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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tyrone => Topic started by: PippaR on Monday 30 January 17 03:30 GMT (UK)
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Can you please help by providing me a GRO/PRONI number for the death of Annie A Garrity as I haven’t located her on any of my searches.
Annie A Brennan was born in Trillick, Tyrone 24 Dec 1895. (parents Hugh and Anne).
Annie married Charles Garrity in Kilskeery, Tyrone 15 Nov 1920, registration Irvinestown,
The 1939 register has Charles living at 10 Clare Street, Manchester but no mention of Annie. Charles died in Manchester 1977.
(PS. Annie Garrity, death in Dromore 1939 is the mother of Charles, aged 73).
I don't know if she passed prior to his move to Manchester but I can't locate a record there either.
Would appreciate your input thanks.
PippaR
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If she died in Northern Ireland then GRONI is the place to search- sounds like you've used their online database? if not-
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
Have you checked English deaths after 1939 in case she and Charles were living separately?
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Thanks, yes I've checked nidirect and also the free bmd uk, ancestry, rootsireland and can't find her anywhere. There are some with similar names, but the ages are way out and my skill level doesn't extend beyond that so I simply don't know how to resolve it. I considered a remarriage, but not sure how to go about that other than the obvious ancestry searches.
Anyhow, I appreciate your input.
Cheers, PippaR
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The Charles at 10 Clare Road seems to be there with a wife, Bridget. Are you certain he is 'your' Charles?
Just checked again, and Bridget may be the wife of the other adult , Hugh. Either way, Charles is indexed as married. Perhaps his wife was elsewhere (eg hospital). But then again, if you view original, it looks like W rather than M, so perhaps widowed after all.
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Re the register, this is definitely the right person. Hugh is his brother and married to a Beatrice Eccles at his own place of abode. Until yesterday I assumed the child (John Charles who died in 1964) belonged to Charles but I'll need to confirm that in case he belonged to Bridget. Can't find a birth for him with mother (Brennan) on the bmduk site. I don't know who Bridget is. She's not a sibling, or sister in law. Can't locate a marriage to Charles. I was hoping a death cert for Annie might solve it all but ????????? ..... PS. this is driving me closer to madness than I am already.
Thanks for your time,
PippaR
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Have you considered the Annie Garrety death in Irvinestown on 5th May 1930? Aged 34, so a good, potential fit.
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No I hadn't come across that, but I'll certainly check follow that through.... a ray of sunshine, thanks heaps.
PippaR
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Yes, that's her alright, died in Trillick with husband Charles present.
Thank you all so very much. Well done.
PippaR
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Another piece for the jigsaw! Good to hear.
Have you considered that 'Bridget' in the 1939, may actually have been 'Beatrice' (perhaps person capturing the info misheard her name), or are you aware of Beatrice elsewhere? The record seems to have been re-numbered from original written order, to show her as '2', between Hugh and the blanked out child. Or, could Beatrice have already died (no obvious death entry though), or have just left, and Bridget be a 'second wife'?
John C(harles) Garrity , born Dec 1933, is re-numbered as '4', so immediately after Hugh, Beatrice and blanked out child . I can see a John C Garrity birth entry in the 1st quarter of 1934, with mother's maiden name 'Plunkett', but not seeing a corresponding marriage so far. There is another male child born 1932 to same parents. Both Stockport district, which nowadays is Greater Manchester area. You said John Charles Garrity died in 1964, so his death certificate might provide some answers.
I also notice 6 Births to Garrity/Eccles parents in Bolton district between 1927 and 1937. As Hugh and Beatrice married in Bolton district in 1928 and I can't see another Garrity/Eccles marriage in area for same timescale, were these their children? Where are they in 1939 (I can see two possible infant deaths for the two given same first name)?
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Beatrice Eccles Garrity married Albert Ingle in 1958 but on the 1939 register, at 18 Varley Road, her name is recorded as Beatrice (Ingle) Garrity. When Hugh died in 1940, his will left all to his widow Beatrice Garrity. If he and Beatrice were recently separated, but still married, then Bridget may well have been the ‘intended’ spouse.
1939 register for 18 Varley Road, Bolton.
Beatrice (Ingle) Garrity 1 Jun 1900
Hugh Garrity 19 October 1888
George A Garrity, 14 December 1936
The birth record I have for Hugh Garrity, has DOB 27 Oct 1892 Crossan Tyrone, reg in Irvinestown. (except for 4 years, pretty close)!!
My family tree now has been thrown into absolute chaos. It’s going to take some (more) time trying to fathom this one out and where John Charles fits into the picture. I need more than a good nights sleep.
I (still) do appreciate all your input, thanks.
PippaR
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Beatrice Eccles Garrity married Albert Ingle in 1958 but on the 1939 register, at 18 Varley Road, her name is recorded as Beatrice (Ingle) Garrity.
PippaR
The 1939 register doesn't just capture information as at 1939. In some cases, as here, later dated information is added. Look at the ink colour the 'Ingle' is written in and look at the date of the corresponding ink colour on same line. This lets you see that the 1939 record was 'updated' in 1959.
My family tree now has been thrown into absolute chaos.
Right, now that is out of the way, on to the 'confusion', which, by a process of elimination, we can hopefully help to lesson.
a) The Hugh at 10 Clare Street and the Hugh at 18 Varley Road have different dates of birth and different occupations, so as you would expect, given a person should only be registered once, would seem to be entirely different people. Did you think they were the same person?
b) Did the presence of a male Eccles at Clare Street cause you to believe the Hugh there was the one married to a Beatrice Eccles?
c) Who is actually on your main ancestral line (or the main line of the person you are researching on behalf of, if applicable)? That is to say, is it a Charles Garrity and so you are also looking for him and his potential siblings/spouse/offspring, or is it a Hugh Garrity, and you are looking for him and any of his potential siblings/spouse/offspring? Which Garrity, if neither a Charles or a Hugh, is your 'starting point', ie the one you know from personal knowledge or family records is 'yours' and that you are working back from?
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Hi scotmum, In response to questions a) and b), the answer is yes so a complete rethink/re-direction and cert ordering (regrettably). Is it possible to respond privately to appropriately answer question c)?
Cheers, PippaR
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Thanks for all your help; it will be sorted for sure.
regards, PippaR
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Hi scotmum, In response to questions a) and b), the answer is yes so a complete rethink/re-direction and cert ordering (regrettably). Is it possible to respond privately to appropriately answer question c)?
Cheers, PippaR
You can use the PM system (small letter in circle tab beneath username).
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If it helps at all, Albert Ingle who Beatrice married in 1958 is my grandfather. They lived on Briery Street in Lancaster.
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Thanks for your input Karen, I appreciate it. I've had such help from using this media as 'researchers' know the addiction to family puzzle solving!!
I have now located the correct Hugh Garrity, that is, the one born in 1892 and wife Bridget. However, I have remained perplexed by the fact there was a Patrick Eccles at this same location and wondered if the 1888 Hugh Garrity had been a cousin, but didn't pursue it further.
cheers, PippaR