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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: Newbabe on Monday 23 January 17 10:22 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
Help, my g.g.g.grandmother Charlotte Trapnell died aged 91 7.2.1894. in Bridgwater. I have found a baptism for her in Broomfield 8.2.1803, parents Joseph and Mary. I cannot find a marriage for these two, and cannot find a baptism for Joseph, and as I do not have Marys maiden name I cannot find her birth o baptism. I have been looking for these for so long now with no success.
Any help or leads would be much appreciated.
Thanks Val
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Is Trapnell Charlottes maiden name of married name?
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Ok found her as Trapnel 1803 to Joseph/Mary
Earlier Children Baptised Broomfield with Father Joseph have Mother as Martha (maybe she was known as Mary also?)
Ist Child Sarah 1787
All on FreeREG
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BURIALS;
St Mary and All Saints, Broomfield
MARTHA Trapnell, 25 April 1841 age 88
JOSEPH Trapmill, 9 March 1845 age 89
1841 Census
Broomfield, Somerset
Joseph Trapnell, 85, Ag Lab
Mary Clinch, 64
Elizabeth Sully, 63
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So Joseph was born c 1756 from 1841 Census and 1756 from Burial
Martha born c 1753
Marriage on FreeREG 1776 Broomfield
2 earlier Childrens Baptism before Sarah 1787 are Jane 1776/James 1782
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Did Charlotte marry John Holeman or Holdman 1828 Bridgewater?
A Witness was MARIA Trapnell
MARIA Trapnell was Baptised 5 Jan 1793 Broomfield to JOSEPH/MARIA
I rest my case :)
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Yes Trish she did. BUT, I have just decided to go back over what I have and its funny what you find.
As her death cert dated 1894 says she is 91 then I thought she must have been born in 1803.
So I have just checked the census's I have for her.
1841 she says she is 30 (that year they had to round up/down to the nearest 0 or 5)
1851 she is 44 ??!! (she is a lady, we all lie!!)
1861 she is 58
1871 she is 67
1881 she is 77
1891 she is 85
1894 at death 91.
Well I don't know about you maths, but that doesn't quite work out to me.
SO - is she the Charlotte Trapnell born to John Trapnell and Martha (Guiliford)
baptised 24th. Sept 1810 in Spaxton?
What do you think?
Val
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I can only give my opinion and the Witness at the Marriage clinches it for me.
So I think she is the Daug of Joseph/Martha nee Mullins.
Also if she was born c 1810 the Marriage Record would say usually with permission of Parents as she would be underage,
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Good point!
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What are they under in 1841 Census, I cant find them.
Naming pattern of Children may help also in establishing her Parents.
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Ok, got it OLMAN ::)
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I have been trying to make sense of all the above. So I checked out Charlotte Trapnells getting married during the allotted time frame and I found a C.T. marrying a Charles Cole. Charlotte Cole dies in 1870 aged 68 on the index it states she was born c1803.
The more you check the more involved it gets!!!!!!!!!
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Yes I agree that another Charlotte Trapnell married a Charles Coles 1834
Have you found them on Census thought to establish her yob and pob?
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This is the Charlotte Trapnell who married Charles Coles in Spaxton;;
1851 Census
Charlotte Coles, 40, Head, Widow, Blacksmith employing 1 Man, born Spaxton*** (c 1811)
Jane Coles, 16
William Coles, 14
George Coles, 8
Rhoda Coles, 4
Joseph Bennet, 25, Servant, Blacksmith
Children born North Petherton, Somerset
RHODA ANN Coles was Baptised 30 Aug 1846 North Petherton to CHARLES/CHARLOTTE
(Anc.)
Her Birth Reg on GRO Index has Mothers mn as TRAPNELL
1841 Census
North Petherton
Charles Coles, 30, Smith (Blacksmith)
Charloste Coles, 30
Jane Coles, 7
Wm Coles, 4
Henry Coles, 2
Ann Coles, 1 Mo
CHARLOTTE Trapnell Bapt 24 Sept 1810, St Margaret, Spaxton** to JOHN/MARTHA
So I think you can rule this one out :)
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What a mess, thanks Trish
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So I am back to square one trying to find out info on Joseph and Mary Trapnell. If it is Martha,
why did she give the name Mary only the once. I am still not 100% convinced.
Val
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Its up to you but I have found many times Mothers names can be changed, eg Lavinia/Levinia/Liv etc. Martha/Mary may just be the same or the transcriber on FreeREG or Vicar made a mistake.
All the Baptisms line up from the 1776 Marriage of Joseph Trapnell to Martha Mullins.
As I said the Witness Maria Trapnell at the 1828 Marriage I think is significant.
Trish :)
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Hi Trish
You need to get in touch with Brian Austin, 11 Alma Road, Weston-Super-Mare, North Somerset, BS23 1RB as he has a one name study on the name Trapnell as that was his wife's maiden name. Unfortunately Brian will not do anything by computer so you need to write to him but I can assure you that he is a very knowledgeable chap as he is also the Weston-Super-Mare local historian.
Good luck with this & I feel sure that Brian should be able to help you
All the very best
Phil
Weston-Super-Mare
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Hi Phil,
Greetings fron Sydney.
I think you mean Val should get in touch ;D
All the best,
Trish :)
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Also to note a Richard Trapnell married a Grace Mullens 12/4/1773 Broomfield - said Grace, wife of Richard buried 29/5/1776 Broomfield - perhaps a case of 2 brothers marrying 2 sisters?
Annette
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Thanks to all, a lot to sift through.
Val
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Hi Val & Trish
Sorry I got you mixed up when I put my posting on
All the very best
Phil
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No problem Phil :)
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Hi Val
Ive just spoken to Brian Austin the Weston historian who I recommended that you get in touch with by letter & he has told me that he has the information you require & can take you 2 generations further back & if I know Brian he will give you a lot more info than that.
All the very best
Phil
Weston-Super-Mare
ps Brian is looking forward to hearing from you
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Thanks Phil, I will get in touch with him.
Val
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Hi Val,
When you have the info can you let us know the outcome please.
I am very curious as to if we were on the right track.
Trish :)
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Will do Trish, I will send a letter a S.A.E. hopefully for a reply.
If I know have it right, I think Josephs parents are John and Catherine (Taylor). Johns parents Robert and Joan Biffen and Roberts father William.
If Martha (Mary) Mullens is correct I have 3 generations back.
I will keep you posted.
Val
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Hi Val
Im so glad that you are going to get in touch with Brian Austin as he is a fount of knowledge on the Trapnell's of Somerset & has traced them to most other counties as well. I know that Brian can give you a lot of info & promise you it will be well worth a couple of stamp as his info will be free as he believes in sharing his findings with those keen enough to get in touch with him. I will also be very interested to know how he helped you out.
All the very best
Phil
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I posted a letter, enclosing a s.a.e., to Brian today. I will keep you posted on what he has to say.
Val
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Well I have received a reply from Brian. He starts by writing "There is an oddity over the Trapnell line you are asking about as it does not follow the behaviour of the older brothers of Joseph, all being sons of John and Catherine as you mentioned". He lists a number a births and who did what etc. all of which I had already written out to try to make sense of the tree. Brian states he has over 50 years of Trapnell info and like m e he can find no record of a Joseph and Mary marrying.
He also concludes that Charlotte born 1803 must be the daughter of Joseph and Martha. Brian also states that Robert Trapnell (who with wife Joan Biffen) is Josephs grandfather/johns father and that Robert also went by the surname CHICKE.
So lots more to look up.
Thanks for all your help
Val
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Hi Val
I was hoping that Brian would have been able to complete your look up for you but I can vouch that he has a tremendous amount of information on the name Trapnell & if he doesn't have the full information you can bet its not there to be found. I do hope that he has pointed you in the right direction though
Good luck with your research
Phil