Jane Martin in Banbridge in 1859 and subsequently moved to Liverpool.
I am pleased though that you have managed to get somewhere with your family and that is why forums like these are so good.
Best
Sue
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following on to Kiltaglassan's tip
Tithes Applotment Books
1823-1837 Tithes Applotment Books
based upon the index work of the Irish Genealogy Hub’s
listing for each parish in Northern Ireland,
The relevant original books are in the
Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) Belfast
Stevenson, Robt.-- Townland: Rathconwell Year: 1834-Loughgilly-Armagh
http://www.rosdavies.com/SURNAMES/B/Bar.htm needs donations. Do not use for profit, ask her
. BARCLAY . . also see Barkley .
Miss BARCLAY . Aghaderg of Loughbrickland ; visited the Annesley Estate near Castlewellan 20 Sep 1909 AEVB
Mrs. . BARCLAY . Magheradrool born Markethill, Co. Armagh; lived at 4 Mile Inn on Newry to Belfast Road; Presbyterian; turned 100 12 Nov 1924; lived with her daughter (aged 70) in Ballynahinch DR*
Agnes BARCLAY . Aghaderg of Derrydrummick; owned 45 acres in 1876 LOI
Alexander BARCLAY . Aghaderg of Ballynaskeagh ; owned 25 acres in 1876 LOI
James BARCLEY . Aghaderg regd. Loughbrickland; husband of Jane Taggart; father of Julia Anne b. 4 Mar 1871 CR
Miss Jane BARCLEY . Aghaderg regd. Loughbrickland; wife of William Hawthorn; mother of John b. 1868 & Samuel b. 1871 CR
. John BARCLAY . Aghaderg son of Nathaniel Barclay ; married Agness McCammon 22 Nov 1853 CRJonathan BARKLEY . Aghaderg of Derrydrummuck; will probated 1798 IIW V4 p7
Miss Margaret Ann BARCLEY . Aghaderg regd. Loughbrickland; wife of Alexander Patton ; mother of Margret b. 1867 & Esther b. 1869 & George b. 1872 CR
Miss Mary BARCLAY . Aghaderg daughter of Nathaniel Barclay ; aged 28 married Henry Herron 27 May 1852 CR
Miss Mary Isabella BARCLAY . Aghaderg daughter of Jonathan Barclay ; aged 20 married Robert Stevenson 31 Oct 1854 CR
Nathaniel BARCLAY . Aghaderg of Derrydrummuck; will probated 1853 IIW V4 p7
Nathaniel BARCLAY . Aghaderg son of Jonathan Barclay ; married Elizabeth Anne Sands 29 Jun 1853 CR
Nathaniel BARCLAY . Aghaderg of Derrydrummuck; a farmer in 1910 POD
William BARCLEY . Aghaderg regd. Loughbrickland; husband of Elizabeth Hawthorn; father of Jane b. 26 Jan 1869 & Sarah b. 26 Apr 1871 & John Alexander b. 29 Jul 1874 CR
keep searching
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Thank you again folks for the last few links...
I'm more than happy with, and have probably seen most of, the Irish sites, so any pointers towards the American links for Mary Isabella (Barclay) Stevenson's family, including Samuel and Joseph Barclay would be more than helpful ;D
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... so any pointers towards the American links for Mary Isabella (Barclay) Stevenson's family, including Samuel and Joseph Barclay would be more than helpful ;D
Do you have a subscription to ancestry with access to the US records? If so, I will post the links.
Is this your tree?
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/166392247/person/312158263890/facts
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If that is your tree on ancestry.com, here are a few records you don't have.
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for Joseph Barclay
1860
https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7667&h=1530543&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=TUs523&_phstart=successSource
probably 1900
https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7602&h=58065162&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=TUs523&_phstart=successSource
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for Samuel Barclay
1860
https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7667&h=1468287&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=TUs514&_phstart=successSource
1880 Census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW6V-7YC
Pittsburgh Deaths, August 30, 1902
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XZW3-G8V
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Robert Stevenson Sr's death
resided 3 Roberts St, Ward 11, Pittsburgh, had been there for 12 years.
buried Allegheny Cemetery
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XZ7N-C29
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sorry for the delay replying...real life always gets in the way of genealogy ::)
I don't have a subscription to Ancestry ...but think I need to take one out ASAP ..especially if there's someone else on there with a tree which could be linked to mine :o
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Do you have a subscription to ancestry with access to the US records? If so, I will post the links.
Is this your tree?
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/166392247/person/312158263890/facts
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Hello again... No...that isn't my tree...but I have now taken out a subscription to Ancestry (UK) and am slowly but surely updating the tree...funny to see there's another 'Joy' gathering up info about the same family.
I can't thank you enough for the links you put on here Oldohiohome...its great to have some fresh leads :-)
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The Stevensons are indeed very complicated. I think we may be related. If this is my Robert Stevenson (2nd great grandfather also) he actually had two families. He left his wife in Ireland and married in Scotland, having more children, a son Robert Stevenson who was my great grandfather born in Broxburn.