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I have an 1851 census for Samuel Sheldon of Yorkshire, and his birthplace is transcribed as 'Throphill'. I don't have knowledge of where this place is and can not find anything on the internet about it. I think the last part of the word is Hull but I'm not certain.
Beth
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I am uncertain how to attach an image on here..
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Could it be Thorgill http://britishplacenames.co.uk/se7096-thorgill-north-yorkshire
Cas
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Thanks for your reply, I found his 1861 census and his birthplace is definitely 'Thorphill' - does anyone know where this is?
Beth
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Hello
Can you post when he was born and where he was in 51/61 census .
Might be able to trace a baptism that way.
Lee
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He was baptised on 20 May 1821 at Holy Trinity, Rothwell, parents Major and Sarah Sheldon.
In 1851 he was living in Leeds St Andrew and in 1861 in Wortley near Leeds.
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If anyone wants to look, it's at HO107/2321 fo105 p35. The surname appears to be written SHELDIN, though Ancestry have transcribed it as SHELDEN, and someone has given a correction of SHELDON.
They've also corrected Ancestry's "Throphill" to Thorphall, and looking at what's written, that seems reasonable. However, Thorp(e) is a very common place name element in Yorkshire, and you will probably need to look for other evidence (other censuses, marriage etc) to confirm this chap's origins.
This page at GENUKI - http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Where/T.html - lists 4 places called Thorp(e) Hall in Yorkshire, taken from directories. However, they look like big houses, and unless he was born to one of the staff, they don't look the sort of place a forge man would be born. Besides the ones mentioned there, there may well have been other big houses or small communities near a hall in one of the many places called Thorp(e).
Late addition: I've now just seen your later post referring to Thorphill. How about Thorpe on the Hill in the parish of Rothwell (see the GENUKI page I've linked to)?
Further addition: bethanyyd96's find may support this.
Arthur
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I've had a look at the original page for the 1851 and 1861 censuses and in both cases I think the birthplace is Thorphall :)
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Arthur, I have had a look at that link, and saw that one of them was in the parish of Whitkirk, which is where his mother died in 1830 (Thorpe-Stapleton) ??? and as her death was only a few years from 1821 when Samuel was born, this seems plausible to me.
Beth
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Thorpe on the Hill is south of Leeds, close to the modern M1/M62 interchange. You can see it on this old map: http://maps.nls.uk/view/102345004 Inconveniently, there's a Thorpe Hall there.
Thorpe Stapleton is on the north bank of the River Aire - see this map: http://maps.nls.uk/view/102344959 Thorpe Hall is shown there, and also Thorpe Hall Iron Works.
However, Thorpe Stapleton is in the parish of Whitkirk, so why a baptism in Rothwell? And Thorpe on the Hill is in Rothwell...
More information needed, I think. Any brothers or sisters? If so, where did they claim to be born?
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All of his brothers and sisters were baptised at Rothwell
Beth
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Hello
Samuels father Major snr,brother Major and sisters Harriet and Sarah are on the 1841 census living at Thorpe Stapleton.
Lee
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Any brothers or sisters? If so, where did they claim to be born?
All of his brothers and sisters were baptised at Rothwell
What I perhaps should have said was, what do they give as their place of birth in 1851 and later censuses? But since you have their baptisms, are there any clues in the entries as to where they lived?
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Samuels baptism entry show abode Thorpe Stapleton.brother Major 1818 abode Rothwell Haigh. Harriet 1816 Haigh. No address on earlier baptisms.
Lee
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I agree with Lee, there are a few censuses I have come across that have them living at Thorpe Stapleton.
Beth
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That seems to more or less settle it, I think.
Incidentally, I've just noticed that you posted this in the North Riding section, whereas this is all West Riding. I'll ask a moderator to consider moving it.