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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: swinno on Monday 16 January 17 13:32 GMT (UK)
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Hello there,
For as long as I can remember now I have struggled to find the Parentage
of a Morris Swinnerton. This is my brick all.
Morris was born July 1727 Wrexham Abbot.
Married Margaret Price 28 July 1748 St Oswald's, Oswestry.
Morris Swinnerton who died in Sep 1781 at Sellatyn, Oswestry.
There was an inquest into his death at the Eagles, which I am told was a public
house.
thanks,
bswinno.
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Where did you find his year and place of birth from?
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Well I have searched my data bases and hard copies of which I did have, and cannot find.
So the place of birth I cannot prove.
As he lived and died at Sellatyn not far from Oswestry it could may well include
around that area.
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Have you looked at the marriage entry on F M P ? It does say they were both servants of Ed Jones of Maesbury Hall. There is some writing after it but not exactly sure what it says :
" ?? late of Fford in west?? Parish"
That is only a guess :-\
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Have you looked at the marriage entry on F M P ? It does say they were both servants of Ed Jones of Maesbury Hall. There is some writing after it but not exactly sure what it says :
" ?? late of Fford in west?? Parish"
That is only a guess :-\
it looks like '.....west acton parish'. Acton is a part of Wrexham. Not sure about Fford - ffordd means road in Welsh.
I don't see a baptism for him in my Wrexham parish records booklets*. As Liz says - source ?
* will do a double check.
Gadget
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Enlarged the note - think it now says West Felton Parish - not far from Oswestry.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SAL/WestFelton
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Maybe just using 1727 as a rough idea - he would be 21 by 1748 and an adult ? ?
EDIT: I initially thought 'Acton' but had never heard of it in reference to Wrexham.
West Felton looks good: my ancestors were baptised there - I should have recognised it :)
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Both from the same broad area then, Claire :)
I'll have another mosey around. The fact that info is specific maybe suggests a family bible.
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Here 'tis
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KC5K-8ZY
(Full details on FindMyPast)
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The actual document read:
ma. Morris Swinorton & Margaret price both servants with Ed. Jones att (sic) Moasbury (sic) Hall marr. the 28.
(That was all in one line)
Underneath in a second line was:
Late of fford (sic) in West Felton parish.
I have searched my Shropshire Directory and it lists;
The Fords, Fords Bank and Fords Farm all of Queen's Head, West Felton.
For Queen's Head, West Felton it gives 1 mile N. of West Felton
(3 3/4 miles SE of Oswestry).
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This was a grandson of Morris born 24 Aug 1821
Event Place Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
There was also another Morris a son of Morris
born Apr 1769 Sellatyn.
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This was a grandson of Morris born 24 Aug 1821
Event Place Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
There was also another Morris a son of Morris
born Apr 1769 Sellatyn.
I'm puzzled - are you sure that the Morris b. 1727 and married 1748 was the grandson of the Morris b. 1721.
Also, what are your sources for this info, please?
The records don't seem to match your info.
Selattyn is spelt Selattyn not Sellatyn - my Joneses came from there ;D
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SAL/Selattyn
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No Morris Swinnerton born 1727 had a son Morris born 1769 Selattyn died 1769.
Another Morris grandson born Wrexham 1807 died 1815.
There was one more Morris a grandson he was born 1821 Wrexham and died 1822.
But my interest is with the first Morris born 1727.
I will amend he Selattyn spelling.
Thanks,
bswinno
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Sorry, Swinno. I misread the dates. Blame it on painkillers and antibiotics :-[
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I'm not clear why you have him born Wrexham - what evidence do you have? I've searched through the whole of the Wrexham Baptisms for 1727 and no Swinnertons are listed and only 2 Morris - both Jones.
So I've been trawling through FS for Swinnertons born around the time you have for Morris and find 3 Swinnerton couples having children baptised in Oswestry ~
Edward and Blanche - Sarah 1725, Samuel 1728
Thomas and Jane - Mary 1728
Evan and Catherine - Elizabeth 1727
The first 2 might be possible parents for Morris. Also, I note that grandson Morris b. 1821 had father named Thomas.
Have you considered these ?
Gadget
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Yes Gadget I have looked at Thomas and Jane as likely parents but
cannot prove it.
That's unusual as all their other children have baptisms documented.