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My Grandfather Joseph Harris was born 8 January 1910. Joseph was born in the infirmary part of the Birmingham Workhouse in Dudley Road. His birth was registered by a T.M. Hardie who was the Master of the Infirmary at that time. He was married to Doris May Owen, they married on 16 Dec 1935 in Birmingham Registry Office. I know they were not together when I was a child, as I only met him once. I am interested to find out what happened to him and when he died. I have tried looking for him and not got very far, so he is a mystery. His father was William John George Harris and Mother Rose Stamford.
Any help would be appreciated.
Regards
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Hello Haedi
I have just had a look at the 1939 Register. There is a Joseph Harris b1910 in Birmingham with Doris M b 1914.
Is this your man?
Jackie
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Do you mind telling us your year of birth, or tell us the year that you met your grandfather?
Is your parent or any of their siblings still alive and may they be able to help you with information about their father?
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My Grandfather Joseph Harris was born 8 January 1910. Joseph was born in the infirmary part of the Birmingham Workhouse in Dudley Road. His birth was registered by a T.M. Hardie who was the Master of the Infirmary at that time. He was married to Doris May Owen, they married on 16 Dec 1935 in Birmingham Registry Office. I know they were not together when I was a child, as I only met him once. I am interested to find out what happened to him and when he died. I have tried looking for him and not got very far, so he is a mystery. His father was William John George Harris and Mother Rose Stamford.
Any help would be appreciated.
This is his death entry dob matches you can obtain certificates from GRO
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
Joseph HARRIS born 8 Jan 1910
Death quarter 1
Death year 1982
District Birmingham Warwickshire
Volume 32 Page 0930
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Hi Jackiemh.
Thank you for your message. It is possible, but his birth date was the 8 January 1910, of course either way it could be a day or two out on records. So it is possible.
Hi Ruskie. I was born 21st April 1962. I cannot remember the year I met him, but I would have been about 10 years old.
I am told that he was in WWII and the reason that he and my Grandmother split, was because he came back from the war a different man. Unfortunately I am not in touch with the family at all.
Hi Ladyhawk.
Thank you for that information.
I wonder if he went on to have other children.
I know he had my mother Janet Margaret Harris, My Aunt Joan and my uncle Jonathan before they split up.
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Hi Ruskie. I was born 21st April 1962. I cannot remember the year I met him, but I would have been about 10 years old.
I am told that he was in WWII and the reason that he and my Grandmother split, was because he came back from the war a different man. Unfortunately I am not in touch with the family at all.
You have the same birth day and month as the Queen. ;)
Do you know if your grandparents divorced?
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Hi Ruskie.
Yes I am on the Queens and my brother is on Prince Phillips :o.
I have a feeling they never got divorced, well that was the story in the family, but I am not sure. I know if that could make it difficult to find out if he had any other children or relationships.
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Perhaps if you obtain his death certificate the informant might be a family member, it
should also give an address and his occupation
You could check Electoral Rolls to see who was living at that address
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Hi Ruskie.
Yes I am on the Queens and my brother is on Prince Phillips :o.
;D
Did Joseph have an older brother George and an older sister Rose? If so they are on the 1911 census in Birmingham with Father William.
I know you are looking for Joseph's whereabouts between his separation and his death but I thought the above might add to the bigger picture if you don't already have the information.
Depending on how interested you are in his military service, you can apply for his service records but it will cost you £30. There may be some clues there about the time he spent in WW2 which may confirm the family stories. Let me know if you would like information about how to apply for his service records.
What was Joseph's occupation?
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Hi Ruskie.
I Have had a look through the tree and he did have a brother named George, but no mention of a sister.
Joseph was a Aluminium Spinner in 1935.
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Did Joseph have an older brother George and an older sister Rose?
If so they are on the 1911 census in Birmingham with Father William.
I can't find George & Rose Harris on GRO Indexes with mmn STAMFORD ???
Joseph HARRIS mmn STAMFORD
1910 M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 53
Do you know when Joseph's parents married?
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I Have had a look through the tree and he did have a brother named George, but no mention of a sister.
When and where was George born?
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Ladyhawk, there is a birth in Birmingham in 1912 for a Florence Harris mmn Stanford, so perhaps a search Sta*ford, might find them. Up to the 1911 census there should be 6. Presumably the other three were still births so would not be registered. :(
No earlier births on freebmd as mmn was only included from 1911.
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Thank you Ruskie - I found this birth entry and wondered
George HARRIS mmn STANFIELD
1907 M Quarter in ASTON Volume 06D Page 362
for info. can be ruled out this Rose middle name Ellen she was born similar
date as the other Rose
Rose E STANFIELD born c1881 Aston can be found living 6 Montague St Aston Warwickshire in 1891 with her 5 siblings and her widowed father George and his mother in law Anna Wilkins
RG12; Piece: 2436; Folio: 76; Page: 33 & at
21 Sutherland St Aston Manor in 1901 with her father George and 3 siblings
RG13; Piece: 2888; Folio: 25; Page: 42
marriage entry for his parents
Jun 1903 Aston
William John HARRIS
Female name on same page
Rose Ellen STANFIELD
My Grandfather Joseph Harris was born 8 January 1910.
Joseph was born in the infirmary part of the Birmingham Workhouse in Dudley Road.
His father was William John George Harris and Mother Rose Stamford.
I still cannot find a marriage for a
William John George HARRIS to Rose STAMFORD though ??? Perhaps they did not marry :-\
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Very similar names aren't they? :)
The same area too.
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My Grandfather Joseph Harris was born 8 January 1910.
He was married to D M Owen, they married on 16 Dec 1935 in Birmingham Registry Office.
I know you are primarily looking for more info. on Joseph - you don't mention if his wife died I have just added the initials for her name just in case......
If this her death doesn't look as if she remarried
D M HARRIS born 9 Oct 1914 age 90
Jul 2005 Sandwell West Midlands
Register Number: A79 District and Subdistrict: 070/1A Entry Number: 14
If the above is correct this could be the corresponding birth entry
D M OWEN mmn PRITCHARD
Registration Year: 1914
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Birmingham Warwickshire
Volume: 6d Page: 305
You could use the above dob to look at 1939 register (it's free to search but you need to have
a subscription to view details)
Do you have their 1935 marriage certificate?
What was their address?
What was her age, her father's name and occupation?
ADDED - if you'd rather not add the info. on your thread that's ok
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Hi LadyHawk.
I am sorry I should have said about Doris May Owen his wife (my Grandmother). She died at the age of 90 around 2004.
D M HARRIS born 9 Oct 1914 age 90
Jul 2005 Sandwell West Midlands
Register Number: A79 District and Subdistrict: 070/1A Entry Number: 14
This would be her I am thinking. Her mother was Elizabeth Pritchard,who was married to Caleb Owen.
I have an online copy of their marriage certificate, but the address is hard to read. It looks like Joseph was at Number 2 something, Alfred Street? Aston and Doris was in 3, Back 117, Prescott Street, Brookfields, Birmingham.
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Hi LadyHawk.
On the information about Rose Stamford. I have found that it is either stamford or stanfield. Her middle name was Ellen. She was born about 1881 and her parents were named as George and Ellen. It gets confusing when the surnames do not match. But It could be either spelling.
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Hi LadyHawk.
I am sorry I should have said about Doris May Owen his wife (my Grandmother). She died at the age of 90 around 2004.
D M HARRIS born 9 Oct 1914 age 90
Jul 2005 Sandwell West Midlands
Register Number: A79 District and Subdistrict: 070/1A Entry Number: 14
This would be her I am thinking. Her mother was Elizabeth Pritchard,who was married to Caleb Owen.
I have an online copy of their marriage certificate, but the address is hard to read. It looks like Joseph was at Number 2 something, Alfred Street? Aston and Doris was in 3, Back 117, Prescott Street, Brookfields, Birmingham.
19th May 1934 at All Saints Parish Church her brother Edward Frederick Owen married and his address 3/117 Prescott Street she was one of the witnesses he died 1962
Do you have access to Anc*y to look at the info. yourself?
I've added these in case
Caleb Alfred Owen born 13 Nov 1908
Baptism Date: 6 Dec 1908 Birmingham, St Paul, Warwickshire
Father: Caleb Owen
Mother: Elizabeth Owen above 3 Taylor’s Buildings, Victoria Street
Edward Frederick Owen born 30 Jun 1910
Baptism Date: 17 Jul 1910 Birmingham, St George, Warwickshire
Father: Caleb Owen
Mother: Elizabeth Owen abode 2 Back St Barr Street
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Hi LadyHawk.
On the information about Rose Stamford. I have found that it is either stamford or stanfield. Her middle name was Ellen.
She was born about 1881 and her parents were named as George and Ellen.
It gets confusing when the surnames do not match. But It could be either spelling.
Using the free search 1939 register for a William J HARRIS & Rose E HARRIS in Birmingham CB
Came up with this record
William J Harris 1882
Rose E Harris 1880
And 1 more person on this record
there's also this birth entry
Thomas J Harris Mother's Maiden Name: Stanfield
Mar 1915 Birmingham Warwickshire
Volume: 6d Page: 553