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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: dshoyt on Saturday 21 January 17 19:13 GMT (UK)
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Looking for ancestors of Samuel Logan Nicol b. 24 Feb 1879, Wishaw, Cambusnetthan, Lanarkshire, Scotland. I believe his father and mother are John Nicol b. 1851, Ireland and Agnes Logan b. 1852, Ireland but I have no confirmation on this. Samuel m. 1900 Annie McQuillan? b. 27 Feb 1881, Newarthill, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
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Hi and welcome to rootschat if you are looking to confirm the parents of Samuel Logan Nicol his marriage certificate should confirm details ...
Rosie
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This looks like your family here in the 1881 Census address 42,Sunnyside Row Cambusnethan Wishaw
John Nicol age 27 born Ireland coalminer
Agnes Logan Nicol age 27born Ireland
Annie 8 born Ireland Andrew 6. Born Cambusnethan Samuel 2 born Cambusnethan
Andrew Dickson boarder age 38
Rosie
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Death for Samuel Logan Nicol
Birth date 24/2/1879
Died 29/10/1959 age 80
Johnstown Cambria Pennsylvania
Father John Nicol
Mother Agnes Logan
Spouse Anna Nicol
Rosie
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1891 Census address Craigneuk 1 Milehall Square Dalziel Lanarkshire
John Nicol 40 coal miner Agnes 39
Annie 18,Andrew 16, Samuel 12, Thomas 8,Isabella 6 both been born Dalziel
1901 address Hamilton Road Park head Rows Bellshill
John Nicol age 49 coal miner Annie 26 housekeeper
Andrew 24 coalminer ,Thomas 18 coalminer Isabella 16 domestic
Rosie
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You could try www.Scotlandpeople.gov for a death for Agnes Nicol and that will give you her parents names ...A possible death for Agnes Nicol other surname Logan 1892 Bothwell Lanarkshire age 37 birth year out but worth a try ..
Rosie
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Samuel's birth record should tell you when and where in Ireland his parents were married
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A few entries for them in the burial records for Cambusnethan.
Plot D375 in the municipal cemetery holds the following 4 burials (all dates are of interment) -
ANDREW NICOL, pithead labourer, Wishaw, aged 61 years, widower.
Parents - James Nicol & ---------------.
20th May 1892.
AGNES NICOL, housewife, Bellshill, aged 40 years, married.
Parents - Samuel Logan & ----------------.
24th May 1892.
STILLBORN FEMALE RAFFERTY, Wishaw.
Parents - Edward Rafferty & Isabella Nicol.
19th September 1892.
MARGARET GALLOWAY, Wishaw, aged 6 years.
Parents - Robert Galloway & Margaret Nicol.
3rd September 1895.
Plot E1782 -
MARGARET GALLOWAY, housewife, Wishaw, aged 59 years, widow.
Parents - Andrew Nicol & Isabella Haggerty.
19th July 1910.
Also, buried in Public Ground is -
JOHN NICOL, Wishaw, aged 17 months.
Parents - John Nicol & Agnes Logan.
6th August 1878.
Hope this helps a little.
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Good one Lodger so that death for Agnes Nicol in 1892 SP will be the right one :)
Rosie
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Yes, looks like it, too bad her mother's name isn't included but it may very well be on the death certificate. I assume the Andrew Nicol who was buried 4 days previously was her brother-in-law and the Rafferty/Galloway entries his descendants. Looks like his wife was Isabella Haggerty.
There may be a headstone at this grave, I'll have a look as soon as I can.
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Yes would say this Andrew Nicol is related he was living at 40 Sunnyside Rows in the 1881 census next to John Nicol ..
Rosie
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A New York passenger record for John Nicol age 49 birth year about 1854 miner last address Bellshill going to Boardman ..to son Samuel Nicol
Annie Nicol age 27
Thos Nicol age 21 miner
Isabella Nicol age 18
Arrival date 9 January 1904 New York ..departure Glasgow
Ship Furnessia
Rosie
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Yes would say this Andrew Nicol is related he was living at 40 Sunnyside Rows in the 1881 census next to John Nicol ..
Rosie
Yes, of course he was related, he was buried in the same (private) grave 4 days before Agnes!
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Yes would say this Andrew Nicol is related he was living at 40 Sunnyside Rows in the 1881 census next to John Nicol ..
Rosie
Yes, of course he was related, he was buried in the same (private) grave 4 days before Agnes!
Yes I know was just confirming his address :)
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There is a good chance this could be the family returning to Glasgow although different occupation for John Nicol ..
John Nicol age 52 farmer
Annie Nicol age 30
Thomas Nicol age 22
Departure St John New Brunswick Canada
Arrival date 3 November 1904 Glasgow ..
Then there is another passenger list arrival date 5 June 1911 New York
Thomas Nicol age 29 coal miner last address Bellshill Lanarkshire
Maggie Nicol age 22 wife
Andrew Nicol age 36 coal miner single
All going to brother Samuel L Nicol they mention a sister Mrs Paul Motherwell Road Bellshill last address came from
Rosie
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Great finds, Rosie
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A thomas Nicol married Margaret Jane Watters 1910 Dalziel Lanarkshire
Isabella Nicol married Joseph Paul 1907 Dalziel Lanarkshire so this would be the sister that was mentioned ..A death for a John Nicol 1906 Dalziel Lanarkshire age 55 could possibly be the father
All these can be found on Scotlands People ..Just confirming all these to the names mentioned on the passenger lists
Rosie
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Thank you Rosie17, your census data confirmed and added data for me. The link www.Scotlandpeople.gov di dnot work for me for some reason but based on your data and Lodger's input, I am leaning toward Agnes death in 1892.
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Thanks Lodger. Your plot entries should add significant value. I feel like this may be my Agnes. I suspect the rest at D375 are her siblings. I was excited to see John at 17 months (I definitely would have missed this).
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Rosie17, the passenger lists were awesome. It looks like Isabella didn't come back in 1904, but I have her married to a Joseph Paul, which fits Thomas' 1911 trip (Here I think Andrew is his brother born in 1875).
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The link www.Scotlandpeople.gov did not work for me
Not surprising. It should be www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
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Hi no Isabella did not come back with the family in 1904 still looking for her returning to UK before her marriage to Joseph Paul ..Yes Thomas and Andrew are brothers a possible record for Andrew returning back to Scotland in 1913 ..Not seeing Thomas or his wife in USA either could have came back or went to Canada ...You should be able to connect to www.scotlandspeople.gov.UK
Rosie
Should be all lower case problem with using kindle ;)
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Just working back to OP but dont see this as posted already.....
Eldest child on 1881census in Cambusnethan is named Annie Nicol, born in Ireland circa 1872
Ann Nichol born 25 Dec 1872 Garragh, Coleraine, Co Londonderry
Parents: John Nickel ( sic), Servant & Nancy Nichol formerly Logan
Mother registered the birth
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03214/2178555.pdf
Edit:
Marriage image not yet available on above site but, this couple married in Coleraine in 1871
John Nickole: year 1871. Quarter 1. Returns Vol 16. Returns Page 593
Nancy Logan year 1871. Quarter 1. Returns Vol 16. Returns Page 593
Groni:
Cert cost 5 credits @ £2.50
M/1871/K1/1066/1/128 Nancy Logan Nickole 23rd November 1871 Coleraine
M/1871/K1/1066/1/128 John Nickole Logan 23rd November 1871 Coleraine
Following also corresponds with burial info provided by Lodger in Reply7
Margaret Galloway who died in 1910....
M/1871/K1/1030/1/86 Margt. Nichol Galway 12th October 1871 Coleraine
M/1871/K1/1030/1/86 Robt. Galway Nichol 12th October 1871 Coleraine
1901 Cambusnethan:
All children on census returns 1881-1901 were born in Lanarkshire
Eldest son James was born Sep 1872 in Glasgow, registered in Camlachie
Birth name was: James GALWAY
Father: Robert John Galway
Mother: Margaret Jane Nichol
1901:
Robt Galloway 45 b Ireland
Margt Galloway 50 B Ireland
James Galloway 29 B GLASGoW
Thomas Galloway 24
Robt Galloway 22
Sarah Galloway 19
Andrew Galloway 17
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anne_p, wow that was interesting. Being a big fan of marriage dates and middle names I got quite a bit there. It is interesting that you came up with 'Nancy' vice 'Agnes' for my GG-grandmother. I liked the references and the links. I would guess that she might have been 'Agnes Nancy Logan' or 'Nancy Agnes Logan.' I suppose that John might have been married twice also.
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"Nancy" is often/usually a variant of Agnes.
It can also be a variant of Ann
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"Nancy" is often/usually a variant of Agnes.
It can also be a variant of Ann
Good find Anne never thought to look for Nancy should have known ..my mother was Agnes but was always known as Nancy :)
Rosie
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Yes Rosie, most people that I know named Nancy were actually Agnes.
My Aunt/Godmother was also known as Nancy, so I also assumed her birth name was Agnes.
I discovered that I was named for her and her birth name was......Anne!
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A friend of mine is always called Nancy but her proper name is Frances.
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Hi Dave if you descend from John Nicol and Agnes/Annie Logan then there is a chance we're related. John was likely an older son of Andrew Nicol and Isabella Haggerty/Hegarty/Higgerly, and I descend from a younger son also named Andrew and wife Janet Caskie McConnell. Andrew the elder is the one buried in Cambunesthan Cemetery along with some other family members: Agnes Nicol, daughter of Samuel Logan is Samuel Logan Nicol’s mother, the stillborn baby girl Rafferty is the daughter of Samuel’s sister Isabella and husband Edward Rafferty, Margaret Galloway is the daughter of John’s older sister Margaret and (possibly 1st husband) Robert Galloway, Margaret Galloway aged 59 years is his older sister, and John Nicol aged 17 months is Samuel Logan’s older brother. All this is speculation for now, aside from Andrew the elder and Andrew the younger which are confirmed.
I've taken a DNA test have you? This would probably help us confirm our relationship. Please let me know if you would care to pursue further communication. Regards, Mark Nicol mnicol [at] nildram dot co dot uk