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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Stirlingshire => Topic started by: PaulFincken on Tuesday 31 January 17 20:28 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find the marriage of William Forsyth to Helen (I don't have the surname of Helen).
I have checked ScotlandPeople and can find 5 marriages which have a William Forsyth marrying a Helen between 1843 and 1847.
Both William and Helen were born around St Ninians. I believe Helen was born around 1827.
Of the 5 marriages on ScotlandPeople, I cant see any details which can narrow it down for me.
I do know William and Helen had a family consisting of Alexander (b 1847), Helen (b 1848), Margaret (b 1850), Jane (b 1852), William (b 1856) and George (b 1860).
Any pointers to help find which Helen is the correct one and which marriage is the probable marriage would be great.
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Have you looked for the marriages of any of the children as that will give you Helen's maiden name?
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Have you looked for William & George's births on SP as they will also give her maiden name
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Not yet. Alexander is the only confirmed marriage I have . He married Jane Cunningham from Ireland, and his children were born in USA!!!
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I have added to my original reply re: childrens births
He married Jane Cunningham from Ireland,
Did they marry in Scotland or Ireland or the USA?
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Drew a blank on SP. Searched for all the children and nothing shows with a father of William!!!!
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Searched for all the children and nothing shows with a father of William
I have just searched SP index and there is an 1860 birth for a George Forsyth in Holytown
George was b Bothwell according to the 1861 entry and was a year old. The 1861 entry shows Holytown as the Registration District
There is no other 1861 entry for a George Forsyth born 1860 Bothwell or anywhere else in Lanarkshire so have you viewed that entry and if so - who are the parents?
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I have now found Helen, Alexander and Margaret all with parents William Forsyth and Ellen Whyte
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I seem to recall I gave you that marriage from FS on a previous post ???
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Yes - reply 9 on this post
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=764063.9
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Thanks. Just re challenging the info I had from 2008. Some of the links in my original tree appear wrong. So starting again remaking the connections
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Thanks for this.......I now obviously have the correct person and the right marriage.....looking in Scotland People I have the transcript from the parish record date 7th December 1845. However, there are no details of parents etc - purely just the details of the bride and groom.
I have checked the census from 1841 and can find 4 Williams in the correct age range. However, they are listed as living in Renfrew, Roxborough, Midlothian and Berwick. Previously I had assumed the record from Renfrew was the match - showing father as Ezekiel. However I have no concrete evidence that this is correct.
Does anyone know how I can confirm the parents of William considering the earliest census we can get is 1841 and marriages were not statutory until 1855.
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When did he die? If he died from 1855 onwards his parents names and mothers maiden name will be on his death cert
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Sorry I don't have an age or date of death. Currently searching ScotlandPeople but cant narrow it down to the correct death.
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Check the censuses for him to see which is the last he appears on - that will help narrow it down
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He was still alive in
1881 1891
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Have a look at the 1894 death in Dennistoun
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Thank you attached. Attached is the image of the death record. Looks like father is Alexander Forsyth (typical there is a white mark through the name) and mother looks like Margaret Forsyth (cant make out the maiden name).
The death was registered by William (son)
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Have you checked FS for a possible parental marriage before 1823? Christian name is clear and surname could possibly be Aitken or similar
1841 has an Alexander Forsyth 55 living with a Helen Aiken in St Ninians
You could also check SP Old Parish Registers for a marriage
https://familysearch.org/search
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I always have problems using FS......for some reason I always get 100's of records returned.
I suppose I could try the 1841 census for an Alexander with wife Margaret.
Searching Scotland People brings back a possible 3 or 4 marriages.
Also searching deaths of Alexander with wife Margaret....and various census
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SP birth for William 1823 clearly shows her surname as Aitken
I suppose I could try the 1841 census for an Alexander with wife Margaret.
By 1841 one or both could be dead - see my reply above re: 1841 entry
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IMPORTANT
That 1823 birth was registered in Bothwell Lanarkshire - not Stirlingshire/St Ninians
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Thanks for that info.
Using Bothwell and looking for Margaret and Alexander I get one returned result.
In terms of marriages the only Margaret Aitken to Marry a Forsyth was 1808 and that was a Andrew in Barony.
Just widening the search a little by taking first names out.
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Looks like on all sites (FS, Scotland People, and Ancestry), the only Margaret Aitken marrying a Forsyth is 1808.
I have 2 children born to Margaret Aitken and Alexander Forsyth (William and Helen)
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There was a great deal of uncertainty in your previous posts - are you absolutely sure you are now researching the right family?
The point I was making in my earlier reply is that you state
Re: William Forsyth (b 23/04/1823)
However - you are now researching a William Forsyth born St Ninians Stirlingshire which does not tie in with a Lanarkshire birth
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Thanks. Just found a public tree on Ancestry who have William b 23/04/1823 son of Alexander and Margaret Aitken
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What is William's birthplace on the tree?
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They have it as St Ninians. They also have a sister to William called Helen who married another William Forsyth!!! His parents are James Forsyth and Jane Aitken.
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So how can somebody born in St Ninians Stirlingshire have their birth registered in Bothwell Lanarkshire?
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On the family tree on Ancestry they have Alexander living around Lanark, but moving between Bothwell and Stirlng several times.....I can only assume one of the connections is wrong, the parents were in a location other than home when the baby was born. Looking on map the two locations are not far apart, and it appears the whole family had connections in both places.
The tree the other person has built has lots of scripts and documents from various sources, including residency documents