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Title: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Saturday 07 January 17 17:03 GMT (UK)
I am looking for any info you have about James Weatherhead born approx 1822 and married Barbara Russell in 1844 in tynemouth, as well as any info on Jame's father-Joseph Weatherhead, born in berwick upon tweed, they were both mariners (james and Joseph)
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: Radcliff on Saturday 07 January 17 20:29 GMT (UK)
his marriage doesn't give any clues

image 323 of 693
Bishops transcripts for Tynemouth
James Weatherhead of this parish,Bachelor
Barbara Russell of this parish,Spinster
were married by banns
on the 14th May 1844
by James Burrow ,curate
witnessed by Hindmarch Johnson and Maria Carolin names a little blurred so I may have got them wrong
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: Radcliff on Saturday 07 January 17 20:55 GMT (UK)
first son William
baptised 21st Feb 1845
abode Clive Street
fathers occupation Mariner
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: suzard on Sunday 08 January 17 01:27 GMT (UK)
there is this baptism
James Weatherhead
baptism 10 Jun 1821
Berwick upon Tweed Northumberland
parents Joseph Weatherhead & Elizabeth

and this marriage
7 Aug 1820
Berwick upon Tweed Northumberland
Joseph Weatherhead
Elizabeth Carruthers

Suz
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Sunday 08 January 17 17:12 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for the info! I figured out that Hindermarch Johnson was a brother in law to James Weatherhead so I'm on the right track  :) Do any of you know the easiest way to get a marriage certificate from England, I'm in Canada...
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: Radcliff on Sunday 08 January 17 18:32 GMT (UK)
You can order the marriage certificate on line
from the GRO  General Register office £9.25 not sure about the postage
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: Tickettyboo on Tuesday 10 January 17 14:43 GMT (UK)
There is a Merchant Seaman record for a James Weatherhead, born Berwick 5th Jun 1821
BT113 Piece 41 (transcription and image available via Find My Past)

Ticket no 80,187 first went to sea as an apprentice 22nd May 1837
In 1844 (the date of the record) it stated he lived at North Shields when unemployed and the ticket was issued at Newcastle. He was 5ft 7ins, had black hair, fair complexion and gray eyes - no distinguishing marks.
Its a good 'possible' for your man.

Sadly the Masters/ Mates certs for the numerical series this one falls into have not survived and are not in the database on ancestry (I enquired with the National Maritime Museum about them a long time ago as I was searching for one in that series).


Boo
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: lizdb on Tuesday 10 January 17 15:26 GMT (UK)
You can order the marriage certificate on line
from the GRO  General Register office £9.25 not sure about the postage

£9-25 includes postage to anywhere in the world
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Wednesday 11 January 17 19:11 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for the info  :) Much appreciated...just a shout out, if anyone needs help with Canadian information, I am available to help you as well :)
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: middlesbrough on Wednesday 11 January 17 21:30 GMT (UK)
It would appear James died at sea on the vessel "Mayborough" in 1859 at Hatteras Shoals returning from Dominica. All hands probably lost.
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: River Tyne Lass on Thursday 12 January 17 14:27 GMT (UK)
They were married at Christ Church, Tynemouth in the town of North Shields.  I found this out through the very useful Tyneside website 'Margaret Hall Genealogy '.  Save your money if you can wait up to a month and no one beats me to it I will look up the marriage for you when I get time.
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Thursday 12 January 17 20:26 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much, I was able to see some info on james and the vessel and that was amazing and I have to say I am overwhelmed by all the help I've had so far, thank you so much!
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Thursday 12 January 17 21:33 GMT (UK)
I have this info about Joseph Weatherhead...

    Joseph Weatherhead
Spouse's Name    Elizabeth Carruthers
Event Date    07 Aug 1820
Event Place    Berwick-Upon-Tweed, Northumberland, England

Only problem is I wanted to look online for his marriage banns..and I can't figure out what church or county/city he would have been married in...is Berwick considered scotland in the 1820's
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Thursday 12 January 17 22:10 GMT (UK)
Found this..any idea where I could get the original?

    Joseph
Last name    Weatherhead
Sex    Male
Marriage year    1820
Marriage date    07 Aug 1820
Place    Berwick-upon-Tweed
Description    Holy Trinity
Spouse first name(s)    Elizabeth
Spouse last name    Carruthers
Groom's first name(s)    Joseph
Groom's last name    Weatherhead
Groom's parish    -
Bride's first name(s)    Elizabeth
Bride's last name    Carruthers
Bride's parish    -
County    Northumberland
Country    England
Record set    Northumberland and Durham Marriages
Category    Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
Subcategory    Marriages & divorces
Collections from    United Kin
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: Tickettyboo on Thursday 12 January 17 22:35 GMT (UK)
You mentioned you are in Canada.

Do you have an LDS Family History Centre near where you are? I used one a lot when we lived in Alberta and was made very welcome even though I am not a church member. They are an amazing resource especially if you are researching remotely.

You can search for one from this link
https://familysearch.org/locations/centerlocator?cid=hp2-1047

The LDS have a huge amount of digital images that can be accessed (including Banns registers and Marriage registers for the place and time frame you need)

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01j9j/

that link takes you to the page that lists what can be viewed at a Family History Centre but not online from home unless you are a church member or a member of a supporting organisation (not too sure what qualifies as supporting organisation)


Other than that, the original registers are held at Northumberland Archives http://www.experiencewoodhorn.com/collections/ That is their homepage, there is a link on there to their copying service.

Be aware that the information on a marriage register from that time frame may well be sparse and not much (if anything) more than you have on the transcription you found.

Boo
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: c-side on Thursday 12 January 17 23:19 GMT (UK)
In 1820 the marriage was most likely to be at Holy Trinity.  I can have a look at it next week if you wish but GENUKI doesn't mention the availability of any banns.

Christine
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: Tickettyboo on Friday 13 January 17 23:27 GMT (UK)
In 1820 the marriage was most likely to be at Holy Trinity.  I can have a look at it next week if you wish but GENUKI doesn't mention the availability of any banns.

Christine

Christine, I looked at the Archives Catalogue - took a while as it still moves like treacle in winter, but they do have Banns for Holy Trinity in Berwick. The reference to the originals is EP 38/22 for the time frame in question. I got the reference from the Family Search page at http://www.rootschat.com/links/01j9j/

Its such a shame that these images can only be seen whilst at a Family History Centre as there is a huge amount of info for Northumberland. I assume the Archives won't give permission for us to view them from home.

Soon as the weather perks up, I am gong to give my nearest centre a call and see if I can go along and have a good firkle :-)

Boo
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: Millmoor on Friday 13 January 17 23:55 GMT (UK)
You can view the Bishop of Durham's Transcript of the marriage (it is image 649 in the Bt's for Berwick upon Tweed). The only additional information is that they both signed with their mark. The witnesses were William Pearson and John Griffin.

You can access them by using the catalogue on Familysearch - search for Berwick upon Tweed and then select church records. From the list select bishop's transcripts and scroll down until you see a camera icon. Click on it and you can view the entire film for the parish.

William
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: Tickettyboo on Saturday 14 January 17 00:05 GMT (UK)
Oh well found William!

I wonder why Berwick is not on the list in the BTs?

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01j9n/

That is a direct link to the image for the marriage

and this is a link to James' Baptism
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01j9o/



Boo
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: Millmoor on Saturday 14 January 17 00:17 GMT (UK)
There are a number of parishes, Boo, which do not appear in the list of parishes which can be accessed in this way. Bellingham is another one that comes to mind. In the case of Auckland St Andrew you only have images up to 1796 if you go from the list but can go up to the 1840's if you access from the catalogue.

William
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: Tickettyboo on Saturday 14 January 17 00:20 GMT (UK)
There are a number of parishes, Boo, which do not appear in the list of parishes which can be accessed in this way. Bellingham is another one that comes to mind. In the case of Auckland St Andrew you only have images up to 1796 if you go from the list but can go up to the 1840's if you access from the catalogue.

William


I've used the catalogue in that way before - for other counties, but never tried for Northumberland.
Will be having a good firkle in there :-)
Thank you, I learn so much useful stuff in here :-)

Boo
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: c-side on Saturday 14 January 17 15:13 GMT (UK)
You certainly do learn new stuff on here - I didn't even know that there was a 'back door' to the BTs.

Just need to remember how to do it now  ;D
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: Millmoor on Saturday 14 January 17 16:37 GMT (UK)
I only found out myself a couple of months ago...... on Roots Chat, of course :)
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Sunday 15 January 17 20:06 GMT (UK)
WOW WOW WOW, you guys are AMAZING! I'll never be able to fully express how much it means to me that you all take the time to help me, thank you from the bottom of my heart  :)

p.s. I found out that James died in a shipwreck and that the North shields fishermen are looking to build a memorial for fishermen that lost their lives at sea so I'm going to donate  :)
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Tuesday 17 January 17 15:10 GMT (UK)
If I have other information I need help on do I start another post or continue on this one?
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: Millmoor on Tuesday 17 January 17 16:34 GMT (UK)
Hi

If it is related to the present enquiry I would be inclined to ask here as then duplication of information is avoided. If it is completely unrelated(eg a totally different branch of your tree) best to start another thread. If in doubt I would suggest post it here as I am sure that if it becomes obvious that another thread makes sense someone will say so!

William
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Tuesday 17 January 17 17:54 GMT (UK)
Thank you Millmoore :)

So here goes...

I found out James Weatherhead went to jail for ten days for not showing up to board a ship, he was a mariner, does anyone know if it was a regular prison then, or something just for sailors?

I would like to find Joseph Weatherhead's birth/death info/believed to be born in Berwick on tweed, england

Also I found out that Barbara Russell, James Weatherhead's mother, died in the workhouse in Tynemouth in 1871 and her youngest son James (born in 1857) was in there also...I have to say it made me sad to see that but I would like to find out any info on when she was registered there...and what happened to her youngest son after she died? would love to see his discharge...

And last but not least...my great great great grandmother Elizabeth Jane weatherhead who is James and Barbara's daughter emigrated at some point between 1871 and 1873 from england to New Brunswick Canada...she was married in 1871 to Anthony William Wagner and I can't find any record of him in England or Canada..I know she married him in 1871 in England, and she gave birth to her daughter Elizabeth Jane Wagner in 1873 in New Brunswick Canada, she then married my great great great grandfather in 1874

I would like to know what happened to Anthony William Wagner as well..his father's name was George Wagner.

Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 17 January 17 18:16 GMT (UK)
Could this be James  ??? - 1881 Scotland Census Mill Road Town Begins Berwickshire - originally transcribed  James Weatharhead but someone has sent an alteration on anc.

James Weatharhead   24 Born Ayton, Berwickshire
Jane Weatharhead   30
Eleanor S Weatharhead 2 Born Eyemouth, Berwickshire
James W Weatharhead 7 Months. Born Eyemouth, Berwickshire.

Sandra
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 17 January 17 18:20 GMT (UK)
IF reply 27 is James then they show in 1891 Mill Road Berwickshire - birth would be out slightly

James Weatherhead   44 Boat Builder.
Jane Weatherhead   40
Eleaner S Weatherhead 12 James William Weatherhead   10

1901 Toll Rd Springbank Eyemouth Berwickshire. Again birth would be out

James Weatherhead   55 Jane Weatherhead   52
Eleanor S Weatherhead 22 James W Weatherhead   20

This James (wife of Jane nee Kennedy) passed away 24 December 1924 probate 23 June 1925

Sandra
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Tuesday 17 January 17 18:34 GMT (UK)
Sandra, those wouldn't match the James I'm looking for...he was born in Tynemouth..7 may 1857..
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Tuesday 17 January 17 18:36 GMT (UK)
I should say born in North Shields..baptised in tynemouth...I believe..
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 17 January 17 19:08 GMT (UK)


I would like to find Joseph Weatherhead's birth/death info/believed to be born in Berwick on tweed, england
 

What year was Joseph born ?

James baptism Tynemouth, Northumberland - 3 August 1859

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J78S-Z84

Best to always give as much info as you can in your posts.

Sandra
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: Tickettyboo on Tuesday 17 January 17 19:11 GMT (UK)
Taking this in bite sized pieces:

I found out James Weatherhead went to jail for ten days for not showing up to board a ship, he was a mariner, does anyone know if it was a regular prison then, or something just for sailors?

Which James Weatherhead?
If it was the one previously discussed, son of Joseph and Elizabeth who was baptised 10 Jun 1821 at Berwick upon Tweed, then did your info about the sentence come from the newspaper report in 1847? If so then that case was held at North Shields Police Court and he was sentenced to the House of Correction. That would be a general local prison, not specific to any one section of those sentenced.


I would like to find Joseph Weatherhead's birth/death info/believed to be born in Berwick on tweed, england


Do you have any records for Joseph which would give at least a ball park figure for his year of birth? Do you have him on any census returns to pin down the last time you know he was still alive to narrow down his death year and where he was last recorded as living?

If you can shed some light on the above, then that will help.

I'm not ignoring your other queries but there are a lot to deal with in one go and I am a great believer in baby steps :-)

Boo
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 17 January 17 19:14 GMT (UK)
Did the name of Anthony William Wagner's father come from the marriage certificate or just the family search record  ?  If so what was the occupation of George ?

Sandra
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: Millmoor on Tuesday 17 January 17 19:28 GMT (UK)
I cannot see a likely death for Joseph Weatherhead.

Following on from Boo's point about the House of Correction if you google " North Shields House of Correction" as I just did there is a really good piece about it.

Re workhouses try the website " workhouses.org". It is very good and, although it may be currently unfashionable to say so, is very much the work of an expert. You may not find what you are looking for but this will give a good idea of what the workhouse was like and the location, if any, of surviving records.

Re Anthony William Wagner worth considering that, since no other British records are obvious, he may have been a mariner from overseas eg mainland Europe (or perhaps Canada- have you looked for his birth there?)

William

Added - There does seem to be at least one other Weatherhead family of mariners in Berwick upon Tweed in the same sort of time frame - father Thomas and son William. There may, of course, be no connection but it might be an angle worth pursuing.

Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: suzard on Tuesday 17 January 17 19:40 GMT (UK)
I cannot see a likely death for Joseph Weatherhead.



Re Anthony William Wagner worth considering that, since no other British records are obvious, he may have been a mariner from overseas eg mainland Europe (or perhaps Canada- have you looked for his birth there?)

William

there is an Emily Wagner who married at same place as Anthony William Wagner - she married in 1876 -her father was John Wagner
It looks like Emily's parents were John & Mary Wagner - b Germany
There is also a Doris Wagner who is a lodger in same area - maybe they were related??

Suz
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Tuesday 17 January 17 19:53 GMT (UK)
I am sorry if I bombarded you guys with information  :o I didn't mean to do that..I just got so excited about finding out things :)

So @tikkety boo aka boo :)

"Which James Weatherhead?
If it was the one previously discussed, son of Joseph and Elizabeth who was baptised 10 Jun 1821 at Berwick upon Tweed, then did your info about the sentence come from the newspaper report in 1847? If so then that case was held at North Shields Police Court and he was sentenced to the House of Correction. That would be a general local prison, not specific to any one section of those sentenced."

Yes the james weatherhead that was in prison in 1847...@Millmoor I will read the info about the prison at North shields and thank you for the tip on the workhouse...and I will check in canada, couldn't find him in new brunswick but I can try the rest of the provinces :) and other countries

@Sandra

I saw Anthony Willliam's wagner's father's name (george wagner) on marriage registration..I don't know what george did for a living...

Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Tuesday 17 January 17 20:02 GMT (UK)
@millmoor "Added - There does seem to be at least one other Weatherhead family of mariners in Berwick upon Tweed in the same sort of time frame - father Thomas and son William. There may, of course, be no connection but it might be an angle worth pursuing."

I will definitely check that option as well..I did notice them too

@suzard "there is an Emily Wagner who married at same place as Anthony William Wagner - she married in 1876 -her father was John Wagner
It looks like Emily's parents were John & Mary Wagner - b Germany
There is also a Doris Wagner who is a lodger in same area - maybe they were related??"

I will check that family as well, thank you all so much for your help, I'm, as you can tell, a beginner and I need all the help I can get...I can tell you this..this info has not been know in almost 100 years to my family so it is pretty amazing!




Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 17 January 17 20:08 GMT (UK)

Quote - I saw Anthony Willliam's wagner's father's name (george wagner) on marriage registration..I don't know what george did for a living..

That doesn't sound as if you have seen the actually marriage certificate  ???

Sandra
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Tuesday 17 January 17 20:09 GMT (UK)
@sandra, I apologize if I didn't get the term correct as I said I am just learning here, please be patient with me, thank you
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 17 January 17 20:18 GMT (UK)
I was just trying to find out if you have the actually marriage certificate (rather than just the family search entry). That would give us the occupation of George (father) or Anthony William Wagner  ???
Every small clue helps.

Sandra
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: Tickettyboo on Tuesday 17 January 17 20:21 GMT (UK)
@sandra, I apologize if I didn't get the term correct as I said I am just learning here, please be patient with me, thank you

Can you tell us what and where the record was that gave you this information? The terminology does
vary from place to place.

Boo
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 17 January 17 20:25 GMT (UK)
Did Anthony William Wagner - use the christian name William rather than Anthony ?
I ask because I can see a William Wagnor (slight spelling variation) and Elizabeth Wagner (age slightly out) who arrived Ontario, Canada in 1871 ? Would like to find the passenger list to see if it was just the two of them travelling or were there other family members.

Sandra
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Tuesday 17 January 17 20:27 GMT (UK)
I got the info from Family Search and from findmypast.co.uk.. they found it from here...England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: middlesbrough on Tuesday 17 January 17 20:33 GMT (UK)
I noticed from Elizabeth's marriage record  her fathers name is given as William. You could very well be right.
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Tuesday 17 January 17 20:39 GMT (UK)
Yes the records for their daughter shows him as William Wagner or William Waggoner..not sure if this helps but my father told me his mother called my great great great grandmother lizzie waggoner
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: middlesbrough on Tuesday 17 January 17 20:57 GMT (UK)
Have you seen the death certificate for Elizabeth Matchett on Family Search?
Date of Birth 1874
Name of father William Wagner
Place of birth Germany
Name of mother Elizabeth Weatherhead
Place of birth England
Place of burial Union Cemetery Whitney
Burial Sept 13 1931
Cause of death Carcinoma cervix uteri
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: Tickettyboo on Tuesday 17 January 17 21:01 GMT (UK)

So @tikkety boo aka boo :)

"Which James Weatherhead?
If it was the one previously discussed, son of Joseph and Elizabeth who was baptised 10 Jun 1821 at Berwick upon Tweed, then did your info about the sentence come from the newspaper report in 1847? If so then that case was held at North Shields Police Court and he was sentenced to the House of Correction. That would be a general local prison, not specific to any one section of those sentenced."

Yes the james weatherhead that was in prison in 1847...

Okay so that question has been partially answered and you now have further links to info about the prison for you to pursue.

So that's a baby step forward with the first query in your post:-)

So, to the second one:

I would like to find Joseph Weatherhead's birth/death info/believed to be born in Berwick on tweed, england


Do you have any records for Joseph which would give at least a ball park figure for his year of birth? Do you have him on any census returns to pin down the last time you know he was still alive to narrow down his death year and where he was last recorded as living?

If you can shed some light on the above, then that will help.

Boo





Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 17 January 17 21:13 GMT (UK)
Yes the records for their daughter shows him as William Wagner or William Waggoner..not sure if this helps but my father told me his mother called my great great great grandmother lizzie waggoner

That sort of small piece of information with the christian name is quite important.

Sandra
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: Tickettyboo on Tuesday 17 January 17 21:36 GMT (UK)
Yes the records for their daughter shows him as William Wagner or William Waggoner..not sure if this helps but my father told me his mother called my great great great grandmother lizzie waggoner

That sort of small piece of information with the christian name is quite important.

Sandra

Yes, but acquiring the art of compiling queries is a often a long process we all have to go through :-)

Interestingly, though the GRO index has Elizabeth down as WEATHERHEAD for the marriage to Anthony WAGNER, I checked the North Tyneside registrars site, originally to ascertain which church they married at.
The registrars site has the bride's surname as WEATHERSTONE and the register as C1 - which according to their list is Christchurch, North Shields.
Either the GRO or the Registrars have mistranscribed the record.

I have sent a PM to a Rootschatter who may look at the marriage on the register at Woodhorn next time she goes if she has the time. If she can find it, then we will have the full info from the record.

Boo
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Wednesday 18 January 17 15:51 GMT (UK)
@middlesbrough
"Have you seen the death certificate for Elizabeth Matchett on Family Search?
Date of Birth 1874
Name of father William Wagner
Place of birth Germany
Name of mother Elizabeth Weatherhead
Place of birth England
Place of burial Union Cemetery Whitney
Burial Sept 13 1931"

Thank you for showing me this, I would have never thought of looking at William and Elizabeth's daughter's death certificate..so now we know he was born in Germany :)

@Tickkety boo aka boo

"Do you have any records for Joseph which would give at least a ball park figure for his year of birth? Do you have him on any census returns to pin down the last time you know he was still alive to narrow down his death year and where he was last recorded as living?

If you can shed some light on the above, then that will help.

I know he was married to Elizabeth Carruthers on August 7 1820 in Berwick upon tweed, england, I did find a listing for a baptism for a Joseph Weatherhead baptised on December 13, 1791-parents John Weatherhead and Isabel Hope, but I can't be sure it's him...this was found in the same church records as the wedding banns for Joseph Weatherhead...I know he was a mariner

Again thank you all for your help! I plan on going to the provincial archives soon to check on ship records..I am lucky enough the archives are located in my city so that part of the journey I can definitely do on my own..I just hadn't realized that they had ship records for that time. Is there anything else I should be looking for there? that would give me some info? on when Elizabeth Jane came over from England and if William Wagner was with her?


Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: Radcliff on Wednesday 18 January 17 20:55 GMT (UK)
The surviving records for Tynemouth workhouse are held in Newcastle archives
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: Tickettyboo on Thursday 19 January 17 11:32 GMT (UK)
The Rootschatter I asked to do a look uo (Take a bow C-side and thank you!) has come up trumps yet again.
Here are the marriage details

Christchurch, Tynemouth, 17th April 1871 by licence

Anthony William Wagner, Bachelor of full age, Sailor, of this parish.  Father George Wagner, Farmer
Elizabeth Jane Weatherhead, Spinster of full age, of this parish.  Father James Weatherhead, Sailor

Anthony signed, Elizabeth made her mark

Witnesses:  Ann (?) Peterson, Robert Pine

The really odd thing about this record is that the brides surname was badly written on all three occasions to the point where I would not have known it said Weatherhead unless I was primed to see it that way.  It did, in fact, look like Weatshead.  The rest of the writing was not like that??



Given that they were married by licence I then checked the licences via Family Search and the licence image can be seen/ downloaded here :

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jb9/

No new info but its a nice thing to have to add to your family records.



Boo
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: Millmoor on Thursday 19 January 17 18:13 GMT (UK)
Re the baptism record you found for Joseph Weatherhead in Berwick in 1791, I agree that it might be hard to prove that he is the Joseph you are looking for.

I note that there are actually two transcriptions for Joseph on Familysearch - one for Joseph Weatherhead and one for Joseph Weatherhead or Hope. Now the latter is often an indication of illegitimacy. Looking at the actual image in the Berwick Bt's (it is image 159) the entry says " Dec 13 Joseph son of John Weatherhead and Isabel Hope (Born 10th)".

The entry immediately above states Dec 11 Ann daughter of James and Ann Mills (born Nov 22nd)... and the one below Dec 18th Robert Nisbet Son of William and Margaret Weatherhead (born 4th).

Now while it does not come outright and say it I think I know the conclusion that I would arrive at from the above - just something to bear in mind if doing further searches for these people.

William

Ps Good work C- Side! I  had a great day in the archives when I was on holiday in Warkworth last year. Just wish I lived nearer to visit on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Thursday 19 January 17 22:31 GMT (UK)
The Rootschatter I asked to do a look uo (Take a bow C-side and thank you!) has come up trumps yet again.
Here are the marriage details

Christchurch, Tynemouth, 17th April 1871 by licence

Anthony William Wagner, Bachelor of full age, Sailor, of this parish.  Father George Wagner, Farmer
Elizabeth Jane Weatherhead, Spinster of full age, of this parish.  Father James Weatherhead, Sailor

Anthony signed, Elizabeth made her mark

Witnesses:  Ann (?) Peterson, Robert Pine

The really odd thing about this record is that the brides surname was badly written on all three occasions to the point where I would not have known it said Weatherhead unless I was primed to see it that way.  It did, in fact, look like Weatshead.  The rest of the writing was not like that??



Given that they were married by licence I then checked the licences via Family Search and the licence image can be seen/ downloaded here :

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jb9/

No new info but its a nice thing to have to add to your family records.



Boo

Thank you so much for this info Boo and C-side :)

So another piece to the puzzle, William Wagner was a sailor, I'm going to try to look up for info on the mariner's sites to see if I can find anything there as well...
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Thursday 19 January 17 22:34 GMT (UK)
Re the baptism record you found for Joseph Weatherhead in Berwick in 1791, I agree that it might be hard to prove that he is the Joseph you are looking for.

I note that there are actually two transcriptions for Joseph on Familysearch - one for Joseph Weatherhead and one for Joseph Weatherhead or Hope. Now the latter is often an indication of illegitimacy. Looking at the actual image in the Berwick Bt's (it is image 159) the entry says " Dec 13 Joseph son of John Weatherhead and Isabel Hope (Born 10th)".

The entry immediately above states Dec 11 Ann daughter of James and Ann Mills (born Nov 22nd)... and the one below Dec 18th Robert Nisbet Son of William and Margaret Weatherhead (born 4th).

Now while it does not come outright and say it I think I know the conclusion that I would arrive at from the above - just something to bear in mind if doing further searches for these people.

William

Ps Good work C- Side! I  had a great day in the archives when I was on holiday in Warkworth last year. Just wish I lived nearer to visit on a regular basis.

thank you for the info and I am going to look to see if I can find any other weatherheads in that area to see if I can find a match somewhere :)
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Monday 06 February 17 22:56 GMT (UK)
Hi Ladies and Gents,

I need help with finding James Weatherhead and Barbara Christie Ferguson Weatherhead's death certificate/date

James Weatherhead was born in 1857 in North Shields was baptized in tynemouth

Barbara was born in 1855 in North Shields was baptized in tynemouth

Last known record of Barbara is in a cencus in tynemouth in 1861

Last known record of James was in 1871 cencus at tynemouth workhouse,

Any help or direction would be much appreciated thanks again!
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: middlesbrough on Tuesday 07 February 17 01:18 GMT (UK)
Hi again,
Death for James from 10 nov 1903 Berwick Advertiser
At Berrington Lodge on the 2 nov. James Weatherhead, husband of Barbara Hardie and edest son of the late George Nevin Weatherhead, Tweedmouth, aged 42 years.
Death for Barbara
Berwick Advertiser 5 Aug 1921
At Hay Farm, Cornhill on Tweed, on 28 July Barbara Ellen Weatherhead, aged 54, widow of the later James Weatherhead, late of Doddington, Wooler.
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: middlesbrough on Tuesday 07 February 17 01:20 GMT (UK)
Oops sorry, wrong Barbara
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Tuesday 07 February 17 18:23 GMT (UK)
Hi Ladies and Gents,

I need help with finding James Weatherhead and Barbara Christie Ferguson Weatherhead's death certificate/date

James Weatherhead was born in 1857 in North Shields was baptized in tynemouth

Barbara was born in 1855 in North Shields was baptized in tynemouth

Last known record of Barbara is in a cencus in tynemouth in 1861

Last known record of James was in 1871 cencus at tynemouth workhouse,

Any help or direction would be much appreciated thanks again!

I should have added this info, I apologize... the James and Barbara death certificates I'm looking for are the children of James and Barbara Weatherhead Senior

Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Monday 13 February 17 10:04 GMT (UK)
Hi again,
Death for James from 10 nov 1903 Berwick Advertiser
At Berrington Lodge on the 2 nov. James Weatherhead, husband of Barbara Hardie and edest son of the late George Nevin Weatherhead, Tweedmouth, aged 42 years.
Death for Barbara
Berwick Advertiser 5 Aug 1921
At Hay Farm, Cornhill on Tweed, on 28 July Barbara Ellen Weatherhead, aged 54, widow of the later James Weatherhead, late of Doddington, Wooler.

Thank you Middlesbrough for your help...I added some info to my original post which I should have given previously...
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: River Tyne Lass on Monday 07 January 19 17:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Tamarakel,

I was looking at the memorial inscriptions book for Christ Church, Tynemouth earlier on today and came across this one for two Weatherheads.  I have no idea if these might be two of your ancestors but even if not they may be of relevance for to someone else.

Ref. 17  Page 67

'Sacred to the Memory of Robert Weatherhead, Baker, who departed this life, 4th, Jan, 1829, aged 56 yrs.
'This Good man's epitaph needs no lays
To sound his virtues or sing his praise
The sweet remembrance of the just
Will flourish when he's laid in dust.'
Elizabeth Weatherhead, wife of the above, who departed this life, August 6th 1844.'
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: tamarakel on Sunday 20 January 19 20:15 GMT (UK)
Interesting, thank you for getting this info to me, I really appreciate it! I will check my weatherhead line  :D


Hi Tamarakel,

I was looking at the memorial inscriptions book for Christ Church, Tynemouth earlier on today and came across this one for two Weatherheads.  I have no idea if these might be two of your ancestors but even if not they may be of relevance for to someone else.

Ref. 17  Page 67

'Sacred to the Memory of Robert Weatherhead, Baker, who departed this life, 4th, Jan, 1829, aged 56 yrs.
'This Good man's epitaph needs no lays
To sound his virtues or sing his praise
The sweet remembrance of the just
Will flourish when he's laid in dust.'
Elizabeth Weatherhead, wife of the above, who departed this life, August 6th 1844.'
Title: Re: Weatherhead family in Tynemouth
Post by: River Tyne Lass on Wednesday 27 February 19 12:08 GMT (UK)
Hi tamarakel,

I don't know if this night be of any relevance to your family tree but I have just come across a volume listing North Shields Master Mariners at North Shields library.

There are two Weatherheads listed:

Weatherhead, George
Port Year No: 33/1849
Ship: Wandering Shepherd

Weatherhead, William
Port Year No: 28/1848
Ship: Pioneer