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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: sunseeker60 on Monday 23 January 17 19:35 GMT (UK)
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We have been searching for more than 10 years without success for a death certificate for my mother’s grandfather William Parry. He apparently died before she was born and was never mentioned by her parent’s.
William was born on the 27th July 1868 in Nantmawr near Mold in Flintshire but moved with his parents to Staffordshire when he was less than 2 years old where he then grew up and worked.
He is recorded on the 1911 Census living at 10 Stubbs Street, Newcastle-under-Lyme and is living with his wife Florence and daughter Alice May. His age is given as 43 and his occupation is described as a bricklayers labourer working in the Railway industry. The Brampton Museum in Newcastle under Lyme has a Rate Book for the Newcastle under Lyme Poor Law Union for 1914 where a “William Perry”, living at 12 Stubbs Street, is assessed under section 4 of the Poor Rate Assessment and Collection Act 1869.
There is then a gap of 16 years before his daughter Alice May Parry marries Henry Pepper on the 2nd August 1930. On their marriage certificate Alice May’s residence is still 12 Stubbs Street and in the place where her Father’s name should be recorded it just says “deceased”.
We have speculated that as he was a miner in his early working life he may have been a tunneller in the First World War but none of the deaths during this period seem to match his details. Could his name have been mis-transcribed he is referred to as both Parry and Perry? Was he living away when he died as we can’t locate a death in Staffordshire in the period 1914-1930 which matches his details. Did he end up in the workhouse?
Whatever the reason it’s a mystery to us and we would love some help to solve it.
Judy Gaunt
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Do you know where Florence was buried, and looked for any records of him there?
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This is the only death matching his profile but it does not match with Alice's marriage. Have you already investigated/discounted it?
William Parry 77 (1869) Date of Registration Sep 1946 Newcastle under Lyme
Volume 9b Page 200
The Staffs 1911 has 2 other William Parry's in roughly the same age range but they were not living in the Newcastle under Lyme Registration District at that time
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William Parry, 1869, is also showing on the 1939 in Newcastle-under-Lyme. I do not have full access for dates of birth etc.
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In the household is Thomas J Madew, who appears to marry an Ethel Parry in 1930. So probably wrong man?
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Judy - unless you have already done so , it might be worth checking that entry on the 1939 register.
Alice & Henry married in N- under L so the family seem to have remained in that locality
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I noticed that the 2 births of Henry & Alice's children show her maiden name as Perry - not Parry
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Ethel Parry -who married Thomas Madew- is in a tree on ancestry as the daughter of William Parry and Emily Riley.
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Ethel Parry -who married Thomas Madew- is in a tree on ancestry as the daughter of William Parry and Emily Riley.
Not that it is relevant to this post but that tree owner has not researched properly. The Parry/Riley marriage was 1903 whereas Ethel was born March qtr 1898 to William's first marriage. He is a widower in 1901
Ethel's mother was Sarah Ann Harvey who married William Parry 1895 and died March qtr 1898 - presumably during/after childbirth
I have sent a message via Ancestry to the tree owner
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Do you know where Florence was buried, and looked for any records of him there?
Florence was buried in Newcastle under Lyme cemetery. We don't live locally and haven't been able to thoroughly check for a record of William there but we did ask someone at the cemetery office and they couldn't find anything.
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This is the only death matching his profile but it does not match with Alice's marriage. Have you already investigated/discounted it?
William Parry 77 (1869) Date of Registration Sep 1946 Newcastle under Lyme
Volume 9b Page 200
The Staffs 1911 has 2 other William Parry's in roughly the same age range but they were not living in the Newcastle under Lyme Registration District at that time
Yes we did get the certificate and check this death out but unfortunately it's not our William Parry.
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When did Florence die and who reported her death?
Is she shown as a widow on the death cert?
If she is the 1936 death - that death was not registered in N under L
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On the Staffordshire BMD website the 1936 death for Florence Parry was registered in Stoke on Trent and it states the sub district of Hartshill. Hartshill is only a mile or so from Newcastle under Lyme and there is quite a large cemetery in Harshill. Possibly (if this is your Florence), she could be buried there
Chris
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When did Florence die and who reported her death?
Is she shown as a widow on the death cert?
If she is the 1936 death - that death was not registered in N under L
Yes Florence is the 1936 death and she is described as a widow. The death was reported by the husband of her daughter Alice May Pepper (nee Parry).
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On the Staffordshire BMD website the 1936 death for Florence Parry was registered in Stoke on Trent and it states the sub district of Hartshill. Hartshill is only a mile or so from Newcastle under Lyme and there is quite a large cemetery in Harshill. Possibly (if this is your Florence), she could be buried there
Chris
This is the right death. We have confirmed Florence is buried in Newcastle under Lyme cemetery but we have found no record of William Parry there. This makes us think William may have died and be buried elsewhere.
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Regarding the 1946 death of William Parry. You have the certificate and have discounted it but on what grounds?
Reason I ask is that there is a will for that William Parry living at Porthill (not far from Newcastle-u-Lyme) and everything is left to Ethel Madew (wife of Thomas Jervis Madew). Is it possible that he and florence were separated and this is the daughter from his first marriage? You have probably checked this but I thought I would mention it.
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Regarding the 1946 death of William Parry. You have the certificate and have discounted it but on what grounds?
Reason I ask is that there is a will for that William Parry living at Porthill (not far from Newcastle-u-Lyme) and everything is left to Ethel Madew (wife of Thomas Jervis Madew). Is it possible that he and florence were separated and this is the daughter from his first marriage? You have probably checked this but I thought I would mention it.
Hi Zen Rabbit
Florence was William's first and only wife so far as we know. They had two children Lily Gertrude (who died in infancy) and Alice May. This William Parry was born in Staffordshire and was a colliery secretary/representative. Both he and our William Parry appear as separate entries on the 1911 Census so they have to be different people. Who would have thought there could be two William Parry's with similar birth years living in Staffordshire but there were. Then again with the name being so common perhaps its not too unusual.