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I'm looking for the birth record of my late mother in law ...she never managed to find a birth certificate ...she knew her father was Edward McGrath.
Born Dec 1914 in Kilarny Co Kerry
She grew up in a children's home in Windsor Surrey..her father was in the army.
Not much more is known.
Can anyone suggest were is start ?
Thank you
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Mc Grath I'm looking for Margaret Mc Grath born 1914 father Edward....
No mother details are known as she never had a birth certificate.
Do you know her father's occupation? do you have a more exact location than Co. Kerry?
Only 2 Edward McGraths in Co. Kerry in 1911 census- neither married & one quite elderly:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kerry/Listowel_Urban/William_Street/275537
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kerry/Listowel_Urban/William_Street/275537
Do you mean Killarney?
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Hello and welcome
She might have been registered in her mother's name. Do you have her birthday?
Irish genealogy has Margarets born 1914 - not with the name of McGrath though.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jcl/
There is an Edward McGrath soldier in English 1911 census but we aren't allowed to post detailed information.
I wonder why or how she was brought to Surrey? Did she have papers from the home with his details?
Regards
Heywood
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Thank you we know very little.
Father was a solider Edward Mc Grath...we believe they followed him to surrey...her mothers died when she was eight and she grew up in a catholic children's home in Windsor...
Her. DOB 12th Dec 1914 ...but we have no birth cert she wa never able to find one so this many be wrong as often children born before parents wed find their DOB is wrong...so that could the case.
Killarney ...is where she believed she was born....as she has now died we have little to go on
Thank you
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Link to topic on
Surrey board- moved to Berkshire board-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=763785.new#new
It's possible that her father was a soldier called Edward McGrath... or not. It's not uncommon for illegitimate children to make up or embellish father's details when getting married.
If she was put into a children's home in Windsor when she was 8 years old (c1922/3)- have you looked for possible deaths for her mother in that area?
Nothing likely in Berkshire. Closest I could find for that period under Surrey is this one- but it's possible she was transferred to Windsor from outside the area and the surname is too common in the area to assume this could be Margaret's mother
Elizabeth McGrath, age 35, Jan./Mar.1923 Lambeth volume 1d page 192
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If she was a Catholic have you contacted the church where she married?
They would have required proof of her baptism, or letter of freedom from previous parishes
to marry if they had a concern she wasn't from the area
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Thank you all you have given me lots to start with ...sadly we didn't ask enough while she was alive.
Later years she had alzihimers so was too late then. For years she tried to find her birth cert...she traces her Dad but found he had died .
there is no more we know....we have found the marriage record for Margreat but not the church details.15th July 1939 St Pancras...is all the record says...she's listed as Peggy McGrath when she married .
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Her Civil Marriage record should state the place of marriage
If it was a registry office then there would be no church record
If it was a Catholic Church you would have to contact the church for their own record
It is this that could give more information
Have you looked for Edward McGrath's military records?
Do you have his Date & Place of Birth?
These records may provide clues by stating if he married and/or where; where he was stationed, etc.
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Her Civil Marriage record should state the place of marriage
If it was a registry office then there would be no church record
If it was a Catholic Church you would have to contact the church for their own record
It is this that could give more information
Have you looked for Edward McGrath's military records?
Do you have his Date & Place of Birth?
These records may provide clues by stating if he married and/or where; where he was stationed, etc.
Sadly we have no more information....all I have is St Pancras for location married .family story is it was a church.
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The Edward McGrath mentioned in Reply 2 a Soldier the following could be details of same person in 1881 Chatham Kent. Head Edward McGrath Doctors Servant Late Army, born Ireland
Wife Ann b. Ireland Son Robert a 15 b Japan, Son Edward a 2 b. India.
1891 Chatham Kent. Head Edward McGrath b 1843 Wexford Ireland, Wife Ann b Limerick Ireland
Son Edward a 12 b. Rawalpindine India.
There is a death 10th Dec 1914 of a Edward McGrath Lance Sgt Norfolk Regiment Army reg no 5640
Death place Meyeera. There were Gratuties paid 2/10/1916 & 6/9/1919 to a Margaret Walmsley
I believe this Edward is the same one shown on 1881 & 1891 Censuses whether he is the one you are looking for I cannot be sure. You could obtain the service record from the UK Government Archives site.
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The Edward McGrath mentioned in Reply 2 a Soldier the following could be details of same person in 1881 Chatham Kent. Head Edward McGrath Doctors Servant Late Army, born Ireland
Wife Ann b. Ireland Son Robert a 15 b Japan, Son Edward a 2 b. India.
1891 Chatham Kent. Head Edward McGrath b 1843 Wexford Ireland, Wife Ann b Limerick Ireland
Son Edward a 12 b. Rawalpindine India.
There is a death 10th Dec 1914 of a Edward McGrath Lance Sgt Norfolk Regiment Army reg no 5640
Death place Meyeera. There were Gratuties paid 2/10/1916 & 6/9/1919 to a Margaret Walmsley
I believe this Edward is the same one shown on 1881 & 1891 Censuses whether he is the one you are looking for I cannot be sure. You could obtain the service record from the UK Government Archives site.
Thank you...this gives me something to look into... We thought he was still alive in 1939 as we understood he had arranged the wedding of Margaret and William Julian 15th July 1939 ....reason ..Margaret had no birth certificate ...so how did he arrange it...?
Did he just pay the vicar or priest ? We don't know
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If you do not have the marriage certificate, it would be best to purchase it to see what information is on there.
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No...sadly it's lost...all I have is St. Pancras... On a list of marriages
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This is my thought to try and apply for a copy of the marriage cert...
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Details to apply for cert are Reg District Pancras Middlesex Volume 1b Page 133 William Julian & McGrath 15th July 1939
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It would be best for information re her father.
September quarter 1939 Pancras vol 1b pg 133 Peggy McGrath
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Sorry ballydw :)
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Sorry ballydw :)
:)
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Details to apply for cert are Reg District Pancras Middlesex Volume 1b Page 133 William Julian & McGrath 15th July 1939
Thank you for your help its appreciated
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It would be best for information re her father.
September quarter 1939 Pancras vol 1b pg 133 Peggy McGrath
Thank you so much...
First job tomorrow
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If you didn't have a copy of her marriage certificate then where did you find her father was Edward McGrath a soldier?
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It would be best for information re her father.
September quarter 1939 Pancras vol 1b pg 133 Peggy McGrath
Thank you so much...
First job tomorrow
If they married in a Catholic Church also contact the church as they may have more information that was need to be recorded
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If you didn't have a copy of her marriage certificate then where did you find her father was Edward McGrath a soldier?
Peggy ( Margaret) knew her fathers name... of course its possible her parents wernt married and that is why she could never find a birth certificate.
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It would be best for information re her father.
September quarter 1939 Pancras vol 1b pg 133 Peggy McGrath
Thank you so much...
First job tomorrow
If they married in a Catholic Church also contact the church as they may have more information that was need to be recorded
Well the marriage certificate still hasn't arrived how long do they take ?
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Well the marriage certificate has arrived .. Father was Edward Lawrence Mc Grath GPO sorter . Ive had a look about and found an Army record for him in the Horse Guards which is what we had heard. Can if find out more from Army records about him and would it show a wife and child maybe ?