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Hello
I'm back with my family history, with Census; BMD Certificates and Parish Register copies, just over 200 years to my 4 X Gt. G. Rather than wait until the next trip into town to our Library, I wondered please, where Anna was in 1911?
As I've been stuck for 18 yrs, I'm going backward, to check more recent Wills of other family Hood lines, hoping for a mention of a possession, belonging to my unconfirmed 5 X Gt. G., or an unknown Hood family member.
On 4th August 1901 Anna Mary Curtis of 291 Camberwell Road, Surrey, became a widow of the late John Conway Curtis.
A. M. Curtis was Sister to my 2 X Gt. Grandfather George Hood born Selby and witnessed his Will, proved 1885.
She was born to John and Sarah Hood of Selby, as Hannah Mary Hood.
Her abode and any relatives in same house in 1911 please?
Thanks, Mark
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Hi
Sorry but we are not allowed to do 1911 lookups
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Could this be her
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWBY-V91
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Probate calendar shows an Anna Mary Curtis of 14 Herbert St Whitworth Park Manchester widow died 11 Oct 1911 Royal Infirmary Manchester. Administration London 17 Jan 1912 London to the reverend William Hood clerk.
Death showing as Anna M Curtis est birth year 1851 Oct - Dec 1911 Chorlton.
William
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Thanks Rosie
Didn't know it could be found on Family Search
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWBY-V91
Hulme, Chorlton is interesting, because:-
1) it gives me a clue as to which death is likely to be hers on Free BMD and narrow down a Probate check on gov.uk
2) in 1871 my 2 x Gt Grandfather George Hood, born Selby 1847, lived at Peel Causeway, Hulme.
Kind regards Mark
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Probate calendar shows an Anna Mary Curtis of 14 Herbert St Whitworth Park Manchester widow died 11 Oct 1911 Royal Infirmary Manchester. Administration London 17 Jan 1912 London to the reverend William Hood clerk.
Death showing as Anna M Curtis est birth year 1851 Oct - Dec 1911 Chorlton.
William
Hello William
Thank you so much for these replies.
A William Hood, aged 23 of Bowdon (then a Railway Clerk) had married Elizabeth Ann Foster, aged 23, at Manchester on 14 November 1872. James Foster and Anna Mary Hood, witnesses.
Marriage info very kindly from Rootschatter 'Goughy'
William Hood, studied at St Bees and became a Reverend in the area and then later at Barnby-in-the-Willows, dying at Newark Hospital and I've already ordered his Will and his widow's.
Isn't it nice, when bits of information on here, fit together like a glove, with what I already have!
William Hood and Anna Mary Hood are sideways relatives of my line, from John Hood of Selby, a Tanner and wife Sarah Hood (nee Richardson), but hoping they might mention an unknown Hood, or an item belonging to a Hood ancestor.
Thank you.
Regards Mark
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Hello
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On 4th August 1901 Anna Mary Curtis of 291 Camberwell Road, Surrey, became a widow of the late John Conway Curtis.
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She was born to John and Sarah Hood of Selby, as Hannah Mary Hood.
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This 291 Camberwell Road, seems to be a really odd address.
I notice that there was also a 291 Camberwell New Road, so I have left that address for the moment and concentrated on 291 Camberwell Rd, London.
Rather than finding a John Conway Curtis (per 1901 Probate) and an A. M. Curtis giving that as her address on 1885 Hood paperwork ...
I have:-
1880
John J. Lidle, 291 Camberwell Road, Baker, who looks to be a shareholder in the London and South Western Bank Limited.
1885
A. M. Curtis 291 Camberwell Road, London, witnessing a Hood document.
1890
STABLE Boy Wanted, ... Mr Grove, Dairy, 291 Camberwell Rd, London, S.E.
1891
MILK.-Strong, active YOUTH wanted, for milk round; state wages to live out.-Camberwell Green Dairy, 291 Camberwell-road, London, S.E.
1892
STRONG, active Girl, about 18, as General Servant; one who can do plain cooking; no children; comfortable home.-Dairy, 291, Camberwell rd.
1893 & 1894
Two Summonses against A. M. Grove, under the Sale of Food & ...
1901
John Conway Curtis of 291 Camberwell Road, Surrey, dying in the Constance Road workhouse East Dulwich, Surrey Probate to Anna Mary Curtis widow.
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Are there two 291 Camberwell Road, London?
Wondering if this John J. Liddle, might be related to John Conway Curtis or nee Anna Mary Curtis?
Thank you
Mark
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Gosh these are tricky people to find. I can even search by address and struggling to find the Curtis family.
John J Lidle was in Islington by 1891 census. He was also from Stuttgart Germany.
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Hi Claire
Thanks.
Some attachments relating to my last (Reply #6) post above, here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6308117#msg6308117
I wonder where the Curtis can be?
Mark
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Looks like the mystery is solved ...
The Curtis had changed their surname to Grove, see the page here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6308567#msg6308567
A Warrant had been issued for the arrest of John Conway Curtis, published in 1880.
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Looks like the mystery is solved ...
The Curtis had changed their surname to Grove, see the page here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6308567#msg6308567
A Warrant had been issued for the arrest of John Conway Curtis, published in 1880.
Hello
Interesting Anna Mary Curtis (born Hannah Mary Hood of Selby) and Mr Curtis who were on the run from the Police at Moor Street, Birmingham in 1880, should use the surname Grove, in London?
Because in 1781 on page 54 of the 'London Directory' section of:-
Bailey's Northern Directory, or, Merchant's and Tradesman's Useful Companion, For The Year 1781.
In 1781 there was a company called Grove and Hood, Merchts. 4 Crosby Square, Bishopsgate Street
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=jqBVAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=%22London+Directory%22+%22Grove+and+Hood%22&source=bl&ots=sJoz4SbzYh&sig=VqhuKonDfb6izvYwsff92dVugwU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj375vt8tHeAhXlDsAKHVrZCRMQ6AEwAHoECAAQAQ
I'm left wondering if Hood of Grove and Hood, Merchants, in 1781, might be related to my brickwall ancestor George Hood of Selby, or a coincidence that Curtis should assume the surname Grove, out of the blue about 100 years later?
London Gazette 1835 (with reference to William Hood & Sarah Grove in 1816)
William Hood ... Sarah Grove ... Widow ... Merchants and Bankers (lately carrying on trade in Crosby-Square aforesaid, under the firm, of John Hood and Company ...
1836
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1A1KAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA302&lpg=PA302&dq=1835+%22William+Hood%22+%22Sarah+Grove%22&source=bl&ots=Ga39-e0ZIs&sig=cCZwhTkV7__Eawmn50u_U0pGGz0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwit1ZCNgdLeAhVMD8AKHWh2BfoQ6AEwAHoECAQQAQ
Mark
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1806 The European Magazine, and London Review, Volume 49
Monthly Obituary (May?)
24. At Newington, Mr. John Hood, of Crosby square.
Another says:-
At his house at Newington Green, John Hood, esq. principal of the old respectable house in Crosby Square ; whose integrity, goodness of heart, and urbanity of manners, endeared him to all who knew him.
About time some of these old Hood obits cut out the nice words and name who is kin, any children and where.
Mark
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Hi
His Will was quite revealing in regards to kin
“I John Hood of Newington Green do give and bequeath to my dearly beloved consort Elizabeth daughter of the late John Holton of Colebrook Co. Salop a third of what I may be possessed of at the time of my decease along with all furniture.”
Nothing else written apart from to say it was written by him.
The Will was examined by two bankers from Lombard Street (John Smith and Wm Remington) who declared the Will to have been written by the deceased John Hood.
The estate was administered by William Hood the natural born brother and one of the next of kin after being sworn duly after no executor or residual legatee being named in the Will and Elizabeth Hood widow of the deceased after having first ? the letters of Administration with Will annexed.
Claire ;)
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Hello
Thank you Claire.
Salop does not ring any bells yet, with my family.
Mark
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Hi
His Will was quite revealing in regards to kin
“I John Hood of Newington Green do give and bequeath to my dearly beloved consort Elizabeth daughter of the late John Holton of Colebrook Co. Salop a third of what I may be possessed of at the time of my decease along with all furniture.”
Nothing else written apart from to say it was written by him.
The Will was examined by two bankers from Lombard Street (John Smith and Wm Remington) who declared the Will to have been written by the deceased John Hood.
The estate was administered by William Hood the natural born brother and one of the next of kin after being sworn duly after no executor or residual legatee being named in the Will and Elizabeth Hood widow of the deceased after having first ? the letters of Administration with Will annexed.
Claire ;)
Hello
Investigating those Smith, Bankers of Lombard Street.
Claire some of the Smith Bankers of Lombard Street, were QUAKERS ...
QUAKER, Joseph Smith (1742 to 1813, per Edw H. Milligan, 2007, 606 pages), accepted bills of YORKSHIRE manufacturers and was at one time an Underwriter at Lloyds, becoming a wealthy respected banker in Broad Street.
Mr Milligan also mentions the above Joseph Smith, was not to be confused with Thomas Smith (1725 to 1792) of Smith, Wright & Gray, Bankers, Lombard Street.
QUAKER, Thomas Smith (1725 to 1792), Silversmith and Banker, was born at Southwark, London 13 vii 1725 [September 1725 per Milligan, so must be the old Quaker Month dating system in use] and a Clerk for Henton Brown & Co., Lombard Street, later commencing as a Silversmith, Lombard Street. Thomas Smith teamed up with John Wright and Henry Gray, as partners to form bankers Smith, Wright & Gray, Lombard Street. Married in 1758 to Elizabeth Underwood.
Looks like John Smith, Banker, Lombard Street, one of the men who confirmed the Will to be that of John Hood and this John Hood might be linked to Quakers!
The County of Salop, is apparently now in, or is Shropshire.
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However, by 1816 William Hood of Crosby Square in the City of London and Sarah Grove of Taunton Somerset, Widow, Merchants and Bankers (carrying on trade in Crosby Square under the firm of John Hood and Company) were subject to a Commission of Bankruptcy and the Last Examination of the Effects and Estate of Wm Hood one of the said Bankrupts was to take place on 10th August.
The 1816 Notice also gives notice for Creditors who have not already proved their debts to come forward to prove them and giving notice for anyone to assent to or dissent from the allowance of his Certificate [of Conformity].
It seems they were Bankrupt on the one hand, but being cleared in the same Notice, provided nobody dissented from the allowance of his Certificate.
TNA, Kew, B 3/5510 William Hood and Sarah Grove of Crosby Square, London ...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C481644
Mark