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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: rkive82 on Thursday 26 January 17 01:06 GMT (UK)
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In the 1861 census, we have Thomas Slator (not Slater) 26 a lodger and bookseller living in Ipswich with his wife Mary C (Charlotta), born in Newport, Pembs. and sons Thomas H (2) and James L (1), both born in Paddington.
Thomas and Mary had married on 30th March 1858 in Newport, Pembrokeshire.
I have Mary C living in Newport, Pembs. in 1901, but nothing else between 1861 and 1901.
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What happened to the family? Was the father of Thomas a James Slator or Henry Slator?
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I believe the son Thomas Henry died in California in 1908.
As always, any information is greatly appreciated.
Richard
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Hi in 1871 census as SLATER:-
Mary C Slater 38 occ Wife of Commercial Traveller b Newport, Pembroke
Thomas H 12 b London, Middx
Llewllyn J 11 b London, Middx
shown as lodgers at Wellington Street, Leamington, Warwickshire
Census Ref RG10/3194/115/3
Keyboard86
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Thanks very much Keyboard.
I haven't found it on Anc***** yet. So Thomas is not with them?
Richard
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Thanks very much Keyboard.
I haven't found it on Anc***** yet. So Thomas is not with them?
Richard
No Thomas, on Anc*** shown as STATER
Keyboard86
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Hi again, an odd Mary ( Married) aged 49 b Newport, Pembrokeshire shown as sister to a Henry Slator 42 b Rippingale, Lincolnshire in Lambeth, Surrey 1881 census RG11/606/37/18
Keyboard86
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I found the 1871 record. It appears that it's under STATER not SLATER.
I'm pretty sure that's our Mary Charlotta and her sons.
Thanks
Richard
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... and the 1881 Census record in Lambeth just has to be Mary C as a sister-in-law to Henry. Being born in Newport, Pembs. would be too much of a coincidence for anyone else, I think.
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Thanks so much. I shall enter that on Anc***** too.
Meanwhile, if Mary is still married, where are Thomas and the sons?
Richard
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Hi still striving to locate a birth registration for Thomas H b c 1858 Paddington?
But, Lewelyn James Slator June qtr 1860 Kensington 1a 1 mmn Thomas
Keyboard86
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Hi when Thomas Slator married Mary Charlotta in 1858 his occupation was that of a Tea Dealer, who is this in 1871 census:-
Thomas Slater 35 occ Tea Agent b Gedney, Lincolnshire
Mary Ann 27 b Bolton
Arthur F 10 months b Manchester
Residing at Chorlton upon Medlock, Manchester
Census Ref RG10/3989/117/17
Keyboard86
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Oh dear. Living with another Mary (Ann)?
Thanks. I'll investigate further.
Richard
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Arthur Fletcher Slater born Q June 1869 Knaresbro' vol 9a page 95. Is this the son?
The plot thickens!
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Arthur Fletcher Slater born Q June 1869 Knaresbro' vol 9a page 95. Is this the son?
The plot thickens!
If he is 10 months old in 1871 he cannot be born June qtr 1869?
Keyboard86
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I agree but it's the closest I can find on the FreeBMD index. **** I now find a birth for Arthur Frederick Slater in June 1871 in Chorlton; vol 8c page 655. It may have been registered late. ****
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Going back to the 1871 census record in Leamington, Warwickshire - Frederick Owen Thomas 20, a student and also born in Newport, Pembs., is visiting Mary C Slator, his half sister, and her two boys Thomas H and Llewelyn J Slator aka Slater and even Stater.
So, it's definitely Mary Charlotta.
R
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Hi and online tree suggests that Arthur F was not 10 months old ( as per census) and has this baptism:-
Arthur Frederic Slater born 3rd March 1871 Baptism 7th September 1873 Manchester Father Thomas Mother Mary Ann
Keyboard86
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That's probably my tree on Anc*****. I have added most of the info we've discovered to see if i can make it fit.
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I don't yet see Thomas, Mary Ann and Arthur F together in 1881. I wonder if they ventured abroad?
Richard
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Baptism register 1835 has Thomas, son of James and Mary
(5th on left) http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=548459&iid=299900
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Thanks Geoff.
I wonder if the Henry Slator, 42 in the 1881 census in Lambeth (above) was also a son of James and Mary? It says he was born in Rippingale.
Richard
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Thanks Geoff.
I wonder if the Henry Slator, 42 in the 1881 census in Lambeth (above) was also a son of James and Mary? It says he was born in Rippingale.
Yes indeed, actually 11 June 1837 (7th on left)
http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=513748&iid=320633
also 20 Oct 1838 John William, son of late James and Mary (6th on left)
http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=513748&iid=320638
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Great. That appears to confirm the connection between Henry Slator and Mary (Charlotta) in the 1881 Lambeth census. She is his sister-in-law rather than his sister.
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Records compiled by Robert Moseley Bryce Thomas about the Thomas family state that Thomas was the son of Henry Slator of London and that Thomas was born in London. He may have got that information from Thomas Slator himself.
Am I (a) doubting Thomas? ;)
Thanks
Richard
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Hi in 1891 census we have this possible for Mary C:-
Mary C T SLATON 58 Widow occ Ladys Companion b Newport, Pembroke
Residing at Picton Terrace, Carmarthen
Census Ref RG12/4512/9/12
Also if the Arthur F Slater is 1 month rather than 10 month old in 1871 census and going by the baptism also we have:-
Arthur Frederick Slater June qtr 1871 Chorlton v 09C page 655 mmn Nightingale
1861 Census
Mary A Nightingale 18 b Bolton with parents John/Sarah and siblings at 1, Henry Street, Manchester
Census Ref RG09/2931/111/41
Keyboard86
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Thanks very much Keyboard. I now have the "missing" census records for Mary Charlotta in 1871, 1881 and 1891.
She died in 1907 and there's no mention of a husband or sons in the newspaper article about her funeral.
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I found a marriage between a Thomas Slator and a Mary Ann Reed in Q June 1869 in Bolton that I thought would fit. I'll have to explore further.
We're still missing the elusive Thomas Slator. ???
Richard
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:) Always check the next available census ie Thomas Slater married the Sarah Critchley and Mary Ann Reed married the James Archer by the looks of it?
It is if a Mary Ann Nightingale ever married Thomas Slater that needs to be located?!
Keyboard86
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Yes. I'd just deleted that Mary Ann Reed entry, but then I found ...
1881 Census with Mary Ann Hague 36, daughter of John and Sarah Nightingale and two daughters.
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In Q June 1866 in Manchester, Mary Ann Nightingale appears to have married Abraham S Hague. ???
Hmmm.
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:) Well that has opened up a can of worms!
The Ada b c 1873 has mmn Nightingale it is the Sarah A b 1868/9 that I cannot locate?
Keyboard86
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OK so in 1871 census we have:-
Abraham Hauge 28 occ Mechanic b Oldham
Mary Ann 26 b Bolton
Sarah Ann 2
Residing at Raglan Street, Manchester
Census ref RG10/4031/141/47
Keyboard86
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But we also had in 1871:
Thomas Slater 35 occ Tea Agent b Gedney, Lincolnshire
Mary Ann 27 b Bolton
Arthur F 10 months b Manchester
Residing at Chorlton upon Medlock, Manchester
Census Ref RG10/3989/117/17
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with Arthur F(rederick) the son of Mary Ann Nightingale. :-\
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;D That's the can of worms!
Keyboard86
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Abraham S Hague also disappeared in that I can't find him on the FreeBMD index and a tree on Anc***** doesn't seem to know what happened to him.
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I think I'll take a break and hope for a "Aha" moment. ::)
Thanks for all your help Keyboard.
Richard
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Hi again there is a birth registration of a Sarah Ann HAIGH June qtr 1869 Manchester 08D 264 mmn Bellhouse
Marriage Abraham Haigh to possibly Amelia Bellhouse June qtr 1868 Manchester 8d 533
Keyboard86
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There seems to be another Mary Ann Nightingale baptised 30th June 1844 in Bolton-le-Moors, the daughter of Joseph, a spinner of Little Bolton, and Betty.
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I'll follow that line.
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OH GOSH! Between Q Sept 1843 and Q June 1844 there are FOUR birth records for a Mary Ann Nightingale in Bolton alone - and another in Blackburn!
YIKES! ::)
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Hi still striving to locate a birth registration for Thomas H b c 1858 Paddington?
But, Lewelyn James Slator June qtr 1860 Kensington 1a 1 mmn Thomas
Keyboard86
Hi again, see you have had great help with Thomas H in the USA, thought I would bump this up because frankly the Slaters/Slators are doing my head in!
Can anyone locate a birth registration for Thomas H in Paddington area mmn Thomas, also what happened to Llewellyn James/James Llewellyn post 1871, and of course the possible Arthur Frederick Slater b 1871 Manchester?
Cannot locate in later returns in UK
Keyboard86
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I have a Mary Slator (b: aprox. 1830 Whaplode) dau. of Jesse Slator & Tyra Bowent.
These are a brick wall for me.
Gedney and Whaplode are very close so could possibly be related?