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Title: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Saturday 14 January 17 00:37 GMT (UK)
Looking for
Austin Purcell
Austin married in 1922
In Blackpool Lancashire
Advertised  as a French
Polisher requiring work
In (Kelly's Directory) in 1927.
I have been to the Blackpool
Historic (Library) and nothing
After 1927 is on file.
He was born in1890
Halifax Yorkshire.

Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 14 January 17 01:40 GMT (UK)
Hi I have been looking for you, would I be correct his full name was Austin Michael Purcell, he married a Nellie Fielding, they had one female child in 1923 who appears to marry in Blackpool in 1952, have you traced the wife/daughter?
Keyboard86

EDIT no the daughter born 22nd June 1923 married a Mcdonald, and her death was May 1984 in Blackpool & Fylde
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 14 January 17 01:48 GMT (UK)
Hi again, a Nellie Purcell married a Harry B Waterhouse March qtr 1933 Fylde 8e 911, Nellie born 3rd October 1900 died January 1984 Blackpool & Fylde aged 83

Keyboard86
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Saturday 14 January 17 02:18 GMT (UK)
Hi again, a Nellie Purcell married a Harry B Waterhouse March qtr 1933 Fylde 8e 911, Nellie born 3rd October 1900 died January 1984 Blackpool & Fylde aged 83
Thank you
For helping.
I am looking for Austin
Michael Purcell only.
He was last documented in
1927.In Blackpool.
He could have died,but I can
Not find any record of his death.
Or any other trace.



Keyboard86
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 14 January 17 02:42 GMT (UK)
Hi again, I was only enquiring if he had a middle name ( Might help in any search) his wife remarried in 1933 and the fact they had a daughter in 1923, so they could be discounted in any Passenger Lists departing the UK?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Saturday 14 January 17 11:14 GMT (UK)
Hi again, I was only enquiring if he had a middle name ( Might help in any search) his wife remarried in 1933 and the fact they had a daughter in 1923, so they could be
discounted in any Passenger Lists departing the UK?
Keyboard86
RE :
Austin Plurcell
Just Fissappered from Blackpool after his
Advert. A French Polisher
Advertising his trade in 1927.
He must have passed away
By know.
He was born in 1890
In Halifax Yorkshire.England
In 1927..
Kind of you to help
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Saturday 14 January 17 13:56 GMT (UK)
Hi
My topic has been moved to another board by spades
What does this mean
And who is spades
Thanks
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Saturday 14 January 17 14:37 GMT (UK)
Hi
My topic has been moved to another board by spades
What does this mean
And who is spades
Thanks
Hello
Austin Purcell
Born 1890
Military Number (2649)
Served with the
Duke of Wellington
1/5 Th in (1915)
Thank you
For anybody's help.
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Saturday 14 January 17 16:27 GMT (UK)
It will have been moved to the board where it is most likely to get the best response. Usually this is done by a moderator. The moving is helpful, and can put your request in front of a larger number of potential helpers.
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Saturday 14 January 17 16:48 GMT (UK)
Austin appears in the 1891 and 1901 censuses in Halifax, the youngest of a fair number of children of Patrick Purcell, born in Ireland, and his wife Mary Ann. In 1911 he's still with his parents, and is listed as a French Polisher, living in Old Road, Birkinshaw, still in the West Riding of Yorkshire.
Is any of this of the slightest help?
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: heatherjulie on Saturday 14 January 17 17:14 GMT (UK)
I have been looking for Austin all week but can't find a death for him. :)
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Saturday 14 January 17 17:30 GMT (UK)
It will have been moved to the board where it is most likely to get the best response. Usually this is done by a moderator. The moving is helpful, and can put your request in front of a larger number of potential helpers.
Brilliant
Thank you Threfallyorky
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: heatherjulie on Saturday 14 January 17 20:30 GMT (UK)
Have you looked for him on the 1939 Register?
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Sunday 15 January 17 15:18 GMT (UK)
Have you looked for him on the 1939 Register?
Hiya
That's a thing
National Identity cards.
They was issued at that time
Thank you heatherjulie
Just before the war.
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: willyam on Monday 16 January 17 22:34 GMT (UK)
If, as seems likely, the Nellie Purcell who (re)married in 1933 to Harry Waterhouse was Austin's wife - do you have a copy of that marriage record to validate Nellie's given marital status - i.e. does she there declare herself to be widowed?

If nothing else this would confirm that Austin had died by then and would save you from (possibly) fruitlessly searching the 1939 Register (wherein, of course, a Nellie Waterhouse can be readily found). Additionally the 1933 marriage record will tell where Nellie was living at the time.

Regarding Austin's probable demise at a relatively early age, could this have been associated with a combination of his exposure to french polishing materials from a young age and his kidney problems during his WW1 service?

Willyam
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Tuesday 17 January 17 01:49 GMT (UK)
If, as seems likely, the Nellie Purcell who (re)married in 1933 to Harry Waterhouse was Austin's wife - do you have a copy of that marriage record to validate Nellie's given marital status - i.e. does she there declare herself to be widowed?

If nothing else this would confirm that Austin had died by then and would save you from (possibly) fruitlessly searching the 1939 Register (wherein, of course, a Nellie Waterhouse can be readily found). Additionally the 1933 marriage record will tell where Nellie was living at the time.

Regarding Austin's probable demise at a relatively early age, could this have been associated with a combination of his exposure to french polishing materials from a young age and his kidney problems during his WW1 service?

Willyam
Hello Willyam
Thank you for your interest
1) Austin Purcell
No record of his death
Has been found.
2)His wife could not find
Him ,he just disappeared.
Possible he was declared
Dead ,after a certain time,and the body was
Never found.
The wife could then remarry.
3)Or he could have left
England and died.
You did mention his
Army Record .I have read
Could you please tell me

Where the information is
On his condition.
Thank you


Title: Ww2Preston munitions factory
Post by: Scribble1952 on Saturday 04 February 17 15:53 GMT (UK)
Help please
Is there a list of munitions
Workers who worked in
These factory's during WW2.
I am looking for workers
From Preston.

Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Saturday 04 February 17 20:18 GMT (UK)
Thankyou
everyone for your interest.
I am still looking for any
Information on Austin
Purcell Born 1891.
Halifax Yorkshire.
After the 1927 advert in
Kelly's Trade Directory
In Blackpool Lancashire.
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 04 February 17 20:29 GMT (UK)
Thankyou
everyone for your interest.
I am still looking for any
Information on Austin
Purcell Born 1891.
Halifax Yorkshire.
After the 1927 advert in
Kelly's Trade Directory
In Blackpool Lancashire.
I can assure you that many people have been looking for any information regarding Austin, you still however have not answered my question is his full name Austin Michael Purcell who married a Nellie Fielding and had one female child in 1923?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Saturday 04 February 17 20:52 GMT (UK)
Duh to me sorry.
Yes his middle name is
Michael.
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Saturday 04 February 17 20:57 GMT (UK)
Duke of Wellington
Regiment
West Riding
Military Regiment 2649
Year
1915
Military Service
Age 25yrs
Austin Michael Purcell
Could he have RE:enlisted???
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 04 February 17 21:21 GMT (UK)
There is a full medical history on the 1st World War Pension Claim, of Austin ( No Michael ) Purcell, it confirms he was discharged as physically unfit 21st November 1917 and was intending to return to an address in Bradford, Bottoms, Berkenshaw, nr Bradford, it also confirms his father was a Patrick.
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Saturday 04 February 17 21:47 GMT (UK)
Thanks keyboard.



Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Saturday 04 February 17 21:50 GMT (UK)
I haven't seen the record
Can you give me more
Information.
And yes
Fathers name is Patrick
Purcell born Ireland.
Mothers
Mary Ann.
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 04 February 17 21:53 GMT (UK)
Hi it is on FindMyPast, there are quite a few pages to view mostly regarding his medical history?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Saturday 04 February 17 22:46 GMT (UK)
Thankyou
I will go to the local
Libary and view.

Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: heatherjulie on Saturday 04 February 17 23:53 GMT (UK)
The pension records give 4 different service numbers
776325
4133
161402
2649
The records say that Austin was a wheel wright in Civil life ???
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Sunday 05 February 17 00:01 GMT (UK)
Patrick Purcell
His father is a wheelwright.

Austin Purcell the
Son is a French polisher
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: heatherjulie on Sunday 05 February 17 00:07 GMT (UK)
Austin stated that he worked for Farnell and sons in Brightington? near Leeds as a Wheel wright for 3 years before enlisting.
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Sunday 05 February 17 00:12 GMT (UK)
Thankyou
For the information.
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: andrewalston on Sunday 05 February 17 10:52 GMT (UK)
It seems likely that Austin changed trades after the war because either his previous occupation was too strenuous, or just because there was less work for a wheelwright as motor transport took over from horses.
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Sunday 12 February 17 22:42 GMT (UK)
12/02/2017
I am still looking for
Austin Purcell
Born Halifax Yorkshire
1890.
Any information please
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 12 February 17 22:57 GMT (UK)
Hi

If you look at the top of your post you will see it has been viewed by over 400 people.  If any of them was able to help with info - it would have been posted so there is no need to refresh your post. 

Quote
If, as seems likely, the Nellie Purcell who (re)married in 1933 to Harry Waterhouse was Austin's wife - do you have a copy of that marriage record to validate Nellie's given marital status - i.e. does she there declare herself to be widowed?

Can you reply to this please?

If he just "disappeared" and given his father was Irish - have you looked at Irish deaths?

Does the daughters 1952 marriage cert show him as deceased?
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Monday 13 February 17 00:56 GMT (UK)
Hello
Thanks for your
Interest .
I do know on nellies second
Marriage Certificate
To H.B.Waterhouse
1933
States nellie is a spinster .
I have looked high and low
For death certificate  (none
Found) I spoke to a researcher about this and
Was informed she could have
Lied about her position.
I have also searched for a
Divorce Record but once again none found.


Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Monday 13 February 17 02:39 GMT (UK)
RE: Marriage Certificate
To H.B Waterhouse
1933
States Nellie Purcell
Is a (Widow )
Not a (spinster )
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: heatherjulie on Monday 13 February 17 08:01 GMT (UK)
I sent you a message last week, you haven't replied.

Heather
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Monday 13 February 17 17:35 GMT (UK)
Hello
Heatherjulie
As yet I haven't been to
The local library.
I am so looking forward to
Going,  ;Das now I have a link
With Austin
Which you very kindly gave me .
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: heatherjulie on Monday 13 February 17 18:39 GMT (UK)
I have sent you a message asking for an email address.  You don't need to go to the library.
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Tuesday 14 February 17 00:08 GMT (UK)
I am sorry I don't give
My email to strangers.
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Saturday 25 February 17 17:21 GMT (UK)
RE :Austin Purcell
I came across
WWW.Warmemorialsonline.org.uk
 I Searched
Birkenshaw Bottoms
A entry came up as
Birkenshaw Bottoms
Methodist Church
Which has a War Memorial
In Honor of the men who
Served in the First World War
Austin Purcell has his name is listed
With other brave men from the
Village.
There is no photo on the site
Of the memorial(one can be
Placed) is there anyone who
Has a photo please
Thankyou to you all.
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: heatherjulie on Saturday 25 February 17 21:38 GMT (UK)
It is up for sale. You could contact the agents

https://propertylink.estatesgazette.com/property-details/5960145-birkenshaw-bottoms-methodist-church-moor-lane-bradford-bd11-2hh

Heather
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Saturday 25 February 17 21:44 GMT (UK)
Hello Heatherjulie
How are you today.
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: heatherjulie on Saturday 25 February 17 23:30 GMT (UK)
I am fine thanks :)
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Sunday 26 February 17 01:09 GMT (UK)
WWW.warmemorialsonline.
Org.uk
Reference :141827.
About the memorial situated
In Bottoms Lane on the outskirts of the village some 2miles from the centre of-
Cleckheaton and 1 and a quarter miles from the town of Batley.
Description-
A scroll type memorial in white, edged in a Floral
border and set in a wooden frame.
Inscription-
In grateful memory of the men of Birkenshaw Bottoms
Who served in the Great War
1914-1918.-
They shall not grow old as we
That are left to grow old
Age shall not weary them
Nor the years condem- at
The going down of the sun
And in the morning we will
Remember them.
Names-
Willie Peacock Austin Purcell
Bentley Rigg Noel Bagshaw
Ernest Caroll Herbert Newstead Willie Moore Tom
Lovell Ben Moore Fred Lovell
Harold D Sharpe C.H Beaumont Lenoard Powell
Herbert Parrott Alfred Clarkson Victor Parrott John
Sayers George Stanley Willie
Tempest Harold Williams
Harold D.Sharpe John Sayers
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell +War Memorial
Post by: Scribble1952 on Tuesday 28 February 17 18:40 GMT (UK)
Hello Heatherjulie
I phoned the estate agents
Who put me in touch with
The surveyor,
The guy is going to ask
The housekeeper because
The place has been empty
For some time and he
Himself has not seen the
War memorial.
I explained that the details
Are on WWW.warmemorialsonline.
Org.uk As they would also
Like any information on
War memorials photos
Conditions vandalism etc.
I was informed that it could
Have been moved by the
Owners
was it a
Donation?
Council property.? Etc.
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: heatherjulie on Tuesday 28 February 17 21:28 GMT (UK)
Birkenshaw Village Association has a facebook group so I have just sent them a message to see if anyone knows where the war memorial from Birkenshaw Bottoms is.
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Thursday 09 March 17 00:04 GMT (UK)
Hello Heatherjulie
I spoke to the estate agents
Today 8/03/2017
RE: War Memorial
I was informed the "Trustees"
Have the Memorial
And that the estate agent
Could not give me any information about the "Trustees"
But would give the "Trustees"
My number so they could
Phone me if they wished.
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Monday 27 March 17 10:59 BST (UK)
Date 27/3/2017 Monday
RE: War memorial at Brikenshaw Bottoms , I have not
Received any further information  on the memorial.
Or a photograph.
Just waiting.😁
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Monday 27 March 17 18:42 BST (UK)
Today 27/3/2017  on a Monday Time 18:33
I have  just been on wwwarmemorialsonlibe.co.uk.
There is no  photograph added to date.



And I still have no idea what has become of the  memorial. ::)
Any news would be appreciated.



Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Friday 28 April 17 10:24 BST (UK)
 ::)28/04/2017 Friday

Hello Heatherjulie
Still no news on the war memorial. ???

Looks like it's not going to resurface
Thankyou for your help😊
Title: Re: Blackpool A.Purcell
Post by: Scribble1952 on Friday 28 April 17 13:19 BST (UK)
WWW.warmemorialsonline.
Org.uk
Reference :141827.
About the memorial situated
In Bottoms Lane on the outskirts of the village some 2miles from the centre of-
Cleckheaton and 1 and a quarter miles from the town of Batley.
Description-
A scroll type memorial in white, edged in a Floral
border and set in a wooden frame.
Inscription-
In grateful memory of the men of Birkenshaw Bottoms
Who served in the Great War
1914-1918.-
They shall not grow old as we
That are left to grow old
Age shall not weary them
Nor the years condem- at
The going down of the sun
And in the morning we will
Remember them.
Names-
Willie Peacock Austin Purcell
Bentley Rigg Noel Bagshaw
Ernest Caroll Herbert Newstead Willie Moore Tom
Lovell Ben Moore Fred Lovell
Harold D Sharpe C.H Beaumont Lenoard Powell
Herbert Parrott Alfred Clarkson Victor Parrott John
Sayers George Stanley Willie
Tempest Harold Williams
Harold D.Sharpe John Sayers