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Good Morning,
I am trying to find my ancestor Reece BILSBOROUGH in the 1841 census. I have been able to place him from the 1851 till death, and I have found his baptism at St John's Preston with the Parents Thomas and Margaret.
Reece BILSBOROUGH - 1833 - 1918
Bricksetter/Bricklayer
In the 51 census he is living with James Ratcliffe in Walton-le-Dale as a Lodger aged 17 and working as a Cotton Weaver.
I have tried many surname and first name variations to no avail.
Any Help would be appreciated.
Michael
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Can you find his parents in 1841 or are they missing too?
Did he have any siblings born before 1841 we could look for
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On the OPC for the County of Lancashire Website it looks as though Reece's Parents had two more children after 1833, in 1835 (Jane) and 1837 (Margaret). All three children appear to have been living/born at different addresses.
Searching Thomas & Margaret Bilsborough in the 1841 census doesn't add up to any correct household or people together.
Reece's Marriage Certificate to Jane Mills in 1861 shows his father Thomas as deceased.
So somewhere between what I assume is right with 1837 daughter and 1861 I loose track and find Reece living as a lodger in 1851.
Gonna go to the Lancashire Records Office to see if I can fill in any blanks.
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Don't know if this is a red herring but there is a link to New York passenger lists 1820-1957 for a Reece Bilsborough.
Unfortunately I can't see which year this person travelled.
Are you aware of your Reece travelling later in life? I can't imagine too many people with that name.
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on Familysearch the records of Reece are
Reece Bilsborough
Reece Bilsborrow
Reece Belsborrow
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and just to let you know there was another Reece Bilsborough in Preston - he was born 1842 - yours was born 1833
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Name Reece Bilsborough
Event Type Death
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1918
Registration District Preston
County Lancashire
Event Place Preston, Lancashire, England
Age (available after 1866) 76
Birth Year (Estimated) 1842
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as per post by millipede
Ship was Batvia sailed from Liverpool arrived New York 20 April 1882.
Reece Bilsborough, age 48 bricklayer born England.
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That is him - good find Amondg
here is Reece a year earlier in 1881 census - a Bricklayer
Name Reece Billsbrough
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Farnworth, Lancashire, England
Registration District Bolton
Residence Note Bancroft Road
Gender Male
Age 47
Marital Status (Original) Married
Occupation Bricklayer
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1834
Birthplace Preston, Lancashire, England
and Millepede - great find ...
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Hello
Looks like he wasnt away for long ,he is still in Bolton 1891 and 1901.
Lee
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Hello
Could this be mother and siblings in1851 ?.
Bowram st Preston
Margaret Bilsborough widow b1802
Alice b1825
Elizabeth b1832
Thomas 1834
John 1839
Margaret 1843
She is at the same address in 1841 and head of household is Thomas Bilsborrow b1897 .
Still there in 1861 Bilborough
There were a few marriages between Thomas Bilsboroughs and Margarets in the time frame ,would be good to know if any definate siblings known.
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Known children are Reece 1833, Jane 1835 and Margaret 1837
as posted by mbilsbrough who started the topic.
The most likely marriage is Thomas Bilsboro, batchelor who married Margaret Price, spinster at St John Preston 4 June 1832. Witness William Heald and Mary Poulton.
There is another, ages not given but possibly beyond child bearing years, but no necessarily.
Thomas Bilborrow, widower, married Margaret Massey, widow 4 September 1830 also at St John Preston. Witness Frederick Flinn and Jane Flinn.
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garstonite - The Reece Bilsborough estimated year of birth is the very same person as the 1833.
He was admitted into Whittingham hospital in 1915 after a head injury and strange behaviour for two weeks. The address is the same as the 1911 census of 112 Church Road, Bolton (as per the Lancashire Archives.), but his age is recorded as 74 insted of 81. I think he may have died in there in 1918 and had his birth recorded as 1842.
Thank you Milliepede & amondg. That does appear to be the same Reece Bilsborough. He was a brick layer and the age matches up. I will have to look into that.
I'm not sure, hol, about his mother's maiden name and therefore can't guarantee which household he has likely come from. I'll have to track down his birth record, but as its pre 1937 and i'm new to this family history searching I'm not fully sure what records exist. I'm planning on heading to the records office soon to see if I can hunt any more details.
amondg I like the idea of that Thomas and Margaret wedding. There is a Mary Proctor that is buried alongside Reece, his wife Jane and what I assume so far is their youngest daughter Alice in the Tonge Cemetery in Bolton, who is a new curiosity.
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Hello
Could this be mother and siblings in1851 ?.
Bowram st Preston
Margaret Bilsborough widow b1802
Alice b1825
Elizabeth b1832
Thomas 1834
John 1839
Margaret 1843
She is at the same address in 1841 and head of household is Thomas Bilsborrow b1897 .
Still there in 1861 Bilborough
There were a few marriages between Thomas Bilsboroughs and Margarets in the time frame ,would be good to know if any definate siblings known.
Frustratingly neither John or Margaret's birth registrations have mmn attached in the new GRO search
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From Lancashire BMD:
1839 John Billsborough, MMN Mercer
1839 John MMN Waddington
1842 Margaret MMN Marsden
1842 Margaret MMN Waddington
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1841 census - Reece would be 18 and an apprentice Bricklayer - he could have been in Scotland or Ireland working ??....seems logical he could have been away working ... :)
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Ref Findmypast newspaper collection
17 July 1912 Preston Herald (headline) Two men injured at Preston
..... vehicle skidded near Strand Road mounted the footpath and knocked down Reece Bilsborough of Church Road Bolton, who was looking at the display bills in front of the newsagents. Dr. Garner who was .......
I don't have a subscription at the moment so I can't see the entire article. Then again you may already have this.
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Hello
He would have been 8 in 1841 and wasn't actually an apprentice bricklayer in 51.
Not much more concerning newspaper report .He suffered shock and bruising and was driven home to 112 church road bolton by Mr Moss who had ran him over.splendid chap.
Lee
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0/10 for my maths ...lol wasn't fully awake - apologies ::)
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Hello
Might be onto something here,Reece parents address at birth is lord Street
Lanc opc shows burial 7th June 1844 for Thomas Bilsborough age 55 abode 196 North road Preston.
Might be coincidence ,wish i could address search on 41 census
Lee
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Lancs BMD again:
1838 Billsborrow, Margaret MMN Price, Preston
1838 Bilsborough, Margaret MMN Price, Little Bolton
1840 Bilsborrow Margaret MMN Wells Garstang
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Margaret Bilsborough born in Bolton buried 5 weeks later unfortunately,her father was a Thomas though which makes it interesting.
Lee
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She also had a twin called Mary. Young Margaret was buried aged 5 weeks on 5th December, 1838 at St Peters, Bolton.
It would appear that mother Margaret was buried on the 2nd January, 1839 at St. Peters, wife of Thomas.
Mo
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Baptisms St. John, Preston:
1833 Reece Bilsborough, child of Thomas & Margaret, occupation bricksetter
Dec. 1837 Margaret Bilsborough, child of Thomas & Margaret, abode Tithebarn St., occupation bricksetter.
Were there 2 babies called Margaret Bilsborough/ Billsborrow with mother's surname Price registered in 1838, 1 in Preston and 1 in Bolton?
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Its been puzzling me for a day or more about the two with mmn Price. I suspect the one in Preston died in the March Qtr 1838 registered Preston (Margaret Billsborrow), so not so unusual for the other Margaret to be born in the same year to the same parents.
Mo
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To answer my own question:
Margaret Billsborrow birth reg. Preston March 1838
Margaret Bilsborough birth reg. Bolton Dec. 1838
(Free BMD)
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A Mary Bilsborough infant buried 8th January 1838 abode Tithe Barn st .
A Mary billsborough aged 2 daughter of Thomas in Bolton buried 17 november 1838.
Lee
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So, if we are assuming that Reece's mother was the Margaret who died Dec. 1838/ Jan 1839 when Reece was a little lad:
Father may have re-married.
Reece may have been in an orphanage or workhouse. There was an orphanage operated by nuns in Preston. I don't know when it opened.
Reece may have been boarded out to a family who may or may not have been related to him. Incorrect names may have been given on 1841 census.
He may have been sent to live with Welsh relatives, assuming they existed. ( Why was he called Reece?)
His name may have been incorrectly recorded /transcribed as Richard or Robert, or something else. Even more likely if he wasn't living with parents. Reece would have been an unfamiliar 1st name in Lancashire.
Did he have any other names?
2nd & 3rd of above happened to a young niece & nephew of my 2xGGM after both their parents died young. That 2xGGM also died in childbirth. Some of her children lived with relatives; incorrect ages & versions of names were recorded /transcribed. ( I located her daughter, my GGMA, as a young woman, only last month.) A son of 2xGGM was registered at birth with a different forename to that he was baptised with. The registered name was not common. His military records were under various combinations.
Did the couple Reece lodged with in 1851 have any other connection with him? Where were they in 1841?
What happened to Reece's father after his wife died?
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Hello
The Ratcliffe family that he was lodging with in 51 are not connected through any marriage combinations that i can find in 41 they were in penwortham .
I have just found a marriage in preston for the only other reece i can find wouldn't you know it..
Reece PRICE to a Charlotte Jones 1835 St Johns ...father a brick layer
Could be Margarets relation. Now to find him on census (typical he's in jail.)
Lee
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St. John, Preston:
Baptism Sep 1835 William Price, child of Leece (sic) Price & Charlotte, abode St. John St., occ. bricksetter.
Burial William Price, age 3, abode Bishopgate
Burial John Price, age 64, Tithebarn St. (relative of Margaret ? )
Burial Aug. 1840 Thomas Price, age 3, abode Bridge St.
Also other Prices.
1841 census:
There were other Prices in Preston who were bricksetters .
3 Prices (George, Edward James & Rosie) were in Lancaster Castle (prisoners?).
There was a Charlotte Price in Bolton with Crirh (?) or Curtis (?), age 4, + others.
1st name "Rice", "Race" occurs, possibly as mis-spellings of Reece/ Rees/ Rhys.
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Reece Price was sentenced to transportation for a second offence in Dec. 1841. He died in Tasmania 18th March, 1845.
Mo
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I'm having great difficulty finding Reece Bilsborough in the 1841 census.
I have him in every census from 1851 to 1911. I have found his baptism in 1833 and his death in 1918.
I simply cannot find him or who I think may be his family in 1841.
Born in Preston to Thomas & Margaret Bilsborough, Baptised at St Johns, living at Lord St, but possibly moved to Whittakers Row (1835)(? Can't find this road) and Tithebarn St (1837). Married to Jane Mills in 1861 (Bilsborrow as name and Late Father.) Address Lawson St.
Found grave in Bolton. Wrong date of birth on death cert, but correct address.
Travelled to America in 1882 on the Batavia. Knocked down in Preston in 1912 by a car and driven home to Bolton. Admitted to Whittingham Asylum in 1915 where I assume he died as the date of birth on his record is the wrong one.
Children are Margaret (1861), Ann (1864), Thomas (1866), Joseph (1868) and Alice (1873).
Siblings are I presume Jane (1835) and Margaret(1837).
I'm trying to follow my family name and until I can find and prove who his parents are and where they lived I'm a little stuck. I am assuming that Thomas Bilsborough married Margaret Price, but that is only because they were married the year before Reece was born in 1832 at St Johns, but I could be wrong as there is another marriage at the same church in 1830.
Can anyone help find these missing people and links? Or give some advice on where to look next. I'm planning on heading to the Records Office this Saturday, but I've no clue where to look.
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previous post:
topics now merged
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as the date of birth on his record is the wrong one.
As he was born before Civil Registration - where did you get his actual birthdate from? Both Lancs OPC & Family Search shows his baptismal date as 7.6.1833 but no birthdate
ps - have asked moderator to merge posts to prevent duplication
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Thanks Carole.
The birth is an assumption based on the baptism date and each of the census from 1851 onwards. They all have the right age untill he is admitted into Whittingham.
The address in 1911 is 112 Church Rd, Bolton and I have seen his Whittingham record which also states 112 Church Rd, Bolton.