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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: jcap7452 on Wednesday 11 January 17 22:41 GMT (UK)
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Hi! I am total beginner and I would LOVE help finding more information about where my ancestors came from. My father recently passed away and while going through his stuff I have learned a lot about him and I guess it makes me feel closer to him by researching his side of the family. I miss him so much and this helps keep me busy.
The furthest my research has led me to is John Cappell - b. June 13, 1849 Canada (Eng), he migrated to the U.S. at some point and died July 20, 1900 in Bay City, Michigan. His wife - Eliza Jane Cappell (born Smith) (although I haven't been able to find any record of their marriage) - b. October 14, 1861 Canada (Eng), she also migrated to the U.S. at some point and died May 18, 1925 in Bay City, Michigan.
On John's death certificate it says that his fathers name was Elisha Cappell from Ireland.
On a 1900 census record it says that John's father is from England and his mother is from Ireland and the census record also says that John was born in 1839 but on his death certificate it says 1849.
I would like to find out where exactly John and Eliza were born, but what I would REALLY like to know is where John's parents were from, where they are buried and what their names were.
I have John Cappell's death certificate, I also have Eliza Jane Cappell's death certificate and the 1900 Bay City Michigan Census record (tried to attach them but file size was too large).
Any help would be so appreciated!
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Related post to save any duplication of effort:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=762809.msg6143179
Annie
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Please look up John Cappell born June 13, 1849 (or 1839) in Canada (Eng) for his parents names.
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Hi
Please look up John Cappell born June 13, 1849 (or 1839) in Canada (Eng) for his parents names.
Was John born in Canada or England?
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I think Canada
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John & Eliza Jane are in the 1880 US census of Michigan with first born son William. John age 27, Eliza age 19. They are also in the 1894 Michigan State census, John age 45, Eliza age 32. Not much sign of Cappells in Canadian records.
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Please look up John Cappell born June 13, 1849 (or 1839) in Canada (Eng) for his parents names.
The 1880 entry found above shows both John & Eliza were born in Canada. John's 1880 age does not support an 1849 birthyear although the 1894 entry does.
Can you tell us how John Cappell fits into your fathers FH?
Family Search shows a son Edward born 1884 and a daughter Ethel M born 1893 in Michigan
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The 1871 Canadian census available on Family Search has this entry
John Cappell 22 Birthplace Q Nationality Scotch Event Place 03, South Dumfries a, North Brant 16, Ontario
Page Number 45
House Number 159
Affiliate Film Number C-9915
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John Cappell (6/13/1849 - 7/20/1900) born in Canada and Eliza Jane Cappell (nee Smith) (10/14/1861 - 5/18/1925) born in Canada had 5 kids all born in Michigan;
1) William Henry (6/3/1880 - 12/1949)
2) John Thomas (6/28/1881 - 3/33/1949) <--my great grandfather - my dads grandfather
3) Edward Gilbert (2/25/1884 - 9/15/1958)
4) Mary Ethel (7/13/1893 - 6/1/1894) died 10 months old
5) Emerick Foster (4/29/1898 - 9/30/1959)
#2 - John Thomas had 5 kids; 4 girls and 1 boy - John Gilbert Cappell, Sr. (6/12/1931 - 10/21/1996)
John Gilbert Cappell, Sr. had 3 kids; 2 girls and 1 boy - John Gilbert Cappell, Jr. (4/19/1954 - 8/13/2016) my father
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Hi and thanks for that info
From the info you originally gave re: birthyear may be 1839 or 1849 I suspect you have already seen the 1900 US census entry - is that correct? He is 61 in 1900
If so - you will know that it shows his father was born in England and his mother in Ireland. It also shows he had been married for 32yrs (ie) 1868 yet Eliza was only born around 1861 and first child wasn't born until 1880!!
He says he immigrated to the US in 1846.and had spent 54yrs there
If he was born 1849 in Canada - he could not have immigrated to the US in 1846 could he? That casts doubt on the info he has given.
Was he born in 1839 but lied about his age because Eliza was a lot younger than him??
The only consistent info is that he was born in Canada so it is there you will need to concentrate on finding his birth details and name of his mother
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Thank you so much CaroleW!!!! I was thinking the same thing, but I don't know how and where to search Canadian records - any advice?
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I haven't a clue but I'm sure somebody with more knowledge than I have will read this post and point you in the right direction.
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I found John in an 1871 cencus for John cappell, they are living in Ontario Canada at the time. :)
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I also found him in the 1851 cencus and the 1861 cencus...here is the earliest info..
John Capel
Canada Census, 1851
Name John Capel
Gender Male
Age 38
Birth Year (Estimated) 1813
Birthplace Osnabruch, Canada West
Province Canada West (Ontario)
District Dundas County
District Number 5
Sub-District Winchester
Sub-District Number 38
Page Number 7
Affiliate Film Number C_11717
I believe it should say Osnabruck Canada West...
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I also found him in the 1851 cencus and the 1861 cencus...here is the earliest info..
John Capel
Canada Census, 1851
Name John Capel
Gender Male
Age 38
Birth Year (Estimated) 1813
Birthplace Osnabruch, Canada West
Province Canada West (Ontario)
District Dundas County
District Number 5
Sub-District Winchester
Sub-District Number 38
Page Number 7
Affiliate Film Number C_11717
I believe it should say Osnabruck Canada West...
We are allowed to transcribe records but not copy and paste -
Thought John Cappell was born 13 June 1849 ???
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In Ontario, civil registration dates from July 1, 1869. The Archives of Ontario holds records of births from 1869 to 1914, marriages from 1869 to 1929, and deaths from 1869 to 1939.
Usually check the parish registers for the Churches in the areas where their families lived/worked - although this you are not sure of. Check with local genealogy groups in the area you are researching to determine if they have transcribed and published any of the parish registers you are searching for - once again you are not sure of this. The surname you are searching could be mis-transcribed and have other variations - have you tried looking for those ?
Don't forget the information given on census and other documents was only as good as the informant.
Sandra
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Sandra,
If you read the other posts above there are major discrepancies in his birth date from one document to another...the info that I've found does match his wife's name and his children...
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His father's name on the Michigan death certificate is Elisha (Transcribed as Elidia) Cappell born Ireland. ? The 1900 US census has loads of errors as pointed out by Carolew in reply 9
Sandra
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Sandra,
Do you know where I could find a list of parish registers in Canada? Ontario? If I could get a list of the parish registers I was thinking I could check each parish register for where every John Cappell is listed to have been in Canada.
Do you know where I could find a list of local genealogy groups in Canada? or do I just google?
How would I find out if the surname I am searching for is mis-transcribed or has other variations? I have just been using myheritage to do searches and search similar names. Cappell was my maiden name.
Yea, I try to think about what if someone came around asking me questions about my husband and his parents and how much I would know especially if he came from another country, so I can see why some information is often inaccurate.
I appreciate everyones help!!!! I have been stuck trying to find more information for a while now and I am trying not to lose hope :/
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Wow - that would be thousands.
List of Genealogical Societies.
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/genealogy/Pages/links-related-research.aspx
Church Records
https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Ontario_Church_Records
Roman Catholic Church records.
https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Ontario,_Roman_Catholic_Church_Records_(FamilySearch_Historical_Records)
It would depend on the literacy of the person who was writing a document whether they could spell, or whether an accent could be misunderstood as to whether a surname was spelt correctly - could be Capell/Capel/Caple or something totally different ::)
Sandra
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Have you located an obituary for John Cappell who passed away Bay County Michigan 20 July 1900 and buried Elm Lawn Cemetery ?
There is an RAOGK volunteer for Bay who will do look ups of obits - 12 th person on this list - try an e-mail to them and see if they can find anything which might give a clue to where he came from etc.,
Worth a try, give as much info as you can.
https://www.raogk.org/lookups/region/michigan/
Sandra
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Sandra,
I have not located an obituary for John Cappell, however I did get a copy of his burial index card from Elm Lawn Cemetery. On the card it states the following:
John Cappell
Date of burial: July 26, 1900
(it lists the section, lot #, grave #, mortician, Plat #, Burial Order #, and type vault)
Remarks: born in Canada
D.O.B.: 6/13/1849 (51 yrs.)
D.O.D.: 7/20/1900
Thank you for the information regarding RAOGK volunteer for the Bay area - I sent her an email and will post any new information when I receive it.
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Always worth a try - Nothing ventured nothing gained ;)
Sandra
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It says I have to pay to be a member of Ontario Genealogical Society - any free Canadian societies I can join?
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Do you realise how big Canada is ?
http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/namerica/camaps.htm
https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Canada_Genealogy
The Canadian federation consists of ten provinces and three territories. The current provinces and territories are....................
Alberta | British Columbia | Manitoba | New Brunswick | Newfoundland and Labrador | Northwest Territories | Nova Scotia | Nunavut | Ontario | Prince Edward Island | Québec | Saskatchewan | Yukon.
You are looking for a Church record of a baptism for John Cappell, you have no idea which province he may have been born in, if the ages given are correct or even if the information on the US Census records was correct. Unfortunately, it is like looking for a needle in a haystack. There is no comprehensive lists of Churches. There are numerous genealogy societies in every Province but mostly subscription. Use google or try reading through some of these sites.
Census Records in Canada to Search By Province.
http://www.censusfinder.com/canada-census-records.htm
Canadian Genealogy Forums.
http://www.genealogy.com/search/result?type=forums&cj=1&keyword=canada&netid=cj&o_xid=0001231185&o_lid=0001231185&o_sch=Affiliate+External
Library and Archives Canada
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/Pages/home.aspx#mnu-1
How to locate your ancestor in Canada.
https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/How_to_Locate_Your_Ancestor_in_Canada
10 free Canadian genealogy Sites
http://familyhistorydaily.com/free-genealogy-resources/10-free-canadian-genealogy-websites/
Family Search Historical Record Collections for Canada.
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?page=1®ion=CANADA
http://www.cyndislist.com/canada/provinces/qc/bmd/
Quebec
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/genealogy/places/Pages/quebec.aspx
Quebec Genealogical Records
http://forebears.io/canada/quebec
Michigan Online Genealogy Records
https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Michigan_Online_Genealogy_Records
http://seekingmichigan.org/
http://www.michigan.gov/libraryofmichigan/0,2351,7-160-50206_54518_18635---,00.html
Sandra
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As I noted back in reply # 5 there is little trace of Cappells in Canada. I undertook a rigorous search of Ancestry, FamilySearch and other sources searching for all surnames beginning with the letters Cap, and other than the 1871 census entry reported by others found nothing useful. There was an Asa Cappel reported in the 1842 Quebec census with a family composed of 2 males and 2 females, but could not be found in following censuses or in the Drouin collection. Tried searches of the given names Eli, Elisha & Elijah again with no luck. As a last ditch effort I would suggest you go to this site
https://rootsireland.ie/ifhf/subscribe.php
where for a modest fee you can spend a day searching for Elisha Cappell in Irish records.
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I see on 1871 Canadian Census a John Cappell age 22 Brant N,South Dumfries I do not see him on any previous census or anything after 1871. Looks like he might left Canada after 1871.
I did find him on the Bay City Directory for 1886-1887 and 1890-1891 he is a labour.
I will be out for a while but get back to you with some more links for you to try in Michigan .
Lilybell
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I see on 1871 Canadian Census a John Cappell age 22 Brant N,South Dumfries I do not see him on any previous census or anything after 1871. Looks like he might left Canada after 1871.
Lilybell
John Cappell was found in reply 7 -
Could not see John Cappell or Elisa/Eliza in Michigan before 1879 - have searched with a variety of spellings for the surnames in both Canada and the USA.
No sign of Elisha Cappell in Canada at all. Investigated an Elisha Chapple/Chappell born United States in York County but could not find a John with them. :'(
The John Capel mentioned by tamarakel in replies 12/13 could be discounted he appears in 1851//71/81 with parents and siblings - in 1871 gives birth as United States - 1881 transcribed as Harry J H Capel born Ontario.
John Capel was born 1838 England - living St Louis Quebec - parents stated to be born England
He has been found on the 1880 and 1900 census in Bay Michigan but I will post the links here for new readers.
1880 Bay City, Bay, Michigan.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW95-6M9
Can be found in numerous City Directory entries 1881 - 1900
Births of children on family search -
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jan/
Plus a birth for Ethel M Cappell 13 July 1893 to John Cappell and Eliza J Cappell - presume little Ethel may have passed away before 1900
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DZNH-SN?mode=g&i=1216&cc=1459684
1894 Michigan census
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHK9-YP3
1900 Bay City, (east side) Ward 1, Bay, Michigan.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M91J-89T
Did find an Eliza Ann Smith born 1862 Brockville Ontario with a father John Smith (middle name does not agree) - and she also appeared on the 1880 census of Canada - so one to discount.
Death cert - Elisa Jane Cappell we know passed away 18 May 1925 Bay City Bay Michigan
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KF4R-RWX
Death Certificate - 20 July 1900 - John Cappell
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A bit of information to take note of on the 1900 Michigan Census it notes John immigrated to the United States in 1846 and Eliza immigrated in 1879 to the United States.
Another site to check out https://www.genealogyinc.com/michigan/bay-county
Lilybell
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Could be many errors on the 1900 US census as per reply Carolew comments in reply 9 - lots of age differences in the documents as well.
Sandra
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After searching through a lot of Canadian census records on Library and Archives I did run across a John Smith with a daughter Liza Jane on the 1861 census.
Liza was 8 years old on that census which would make her born 1853, or someone made a mistake. ???.
Census place Renfrew, Renfrew(Village)
Lilybell
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After searching through a lot of Canadian census records on Library and Archives I did run across a John Smith with a daughter Liza Jane on the 1861 census.
Liza was 8 years old on that census which would make her born 185, or someone made a mistake. ???.
Census place Renfrew, Renfrew(Village)
Lilybell
That could be the Eliza Jane Smith born 1851 who married Orange Wright - 1 November 1871 Renfrew - (parents - John Smith and Mother Martha Elizbth Gemmell Smith.
They have family and stay in Renfrew Ontario.
Sandra
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Just a thought.
When I first looked at this thread I saw CHappell. I know of Chappells in Wiltshire. And of course the famous cricket family here in Oz. Though doesn't seem to be much in Ireland.
Also think of Caple, Capel as per the above census. Good luck. :)
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Just a thought.
When I first looked at this thread I saw CHappell. I know of Chappells in Wiltshire. And of course the famous cricket family here in Oz. Though doesn't seem to be much in Ireland.
Also think of Caple, Capel as per the above census. Good luck. :)
Surname variations were mentioned in replies 15 and 19 and the extensive searches using them have produced no results so far. There were more entries for the spelling Capel and Caple than Cappell
Interestingly, surname Cappell is a long-established name is of Anglo-Saxon origin, and is a locational surname deriving from any one of the places called Capel in Kent and Suffolk (England), or from the place called Caple, in Hertfordshire England. Cappell surname arrived in England in a 11 th century wave of migration set off by the Norman Conquest of 1066. The Capell family lived in Hertfordshire - the name refers to family's former residence in La Chapelle Normandy
All these links related to the same article -
http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Cappell
http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Capel (there were more entries
http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Caple
Did you notice in reply 27 that an Elisha Chapple/Chappell born United States in York County turned up in Canadian Census but unfortunately no John with the family ??? No further possibilities under that surname.
Sandra
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Thank you so much everyone for your help!!!! Words cannot describe how happy it has made me to learn about my family's history! I feel that we are getting closer to finding out where John Cappell came from and who his parents or siblings were.
MaryK from Bay City sent me an article with some clues regarding Eliza's family!The article is from June 8, 1909 and says the following:
"A pathetic incident was witnessed Monday afternoon at the home of Mr.s Eliza J. Cappell 1514 Woodside avenue, when her pretty little 3-year-old granddaughter was virtually torn away from her care and custody. The grandparent was greatly attached to the child and the parting was one which could not fall to touch the tender spots in the make-up of those who were present at the time.
The child was delivered into the hands of Mrs. Albert G. Smith, of Detroit, who was entitled to the custody from the fact that she was the mother of the little one, and from the further fact that she had with her a decree from the Wayne county circuit court giving her the authority to take possession of her daughter at any time she saw fit.
It appears that last summer Mrs. Smith was granted a divorce from her husband, Wm. Cappell, the latter being a son of Mrs. Eliza Cappell, of this city. At the time the decree was made, Mrs. Wm. Cappell had no place to provide for her daughter, it is said, and permitted her to be brought to Bay City. A month later she married a man named Smith, who is a brother of Mrs. Cappell, of this city, and an uncle of Mrs. Smith's first husband."
So, I did a research of William Cappell (Wm Cappell) for a marriage and found that in 1903 he was married to an Ellen M. Mickles.
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22Wm%20H.%22%20%2Bsurname%3ACappell%20%2Bmarriage_place%3A%22Detroit%2C%20Michigan%22%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1903-1903~
Citing this Record:
"Michigan Marriages, 1868-1925," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N36S-85H : 4 December 2014), Wm H Cappell and Ellen M Mickles, 05 Nov 1903; citing Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, v 4 p 700 rn 41127, Department of Vital Records, Lansing; FHL microfilm 2,342,666.
In the article stated in this post it says that William and Ellen divorced last summer and a month later she married Albert G. Smith - Eliza's brother. I researched all over Michigan for a 1908 marriage of Ellen Mickles and Albert Smith and found nothing. Then, I decided to try Canada and that's where I found their marriage record!
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AAlbert%20%2Bsurname%3ASmith%20%2Bmarriage_place%3ACanada%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1908-1908~
Event: Marriage - October 14, 1908 - Windsor, Essex, Ontario, Canada
Groom: Albert Smith - Occupation: Farmer Age: 34 Birth year estimated: 1874
Usual Residence: Lucknow, Canada Father's name: Thomas Smith (deceased)
Mother's name: Mary J Beason
Bride: Ellen Mickles Age: 24 Birth year estimated: 1884
Usual Residence: Detroit
Citing this Record:
"Ontario Marriages, 1869-1927," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KSZX-G28 : 10 April 2015), Albert Smith and Ellen Mickles, 14 Oct 1908; citing registration , Windsor, Essex, Ontario, Canada, Archives of Ontario, Toronto; FHL microfilm 1,871,866.
I haven't yet been able to find anything that has Albert and Eliza as siblings.
I did find an article from The Evening Times: Bay City, Mich. 11/9/1905 stating the following:
"Mrs. Jane Smith, of Lucknow, Ont., arrived in the city Monday to visit with her daughter, Mrs. Elvin Cappell of Woodside.
Mrs. Elvin Cappell, of Woodside avenue, who has been very ill the past four weeks, is rapidly recovering."
This must be them! On Albert's marriage record to Ellen, he lists his usual residence as Lucknow, Ontario. In 1900 and 1910 Bay City Census Eliza lives at 1514 Woodside Avenue. In 1880 the Cappells lived at 1114 Woodside avenue. The must have misspelled her name as Elvin.
In the Bay City Times 12/15/1916 it states the following:
"Mrs. Thomas Smith of Lucknow, Ont., is seriously ill at the home of her daughter, Mrs. E. J. Cappell, 1514 Woodside avenue."
Eliza's parents names must be Thomas and Mary Jane Smith! Which means that whoever was the informant for Eliza's death (I think it was her son William) gave an incorrect name for her father. So, the same thing could have happened with John Cappell, his fathers name might not be Elisha. Maybe John named his first born son, William, after his father!?!?
How can I find out who owned 1114 Woodside Ave, Bay City, MI in 1880? The home is no longer there, but maybe John's parents helped him buy it or another relative that might give a clue to other relatives.
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This is a terrific result from the RAOGK volunteer in Michigan. Probably need to re-read thru what you have written again to fully digest but it was very, very positive.
Sandra
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This looks like Ellen nee Mickles and Albert Smith on the 1910 census Fifth Street Detroit Ward 6, Wayne, Michigan.
Albert G Smith 36 Born canada. Imm 1898. PA. Buttermaker @ Creamery.
Ellen M Smith 26
Pearl M Smith 4
Helen A Smith 3 months.
Mary J Clarkson 20
1920 Townsend Detroit Ward 17, Wayne, Michigan.
Albert G Smith 48 Born Canada. Imm 1889. Yard Foreman. Exp[ress Co. Father born England and Mother born Canada. NA.
Ella Smith 35 Born Michigan. Father born Canada and Mother born USA.
Pearl Smith 13
Helen A Smith 9
Edwyna Smith 5
Sandra
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Could this be the Smith family ??? The age of Albert Smith would be out slightly ::) Food for thought anyway.
1871 Bruce South Ontario
Thomas Smith 44 Born England. Farmer.
M Jane Smith 33 Born Ontario.
Mary Ann Smith 17
Wm Wilson Smith 11
E Jane Smith 9
Thos Edward Smith 7
Samuel Smith 4
Albert Smith 2
1891 Huron Ontario
Thomas Smith 65 Born England.
Mary I Smith 43 Born Ontario.
Susan Smith 31 Born Ontario.
William Smith 29 Born Ontario.
Thomas Smith 26 Born Ontario.
Samuel Smith 22 Born Ontario.
Sandra
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1881 Bruce Ontario
Thomas Smith 54 Mary Jane Smith 42
William W. Smith 22 Susan Smith 24
Thomas E. Smith 16 Samuel Smith 14
Albert Smith 10
1901 Bruce Ontario
Thomas Smith 74 Born England 7 April 1826. Imm 1840.
Mary J Smith 64 Born Ontario 18 July 1838.
Thomas E Smith 36 Born Ontario 14 April 1864.
Samuel Smith 34 Born Ontario 16 July 1866.
Sandra
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The son of thomas and Mary - Thomas Edward Smith born 1863 passed away 5 December 1934 - Bruce Ontario. Father Thomas Smith and Mother transcribed as Mary Jone Beaton. ;) Informant Mrs E J Smith Lucklow. Burial Green Hill Lucklow.
Headstone Inscription.
Thomas Edward Smith -
Greenhill Cemetery
Lucknow Line , Lucknow, Ashfield Township (Concession 13, Part Lot 12)
Huron County, Ontario
http://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/1602337
Sandra
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Marriage of Thomas Edward Smith born 1868 Huron Twp Bruce County to Maud Pearl Steels aged 24 years - 25 June 1913 Huron Ontario.
Parents transcribed as Thomas Smith and Mother Mary Jane Beacom Smith.
Sandra
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Prior to the marriage - 1911 Census Bruce Ontario
Thas E Smith 37 Farmer. Single.
Mary Jane Smith 72 July 1838.
Maud Sterle 22 Domestic.
Sandra
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Believe this is Eliza nee Smith Cappell's father - Thomas Smith - 1826 - 1903
http://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/1602277
Greenhill Cemetery
Lucknow Line , Lucknow, Ashfield Township (Concession 13, Part Lot 12)
Huron County, Ontario.
Find A Grave
Thomas Smith of Yorkshire England.
Burial: Greenhill Cemetery Lucknow Bruce County Ontario, Canada
Plot: 275
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=115581525&ref=acom
Sandra
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Mary Jane Smith - passed away aged 86 years - 4 October 1920 - fathers name recorded as Brason but is Beason ???
Name of informant Thomas Smith of Lucklow. Burial Green Hill Cemetery.
Sandra
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Hope the obituary expert Run Kitty will come along and find some obituaries for Thomas Smith (15 May 1903) and Mary Jane nee Beason Smith (4 October 1920) - Lucknow Bruce Ontario.
Or if not perhaps you could e-mail the nearest libraries and see if they can find anything.
Sandra
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Hi,
Not sure I have access to any papers from Bruce County. I will have a look.
You could try here
http://www.brucemuseum.ca/collections-research/archives-and-research/genealogy/
RK
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Found some papers from Huron Co online, but didn't see obits for your Smiths.
Canadian County Atlas for Huron Co has A Beaton Sr. and A Beaton Jr in Lucknow, Ashfield, Huron.
https://digital.library.mcgill.ca/Countyatlas/showrecord.php?PersonID=76616
RK
By the way - impressive sleuthing from Mary, the RAOGK volunteer in Michigan :) :)
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Marriage of William Wilson Smith to Catherine Amelia Blair... Bruce 7 April 1898. Parents Thomas Smith, farmer and Mary Jane Benson (looks like Benson to me, but transcribed as Burson) ???. Witness Thomas Edward Smith.
RK
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Well done "Super-duper Sandra" for finding your Smiths... :) :).
Here they are in 1861
Thomas 32, England; Mary Jane 23, UC (Upper Canada - means Ontario), Mary A 8, UC; William 3, UC; Eliza J 1, UC.
In Township of Huron, Bruce County.
RK
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Wonder if this is Mary Ann Smith marrying Robert James McColl in Kincardine in 1875??
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-Y39R-M58?mode=g&cc=1784216
If so, looks like she is in Bruce in 1881, 1891 and 1901 with husband and children, then the family moves to Rainy River. The family is there in 1911. She died in Rainy River in 1924.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-69R9-VCX?mode=g&i=410&cc=1307826
RK
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Thanks for taking a look for those obits RK - very much appreciated.
Cheers
Sandra
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Hopefully the local archives or library will be able to help with the obituaries. :)
Earlier, I posted a link to the Bruce Museum site. Looks like they will do research for a fee. That site has a "links" option in the right hand pane... there are links to both the Huron and Bruce libraries there.
RK
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Thank you so much everyone for your help!!!! This is so great!
I feel that I am at a road block with John Cappell....I don't know where else to look :/
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Any advice on furthering my research of John Cappell? Hope everyone is having a great weekend! <3
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John Cappell obit says the following:
The Saginaw Evening News, July 21, 1900
"The funeral of John Cappell, of 1514 Woodside avenue, will be held from his late home uner the auspices of the Modern Woodmen Sunday afternoon. He succumed to a lingering illness yesterday, aged 51 years, and is survived by a widow and four children."
The Saginaw Evening News, July 23, 1900
"The funeral of John Cappell, of 1514 Woodside avenue, was held from his late home yesterday afternoon, under the auspices of camp 1490, Modern Woodmen. Rev. Mr. McGee preached an eloquent funeral sermon at the Woodside M. E. church. The simple funeral rites of the order condcluded the exercises in the vault at Elm Lawn cemetery. An immense funeral cortege and beautiful and numerous floral offerings attested the esteem of the departed pioneer."
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Rather unfortunate that neither mention any other siblings or parents names for John. :'( Have you asked the RAOGK volunteer if there could have been a Michigan marriage 1878-1880 ? Try the link RK gave to ask about a marriage in Canada in 1878 - 1880
Ontario Birth / Marriage / Death Indexes and Registrations for Bruce County on microfilm: 1869 – 1914 (births), 1858 – 1929 (marriages) and 1869 – 1939 (deaths)
Newspaper indexes – mainly births / marriages / deaths from Wiarton, Chesley, Paisley, Lucknow and Port Elgin
http://www.brucemuseum.ca/collections-research/archives-and-research/genealogy/
Sandra
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Going back to the 1871 Census South Dumfries Brant North - it isn't very conclusive that the country of birth is Quebec -
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Looking at John & Eliza's oldest son William's census records after he left home, i.e., after 1900, I noticed that he starts referring to his fathers birthplace as being NY and his mothers as Canada. The 1850 census of Campbell County Kentucky has the following CAPPELL family:
Elisha 44 farmer born NY
looks like Maneverey but might be Minerva 30 born NY
John 14 born NY
Adison 12 born NY
William 10 born NY
Wallace 8 born NY
Mariah 3 born KY
George 1 month born KY
The 1860 census of Campbell County KY has
Elisha COPPLE age 46 labourer born NY
Adison COPPLE age 23 born NY
no sign of the other 6 members of this family.
The John in this family has the right name for father but is older than ages found in following records. Did he start lying about his age when he met Eliza Jane Smith who was about 25 years younger than this John?
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manawakian I noticed this record also and was not sure.
Funny that we are not able to find a marriage for John and Eliza in Bay City also checked for Saginaw, Midland and Arenac. Wonder if we have been searching in the wrong state.
This Cappell family has been a bit of a puzzle.
Lilybell
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Searched those records earlier - not convinced that this is the correct John - tried following John Cappell born 1836 New York from the 1850 census District 2, Campbell, Kentucky - which led me to John E. Casselle alternate info John E Capelle born 1836 New York - married and living in Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts 1880 married to Anastatia. His parents born France ::)
John E. Casselle 44 Norn New York. Cook. Anastatia Casselle 45 Born Ireland.
John E. Casselle 17 Born England. Thos. H. Casselle 8 Born MA
A death of Elisha Cappell in U.S. Federal Census Mortality Schedules, 1850-1885 - This Elisha
Cappell born 1806 Tennessee - aged 73 years died Batavia, Clermont, Ohio - August 1879. Formerly a farm labourer. Chronic Diarrhea. If the disease was not contracted at place of death, state where - that was KY.
Elisha Capell Alexandria, Campbell, Kentucky 1870
Elisha Capell 70 Born NY Sarah Capell 29 Born KY
Eliza Capell 5 Born KY Emery Capell 3 Born KY.
John Caster 9 Born KY
1880 Pierce, Clermont, Ohio - John still appearing with the same family.
Sarah Cappell 40 Born kentucky.
John Cappell 19 Born Kentucky.
Emery Cappell 13 Born kentucky.
Sarah - is Sarah Moore Caster.
On the death certificate for Emory Burr Cappel born 4 May 1867 Kentucky passed away 30 November 1947 -Eaton, Delaware, Indiana - mother listed as Sarah Moore. Father Unknown.
Listed on FIND A GRAVE -
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=171990786&ref=acom
Sandra
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Sandra - I am waiting to hear back from the RAOGK volunteer regarding if there could have been a Michigan marriage in 1878-1880.
What if John Cappell's dads name wasn't even Elisha??? Eliza's dads name was listed as John Smith and we found his name to be Thomas Smith! (I haven't been able to find out if Thomas Smith's middle name may have been John)
In John Cappell's obit it also says, "An immense funeral cortege and beautiful numerous floral offerings attested the esteem of the departed pioneer." - It sounds like he was well liked and perhaps well known...I don't understand why we can't find him anywhere prior to 1880!!! ???
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Hello jcap
I did notice from John's obituary that he appeared to belong to a Fraternal benefit society Modern Woodmen , Camp 1490 Modern Woodmen . I did see a listing in the Polk Directory under Bay City
Societies 1893-1894.
I could not find out anything else on this Society wonder if the Bay City Genealogical people would have anything.
Lilybell
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Lilybell,
I sent an email asking them to check if they can find anything regarding the Modern Woodsmen Camp 1490.
Thank you ;D
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I just did some research on Modern Woodmen and it was a mutual life insurance company. I know their emblem is on the Cappell marker in Elm Lawn cemetery.
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Elisha Capell Alexandria, Campbell, Kentucky 1870
Elisha Capell 70 Born NY Sarah Capell 29 Born KY
Eliza Capell 5 Born KY Emery Capell 3 Born KY.
John Caster 9 Born KY
Sarah Moore married John Caster 14 Nov 1857 Campbell County KY
Sarah Caster married Elisha Cappel Jul 1865 Campbell County KY
Like father, like son, Elisha 40 years older than Sarah, John 25 years older than Eliza?
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Elisha Capell Alexandria, Campbell, Kentucky 1870
Elisha Capell 70 Born NY Sarah Capell 29 Born KY
Eliza Capell 5 Born KY Emery Capell 3 Born KY.
John Caster 9 Born KY
Sarah Moore married John Caster 14 Nov 1857 Campbell County KY
Sarah Caster married Elisha Cappel Jul 1865 Campbell County KY
Like father, like son, Elisha 40 years older than Sarah, John 25 years older than Eliza?
manawakian I thought Sandra was able to discount the above with the following info
Searched those records earlier - not convinced that this is the correct John - tried following John Cappell born 1836 New York from the 1850 census District 2, Campbell, Kentucky - which led me to John E. Casselle alternate info John E Capelle born 1836 New York - married and living in Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts 1880 married to Anastatia. His parents born France ::)
John E. Casselle 44 Norn New York. Cook. Anastatia Casselle 45 Born Ireland.
John E. Casselle 17 Born England. Thos. H. Casselle 8 Born MA
A death of Elisha Cappell in U.S. Federal Census Mortality Schedules, 1850-1885 - This Elisha
Cappell born 1806 Tennessee - aged 73 years died Batavia, Clermont, Ohio - August 1879. Formerly a farm labourer. Chronic Diarrhea. If the disease was not contracted at place of death, state where - that was KY.
Elisha Capell Alexandria, Campbell, Kentucky 1870
Elisha Capell 70 Born NY Sarah Capell 29 Born KY
Eliza Capell 5 Born KY Emery Capell 3 Born KY.
John Caster 9 Born KY
1880 Pierce, Clermont, Ohio - John still appearing with the same family.
Sarah Cappell 40 Born kentucky.
John Cappell 19 Born Kentucky.
Emery Cappell 13 Born kentucky.
Sarah - is Sarah Moore Caster.
On the death certificate for Emory Burr Cappel born 4 May 1867 Kentucky passed away 30 November 1947 -Eaton, Delaware, Indiana - mother listed as Sarah Moore. Father Unknown.
Listed on FIND A GRAVE -
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=171990786&ref=acom
Sandra
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Death of Eliza Cappell found here
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-677H-Y6?mode=g&i=3218&cc=1307272
Note parents and informant half-brother John Caster
The 1879 death of Elisha Cappell in Clermont County Ohio found by Sandra is very likely the right Elisha since Campbell County Kentucky is a neighboring county across the Ohio River.
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Did you mean to say Elisha rather than Eliza? ???
Lilybell
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Death of Eliza Cappell found here
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-677H-Y6?mode=g&i=3218&cc=1307272
Note parents and informant half-brother John Caster
The 1879 death of Elisha Cappell in Clermont County Ohio found by Sandra is very likely the right Elisha since Campbell County Kentucky is a neighboring county across the Ohio River.
manawakian I don't understand how my John Cappell fits in any of this...please explain your theory
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I have certainly been wrong before but manawakian's discovery doesn't look to be the right family.
I had wondered if John and Eliza had been married in Canada especially as her family was living there.
I had a ancestor who was living in US and went home to Canada to be married many years ago.
They also could have possibly been married at a neighbouring county in Michigan.
Many things seem to be throwing us off the trail for John Cappell.
Lilybell
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Lilybell I agree - Eliza's brother, Albert, came to Michigan from Canada and then went with Eliza's sons ex wife (from Detroit, Michigan) to get married in Canada in 1908 and then they came back to Michigan. Perhaps because Albert only had his first papers. In the 1910 census Albert states "Pa" (meaning first papers) under Naturalized or Alien and immigrated in 1898, however, in the 1920 census Albert states that he was Naturalized in 1893 and immigrated in 1889 - he may have just mixed his dates up.
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John Cappell's death cert says his father was Elisha Cappell, uncommon given & surnames, so probably accurate. The Elisha Cappell found in Kentucky is the only one found with a son John so far. A tenuous connection to be sure, but not entirely eliminated from further consideration.
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manawakian it just doesnt make sense why John Cappell would say that he was born in Canada and his father in England and mother in Ireland if they were from Kentucky...seems way off to me. Also, like I mentioned in my previous response - the informant could have been wrong about John's fathers name, just like the informant for Eliza's death was wrong about her fathers name.
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Today, I spoke with my grandfather's cousin's wife (John Cappell's son - Emerick Foster's son - Thomas Emerick's wife), she is 80 years old and she said that she thinks that John Cappell may have been from Quebec. She said Emerick Foster and his wife Jane took a trip to Quebec. We weren't able to talk long because she is sick.
I need help further researching the John Cappell that was found in the 1871 Canadian census (Familysearch) -
John Cappell 22 Birthplace Q
Nationality Scotch Event Place 03, South Dumfries a, North Brant 16, Ontario
Page # 45 House # 159 Affiliate Film# C-9915
Any guidance would be great! Thanks in advance
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Any Canadians out there that can help guide me to the right places to search for John Cappell born in Canada (Eng) June 13, 1849?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Any newspapers or online sites? I don't want to subscribe to a million sites that have the same information, but if someone knows of a site that they think would be helpful, I am willing to give it a try.
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Civil registration for births began in Ontario from July 1, 1869.The Archives of Ontario holds records of births from 1869 to 1914, marriages from 1869 to 1929, and deaths from 1869 to 1939.
Prior to this check the parish registers for the Churches in the areas where their families lived/worked - although this will be difficult because you have no idea where ??? Same problem with newspapers - where would you start looking ???
Historical Canadian Newspapers Online: Ontario (other choices available)
http://libguides.bgsu.edu/c.php?g=227443&p=1507146
Sandra
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Sandra what do you recommend I do? I don't know how to go about locating him prior to 1880.
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I think you might have hit a brick wall, but if you want help from people that know about the availibilty of records in the province of Quebec you should go here
http://www.qfhs.ca/cpage.php?pt=3
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Can someone please do a Canadian obituary look up for Mary Jane Smith (nee Beaton or Beason) born 7/18/1838 died in Lucknow, Bruce, Canada on 10/4/1920 and for her husband Thomas Smith born 4/7/1826 died in Lucknow, Bruce, Canada on 5/15/1903 - both are buried in Greenhill Cemetery in Lucknow, Bruce, Canada
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When you contacted the Lucknow library were they able to help you?
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I live in the United States. I haven't contacted Lucknow Library, do you know an email address for Lucknow Library? Is that who I should contact to do obituary look ups?
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Try this Bruce County Museum and Cultural Centre
www.brucemuseum.ca/collections-research/archives.../genealogy
Fill out the Bruce County Research Request Form .
There is a $30.00 Canadian fee for the search if they do not find what you are looking for your money will be refunded.
It looks like they have newspapers on microfilm so fingers crossed they have them for the dates you need.
Cheers
Lilybell
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Thank you so much! I submitted a research request, I'll post their findings once I get it.
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Your most welcome
Lilybell :) :) :).
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Bruce County Museum and Cultural Centre were not able to find anything on Thomas Smith :-\ and for Mary Jane it wasn't much - the obit is as follows:
"A very old resident of Paramount, Mrs. Thomas Smith, was called away by death at two o'clock on Monday morning, in her 8??? year. She was tenderly nursed by her daughter, Mrs. Kappell. The relatives have the sympathy of a host of friends."
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Any advice on how to find record of marriage for Thomas Smith and Mary Jane Beaton? I think they would have been married around 1851 - 1855 near Bruce, Ontario, Canada
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Civil registration for marriages in Ontario started1 July 1869 - prior to that you would probably need to search Church records. The Archives of Ontario holds records of some incomplete marriage registers prior to 1869 - County marriage registers (1858 - 1869) were kept from January 1, 1858 until official government or civil registration began in Ontario July 1, 1869
The marriage records reported from 1858-1869 will tend to give place of residence, place of
origin, names of parents of both Bride and Groom, ages of Bride and Groom & names of
witnesses. Caution: always be sure to check the surrounding counties in the event that a
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2568642
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~canqbogs/pdf_files/Pre1869VitalRecs.pdf
Sandra
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Sandra, always be sure to check the surrounding counties in the event that what happens?
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Always be sure to check the surrounding counties in the event that a
marriage was performed by a travelling minister who regularly crossed county boundaries................
Sandra
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So, I went back to researching John Cappell and I went through all of the census records that his wife and children were on and in 1910 Bay City, Michigan Census, not too far from them was the following family:
P. Henry Cappell - head - born: 1874 MI Parents: Canada
Daisy M or N - wife - born: 1875 Ireland Parents: Ireland
John - son - born: 1895 MI
Patrick - son - born: 1898 MI
Sarah N - daughter - born: 1901 MI
Grant L - son - born: 1903 MI
I have tried to research these people to try to find a connection with my John Cappell, since this is the first Cappell neighbor off there's that I found, but I have not been able to locate any of them besides on this 1910 census. The image quality of this 1910 census record is better on familysearch than on ancestry - on ancestry I wasn't 100% sure that their last name said Cappell, but when I saw the record on familysearch, I could see that it 100% says that their last name is Cappell! I've tried searching each for each of them with no luck, any suggestions? Or maybe another set of eyes might find something I missed. Thanks in advanced for any help!
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Two years later and still searching for John Cappell ::)
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PLEASE HELP!!!! I have searched all of ancestry, my heritage, family search, genealogy bank, wikitree and more! I have been stuck on John Cappell for almost 3 years now. I don't know how to find him before 1877. I don't know how to find any parents, aunts, uncles, cousins or siblings. I haven't been able to locate his marriage certificate or immigration record. I feel I have tried every variation of searches I can think of. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!!!!
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John CAPPELL - born June 13 1849. English Canada ?
Info per Death Registration of John -states father was Elisha CAPPELL - born Ireland.
MARRIED: Eliza / Elizabeth Jane SMITH born October 13 1861. English Canada.
CHILDREN: of John aprox age 31 - Eliza/Elizabeth -aprox age 19.
All children born in USA.
William Henry CAPPELL June 3 1880 -BAy City Michigan dcd.1949 .
John Thomas CAPPELL 1881 -1949. m. 1925.Ila Roseveira SCOTT
Edward Gilbert CAPPELL 1884 - 1957. m. 1913. Lillian REAM 1913.
Mary Ethel CAPPELL 1893 - 1894.
Emerick Foster CAPPELL 1898 - 1959. m. Jane LAMONT.
BORDER CROSSING - Canada to USA - for John CAPPELL - Family of Eliza SMITH. - NO RECORD OF BORDER CROSSING FOUND.
CITIZENSHIP - John CAPPELL - NOT FOUND
Since Children were born in Michigan - starting in 1880 - Search Michigan Vital Records 1878 -1880 for marriage. of John and Eliza. - MARRIAGE RECORD NOT FOUND
DEATH: Registration of Death - John -died July 20, 1900 in Bay City, Michigan.
DEATH: Registration of Death - Eliza/Elizabeth May 18, 1925 in Bay City, Michigan.
John Cappell
Birth 13 Jun 1849 Death 20 Jul 1900 (aged 51)
Burial Elm Lawn Cemetery
Bay City, Bay County, Michigan, USA
CHILDREN:
William Henry CAPPELL 1880 -1949 . John Thomas CAPPELL 1881 -1949.
Edward Gilbert CAPPELL 1884 - 1957. Mary Ethel CAPPELL 1893 - 1894.
Emerick Foster CAPPELL 1898 - 1959.
Elizabeth Jane “Eliza”( SMITH) CAPPELL born : Bruce county Ontario Canada
Birth 14 Oct 1861 Death 18 May 1925 (aged 63)
Burial Elm Lawn Cemetery
Bay City, Bay County, Michigan, USA
Parents: Thomas SMITH -1826 -1903 Mary Jane (BEATON) SMITH 1838–1920
Siblings: Mary Ann Smith 1856-1924. Susan Smith 1857-?. William Wilson SMITH 1858–1933. Thomas Edward Smith 1862–1934. Samuel Smith 1866-1938. Albert George Smith 1870-1945
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Border Crossing on ancestry cover 1895 - 1960 - even those are not a comprehensive list because there were many places to cross the border. Sadly, there would not be that information available earlier than those dates.
Sandra