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Title: Old Stratford, Northamptonshire?
Post by: Bearcub on Tuesday 17 January 17 01:22 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I'm hoping that some locals may be able to help me with a bit of local geography?

I am looking for a baptism record for an Edward Brittin, who I believe to be born abt 1810. On the 1851 and 1861 census, his place of birth is given as Old Stratford, Northamptonshire.

I have searched parish records on Ancestry and the only possible I can find is a baptism in Stoney Stratford, Buckingham on 11 June 1810 (parents Jacob Brittin and Ann).

I ignored this originally, but getting desperate, I've been doing a bit of googling and it appears Old Stratford may have been part of Stoney Stratford in the past?
Could Buckinghamshire/ Northamptonshire have had different borders in 1810?

Grateful for any help.

Many thanks
Title: Re: Old Stratford, Northamptonshire?
Post by: Mvann on Tuesday 17 January 17 01:59 GMT (UK)
Hi bear cub

Yes the borders were different. Old Stratford was part of Northamptonshire. I think parts of Stony Stratford were also at one time.

Title: Re: Old Stratford, Northamptonshire?
Post by: PrawnCocktail on Tuesday 17 January 17 08:26 GMT (UK)
Old Stratford still is in Northants. The River Ouse forms the county boundary. Confusingly, it enjoys a Milton Keynes address and postcode!

But genealogically, people never took any notice of county boundaries, and Stony Stratford is the next door parish. And there is no suitable baptism anywhere in Northamptonshire. I think you have found your Edward in Stony, already!
Title: Re: Old Stratford, Northamptonshire?
Post by: Bearcub on Tuesday 17 January 17 09:10 GMT (UK)
Many thanks both,

I originally ignored that record because I didn't realise Bucks and Northants were so close! My geography needs some work.  ;) It was only because they both had Stratford in the name that made me think again..

I'm more reassured now.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Old Stratford, Northamptonshire?
Post by: behindthefrogs on Tuesday 17 January 17 16:40 GMT (UK)
What is significant is that Old Stratford was not a parish at that time.  It only became a parish in 1951. Prior to that it was part of the old parish of Passenham.  It was always regarded as a suburb of Stony Stratford and so a baptism there is very likely.
Title: Re: Old Stratford, Northamptonshire?
Post by: Bearcub on Tuesday 17 January 17 16:51 GMT (UK)
Thank you! It was on the 1851 and 1861 census that he had declared his place of birth as Old Stratford, Northamptonshire? At least that is what I believe it says. (The Ancestry transcriber has actually put Oldhampton, Northamptonshire, but I'm fairly sure it doesn't say that).

My only worry now is that my Edward moved to Clerkenwell, London (I have his marriage record and have found him on census' in 1851 and 1861), but whilst searching for his death record, I have found a couple of death records for Edward Brittin's back in Stony Stratford, Buckinghamshire. So, the one in the baptism record may have stayed and subsequently died there....?
Title: Re: Old Stratford, Northamptonshire?
Post by: smudwhisk on Tuesday 17 January 17 20:35 GMT (UK)
I've found people from Stony Stratford also using Cosgrove parish church.
Title: Re: Old Stratford, Northamptonshire?
Post by: Bearcub on Wednesday 18 January 17 10:21 GMT (UK)
Thank you - I tried there (there are some good on-line records), but no joy unfortunately.
Title: Re: Old Stratford, Northamptonshire?
Post by: sugarbakers on Wednesday 18 January 17 14:04 GMT (UK)
Might this be worth looking in to, if not already ...

Edward Brittin of Stony Stratford = Elizabeth Johnson otp spinster  1800 Feb 25 Courtenhall by licence
(Northants Marriage Index)

The licence may be at NRO.
Title: Re: Old Stratford, Northamptonshire?
Post by: Bearcub on Wednesday 18 January 17 18:05 GMT (UK)
Ah, now that's put a spanner in the works.....

That could well be a possible parents marriage.... May I ask where you found that record as I haven't found that in my on-line searches?

Many thanks
Title: Re: Old Stratford, Northamptonshire?
Post by: mgeneas on Wednesday 18 January 17 18:21 GMT (UK)
The 1800 marriage bond states that Edward Brittin is a saddler
Title: Re: Old Stratford, Northamptonshire?
Post by: sugarbakers on Wednesday 18 January 17 19:10 GMT (UK)
Edward Brittin of Stony Stratford = Elizabeth Johnson otp spinster  1800 Feb 25 Courtenhall by licence
(Northants Marriage Index)

Bearcub, I found this marriage on the Northamptonshire Marriage Index CD -  http://www.familyhistorynorthants.co.uk/marriages.html - and given the father's name and the spelling of the surname I thought it may be relevant. I have just now checked the original on An***y in the Courteenhall registers ... both signed the register with their names, and the witnesses were Hannah Johnson and Richard Longman.
Title: Re: Old Stratford, Northamptonshire?
Post by: Bearcub on Wednesday 18 January 17 21:15 GMT (UK)
Thanks again - very helpful.

Mgeneas - could I ask where you have found that the 1800 Edward was a saddler? That is very interesting as one of my later Edward's (born 1833) was also a Harness Maker / saddler.....

I'm getting a bit tied up in knots as I think I now have 4 generations of Edward Brittin's!
Title: Re: Old Stratford, Northamptonshire?
Post by: mgeneas on Wednesday 18 January 17 23:59 GMT (UK)
I happen to have copies of all 1800 (one year only) marriage bonds (that is the application for a marriage licence). On that his occupation is given.

The Edwards could be cousins etc,
Title: Re: Old Stratford, Northamptonshire?
Post by: Bearcub on Thursday 19 January 17 00:42 GMT (UK)
Thank you - that's really interesting.

I'm actually thinking that could be the marriage of the parents of my Edward born in 1810. (Grandfather of my Edward born 1833).

I guess if I went to the Northants Records Offices, they would have the bonds too?

Sorry for all the stupid questions; I've only just started dabbling in parish records and finding it all a bit confusing....
Title: Re: Old Stratford, Northamptonshire?
Post by: mgeneas on Thursday 19 January 17 19:06 GMT (UK)
The record office has a card index of the marriage bonds as well as the originals.
Title: Re: Old Stratford, Northamptonshire?
Post by: Bearcub on Thursday 19 January 17 19:29 GMT (UK)
Thank you. I think I'm going to have to plan a trip to the Norhants Records Office!