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this is an aunt born in about 1874 her parents are mathias Farley and mary ann mcgauley been differcult finding mum and dad in certain years but hay mary ann married a Christian Christianson and went on to have kids I cannot for the life of me find marriage births or deaths can anyone lend a hand
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Mathias Farley 28 b. Ireland. Gan Lab (Coal Hewer)
Mary Farley 30 b. Ireland
Mary A. Farley 7 b. Bootle, Lancashire
Bridget Farley 5
Julia Farley 2
Conor Farley 26
Peter Mc Gauley father in law 60
James Boylan 28
RG11 Piece 3684 Folio 140 Page 37, Kirkdale
Where did Mary A marry Christian Christianson?
JJ
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Possible death record-
Mathias Farley
Birth year 1853
Age 41
q1 1894, West Derby
Vol 8b Page 307
JJ
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1891 transcribed as Farrelly ??? -
Mathias Farrelly 39
Mary Farrelly wife 38
Mary A Farrelly dau 17
Bridget Farrelly dau 15
Julia Farrelly dau 12
Owen Farrelly brother 27 b. Ireland
Julia Farrelly sister 25 b. Ireland
Thomas Doolin boarder 31
Owen Thompson 34
Michael Mc Feer 22
Lawrence Duffy 19
Mary Duffy 17
Peter Mullen 33
Lawrence Mullen 7
Andrew Meganley 46
RG12 Piece 2972 Folio 41 Page 12, Bootle
JJ
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Looking at Bridget Farley's marriage cert to Edward Lightfoot in 1904 there is a witness name of Mary Jane Christiansen.
There is a marriage of a Christian Christiansen in 1902 but he married a Mary Francis Thompson (spinster). She seem to prefer the name Mary Jane on other records.
JJ
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I found that marriage but put it aside as her maiden name is Farley thanks for all the help from you all seem to be stuck with this sideod the family seems there spelling changed allthe time don't know marriage date or where married mcgaulys really stuckon them and mathias brick willfor some of them
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Post deleted incorrect info
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Looking at Bridget Farley's marriage cert to Edward Lightfoot in 1904 there is a witness name of Mary Jane Christiansen.
There is a marriage of a Christian Christiansen in 1902 but he married a Mary Francis Thompson (spinster). She seem to prefer the name Mary Jane on other records.
JJ
Can I just clarify this; are Mary Ann Farley and Mary Jane Christiansen the same person?
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Looking at Bridget Farley's marriage cert to Edward Lightfoot in 1904 there is a witness name of Mary Jane Christiansen.
There is a marriage of a Christian Christiansen in 1902 but he married a Mary Francis Thompson (spinster). She seem to prefer the name Mary Jane on other records.
JJ
Can I just clarify this; are Mary Ann Farley and Mary Jane Christiansen the same person?
Not convinced. ???
Mary Jane/Frances Christiansen was born c. 1878. Mary Ann Farley born c. 1874.
Need the op to clarify where they found the marriage of Mary A Farley to Christian Christiansen.
JJ
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Following on from previous message, I don't think they are the same person.
Could it have been assumed in the family that Mary ... Christiansen was Mary Ann when in fact she wasn't?
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It would be helpful to know where the line starts to ensure we are following the correct person.
Annie Webster - if you would like to post those details but do not include living persons then perhaps we can help you further.
JJ
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Just to point out, Julia Farley marries a Samuel Burgess - take a look at 1911!
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However am also coming to the conclusion Mary Francis/Jane is a different person - but related. The mother's maiden name of the Christiansen children is Thompson
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I think that is what we are working on Mabel. ;)
The witnesses at Bridget's marriage were Samuel Burgess and Mary Jane Christiansen.
That is why I wonder if somehow the two ladies have been mixed up in the family.
We called neighbours and distant relatives 'Aunty' when I was a child and am wondering if this is similar.
As JJ points out where does the information come from. ???
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I'm not the only one confused then
mary ann, bridget and Julia are sisters there parents has I have them are mathias Farley and mary ann mcgauley both born Ireland I know not were bridget married Edward lightfoot Julia married samuel burgess the confusing bit for me is mary ann /jane and her parents the records for the years 81 91 I found them no 1901 nor deaths for parents nomarrigae for mary jane exceptthat Thompson one
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mary ann/jane is my great grandmothers Julias elder sister
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You have Mary Ann, Bridget and Julia Farley.
You have Bridget and Julia both connected to Mary Jane Christiansen (Thompson).
Mary Frances Thompson married Christian Christiansen. Her father is given as William James Thompson.
Why do you think Mary Christiansen is Mary Ann Farley?
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Possible death record-
Mathias Farley
Birth year 1853
Age 41
q1 1894, West Derby
Vol 8b Page 307
JJ
There is a burial record for Mathias - Ford Cemetery and the address is Derby Road, the same as1891 census.
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see earlier post why I think mary ann is bridgets and julias sister due to the records for 81 91 mary anns father is mathias Farley the confusion is me thinking as Julia and mary ann are both at same address in 11 which is my grandmother Julia it may be my mistake this iswhy I have asked for a bit of help as it is confusing me I haven't found a marriage but was told she married a Christensen
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Hello,
I don't mean that, sorry.
I can see that Mary Ann is a sister to Bridget and Julia.
What I mean is that Mary Frances Thompson and /or Mary Jane Christiansen do not seem to be Mary Ann Farley from the evidence of the marriage to Christian Christiansen and the Christiansen children's births.
Heywood
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Just to add to the puzzle:
Marriages:
7th September 1901
Mary Frances Thompson 21 yrs and Bert Aliphet Davidson. Father William James Thompson deceased. Seaman
6th August 1902
Mary Frances Thompson 22 yrs and Christian Christiansen. Father William James Thompson deceased. Sailor
Heywood
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1901 3459/149/1
M Frances Thompson 21 yrs 2 Johnstone Street is with her mother Sarah Thompson.
1901 3409/106/40
25 Shadwell Street
Bridget Farley 23 yrs
Julia Farley 20 yrs
I can't see Sarah and Mary Frances in other censuses. Can anyone see them?
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now you know why I am confused this as had me puzzled for weeks so I may just have to lookagain through my tree
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I suppose it could be that for some reason both Mary and Mary Ann changed their names for 1901 census but this would also mean place of birth for Mary the mother and then the age for Mary Ann.
She then would also be giving the assumed name when her children were born.
If this was so, it would seem to be a very serious reason.
Mary, mother, becomes Mary Ann Farley in 1911 though. :-\
Have you found a death for Mary Christiansen?
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I haven't found a marriage but was told she married a Christensen
Hello Annie,
You say you were told that she married a Christiansen. Presumably the family had no connection with the Christiansen family later?
I have seen an interesting marriage:
1943 Mary F Christiansen marriage to Louis E Tinard.
Then a death
1956 Bootle Mary F Tinard.
Does any of this ring a bell?
Mary F Tinard is in 1939 index so they must have been together before they married.
There is a Sarah McBride (Christiansen) also in the same household.
Free BMD shows a birth Sarah Christiansen, 1919 with mother Thompson.
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A correction to previous post re 1939.
I just read a post by groom elsewhere on Rootschat re names in the register. Names were updated so Mary F would be Christiansen in 1939 and register updated later to read Tinard.
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1891 Johnstone st. Bootle
Sarah J Thompson widow b1852 charwoman
William son B 1877
Mary J Thompson b1880
Lily Thompson b1883
All children registered with mmn Baker Mary is mary J.
Lee
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Thanks Lee. That is interesting information and should help.
Perhaps Annie will come back one day to let us know any thoughts on the developments :)
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Sorry been a while but have to work were to begin firstly thank you all for your help and comments I think maybe somewhere someone has mixed these 2 lady up somehow with the mary sister of Julia and Bridget's with this lady mary Frances whom married mr Christensen is not my Mary at all think you may have. Cleared that bit up for me and given me some new sip pets of. Info to continue on with finding out by getting the records to know for certain the answers I will go over what I have again I think. It might just be my record keeping thank you all
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Annie - I know you've put this one to bed as far as your family search but, I've only just joined & seen this thread. I thought I'd just post that the Mary Frances Thompson & Christian Christiansen connection were 100% my g.grandparents ;D. Their youngest daughter Sarah was my Auntie Nerna (one of her siblings couldn't pronounce Sarah & 'Nerna' stuck for the rest of her life :) ) Mary did marry a family friend, Louis Tinard, some years after she sadly lost Christian.
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Hi everyone just a bit thank you to all
Mary ann farley and mary jane Thompson were friends and at some point both had you say lived in Johnstone street with relatives i spoke to the oldest person i could find in the family the person I got the information off got the it the wrong why round the Mary ann is mine not the Mary Jane think I also got clouded by the fact one of my friends at school was a christienson i hoped we could have been family as well has friends but never mind
Thanks once again for the help xxxxx