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My grandmother was Mary Ann (Minnie) McFadden born circa 1896 possibly Ballycregagh Ballymoney. She was born to William and Ann(a) Eliza either Taggart/Teggert (possibly Mc before either), McTeague or McTague. Have just discovered the name McFadden was assumed by her father William when he was really McCaldridge. Her siblings William, Alexander, George, James, Martha all on FamilySearch as M'Aldridge. Minnie and her older sister Jane (Jeannie) untraceable on any ancestry database re births. I find a William McCaldridge married to Anna Eliza ? on an old rootschat thread in 1896 so older girls possibly illegitimate. Jeannie married John Hickinson of Dervock. Any help on what their names might have been appreciated. Want Grandma's birth cert so cannot get it without surname. Also see old thread refers to McCaldridge becoming Alexander and contributers wonder why change, I also wonder why to McFadden. We too have Alexander in each generation of our family forenames.
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Was George born 1901?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01935/1748689.pdf
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For reference-
Marriage (1896)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10504/5825756.pdf
William McAldridge (1898)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02087/1795840.pdf
John McAldridge (1899)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02043/1782336.pdf
Martha McAldridge (1900)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/02010/1772211.pdf
George McAldridge (1901)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01935/1748689.pdf
James McAldridge (1904)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01830/1715070.pdf
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William and Anne marriage 1896
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10504/5825756.pdf
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1901 census- Jane (6) & Mary Ann (4)-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ballycregagh/Ballycregagh_Lower/944900
1911 census- family are now Presbyterian-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballycregagh/Drumnafivey/128740
Martha McFadden-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Dervock/Ballynafeigh/129169
Jane McFadden-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Dervock/Livery__Lower/129309
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Some variations of Alexander in Ballymoney area listed in this thread-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,359087.0.html
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Sincere thanks to Sinann and Aghadowey for providing the breakthrough that I needed. The marriage cert show that my Great-grandmother was indeed Taggart, but from Ballyoglagh, not Loughguile as my Mother had always believed.
The whole name change scenario became more interesting when I received this info, and delved deeper. My Great-grandfather, known as William McFadden, was married as William McCaldridge, but his birth reg found just tonight shows him as William Alexander born 15/11/74 to William Alexander and spouse Mary Ann McFadden at Knockannbery (Knockanavery?). He had three surnames in a lifetime, finally adopting his Mother's maiden name! I feel we have skeletons in our closet.
Thanks for research into his children's registrations, and I confirm that George whilst noted as a different age on 1911 census appears to have been born in 1901 - unfortunately I have not yet found any of his family.
I sadly conclude that my Grandmother Minnie and her older sister Jane/Jeannie were not registered at birth - Grandma was born in 1896, her parents marriage in December of that year render her illegitimate as was Jane. I think they were never registered and I have a copy of Bushvale register of their joint adult baptism. However sites provided last night on RootsChat have allowed me to have a copy of my Grandparents marriage cert Bushvale 15 Nov 1918 Minnie McFadden to John Gordon.
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If Jane and Minnie were born before their parents/mother married then they would most likely be registered under mother's surname.
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Have used the ancestry sites mentioned here to no avail for birth registrations for Jean and Mary Ann (Minnie) McFadden, alias McCaldridge, Alexander probably born Taggart. 1892 - 1897 span used.
Am now wondering how many people called William McCaldrige lived in latter half of 19th century north Antrim, as William Mc Calrige was married to Nancy McFadden with a daughter Jane baptised at Croagh in 1869, per FamilySearch, not sure if related, and William my ancestor was born William Alexander 1875 son of William Alexander and Mary Ann McFadden of Knockanavery, approx 10 miles away and reverted to his father's name McCaldrige for a time. Could this be the father of both who married two McFadden brides?
Any info welcome.
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When looking at the LDS records you need to be careful. Sometimes the place of birth will be listed as 'Ireland', 'County Antrim', the registration district, sub-registration or townland.
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Sincere thanks to Sinann and Aghadowey for providing the breakthrough that I needed. The marriage cert show that my Great-grandmother was indeed Taggart, but from Ballyoglagh, not Loughguile as my Mother had always believed.
The whole name change scenario became more interesting when I received this info, and delved deeper. My Great-grandfather, known as William McFadden, was married as William McCaldridge, but his birth reg found just tonight shows him as William Alexander born 15/11/74 to William Alexander and spouse Mary Ann McFadden at Knockannbery (Knockanavery?). He had three surnames in a lifetime, finally adopting his Mother's maiden name! I feel we have skeletons in our closet.
Thanks for research into his children's registrations, and I confirm that George whilst noted as a different age on 1911 census appears to have been born in 1901 - unfortunately I have not yet found any of his family.
I sadly conclude that my Grandmother Minnie and her older sister Jane/Jeannie were not registered at birth - Grandma was born in 1896, her parents marriage in December of that year render her illegitimate as was Jane. I think they were never registered and I have a copy of Bushvale register of their joint adult baptism. However sites provided last night on RootsChat have allowed me to have a copy of my Grandparents marriage cert Bushvale 15 Nov 1918 Minnie McFadden to John Gordon.
My wife is also a granddaughter of Minnie and John - are you able to post a link to both their Baptism and the Marriage Certificate. You have enabled us to go back one generation further than we had previously. Many thanks
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Have taken advice about LDS site on board and have had interesting results. By seeking William McCaldridge I have found that he can be located on LDS under a birth and baptism record for Jane McCaldrige (no 2nd d) 12 March 1869 with mother/his spouse Nancy Jane McFadden. Location Croagh, Ant, Ireland. Input of Croagh, Ant, Ireland reveals Nancy Jane having a child Elizabeth born/baptised 9 Aug 1865 without a husband, and having a third, Sarah Jane baptised with father/her spouse William Denham on 3 Jan 1872. Denham is not in NI census returns 1901 or 1911.
My ancestor William McCaldrige married a Mary Ann McFadden in 1874 when his surname was Alexander. Could the brides be related? I believe that sisters could not marry the same man until late 20th century, but with two surnames he would have gone undetected. Perhaps Nancy Jane and he were not formally married. I think it is her marriage that is listed in LDS in 1871.
Sadly these records are not available from images on the irishgenealogy.ie site in scanned form yet, and in order to obtain them I have to pay by credit card with all card details in post - risky. Any advice on accessing them locally or paying other way?
Would anyone recognise LDS format Croagh, Ant, Ireland as being of a particular denomination?
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Another misleading thing about Irish LDS records is the database called "Irish births and baptisms" as many are from the civil birth registrations and nothing to do with church records.
If this is the record for Jane McCaldrige that you found then it is an extract from the civil record- Croagh is the sub-district so no connection to any religion-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPY2-YXP
The record for Elizabeth is also a birth extract-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR9K-KJ1
as is the entry for Sarah Denham-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPB7-YVZ
You can view the certificates on GRONI's website after registering and purchasing a few credits-
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
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Actually, Sarah's birth is online- townland is Drumtullagh and the record indicates that the parents were married and father registered the birth-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03264/2196278.pdf
Jane's birth also online- her parents were not married and father living Carnkirk and mother ? -
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03399/2246379.pdf
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Here's Elizabeth's birth-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03565/2313146.pdf
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HI i am trying to do my family tree. Any help would be much appreciated as I am new to this. I would be William Mc Caldriges great grand daughter.
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HI i am trying to do my family tree. Any help would be much appreciated as I am new to this. I would be William Mc Caldriges great grand daughter.
Welcome to the world of genealogy. You can have a lot of fun, meet great people (like the ones I've found on this site), find long lost relatives AND waste a lot of time.
If you are just starting out, I recommend in this digital age, that you use family tree software. My choice is to use Family Tree Builder from https://www.myheritage.com/family-tree-builder - the great advantage is that its free. This will enable you to explore the world.
Another piece of advice is not to rush in and join a commercial site like Ancestry, until you have explored the "free" information out there.
Now, which William McAldrige are we talking about as your ggf? The one born in 1874? or the one married in 1874?
If it's William McFadden (born Alexander), that puts you in the same generation as my wife and Sandel1 on this site
Cheers
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Rowan33
Like pvmcguire I wonder which of the William's is your ancestor. I am daughter of Molly, whose Mother Mary Ann (Minnie) was the daughter of William McFadden (his assumed name) born Alexander and married as William McCaldridge in Bushvale near Stranocum Ballymoney. He may be the son of William McCaldridge who fathered Jane McFadden between Bushmills and Dervock in 1869 as his father was William Alexander married 1874. Any help in unravelling this appreciated.
Like my friend above I recommend free sites and a pen and notebook to start. The 1901 census and 1911 census Ireland are invaluable, just check all spellings and mis-spellings! I also use the LDS Family Search as it is free, and irishgeneaology.ie civil records mostly as they enhance what is on Family Search particularly when you can get scanned images.
If you are outside the area, an old Ordnance Survey map is helpful too! I joined MyHeritage where you can build a limited free tree, and Ancestry.co.uk but have suspended membership as I ran out of leads. Intend to rejoin with more info. Have fun!
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I am the grand daughter of Alexander McFadden who was Minnies brother. Tried tonight to get Nancy and Mary Ann's birth dates but no joy.
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Can you provide Nancy and Mary Ann's surnames and approx birth dates - have discovered not all births got registered in our family circle.
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Your grandfather's dob would be helpful - I can't find his birth in either the GRONI or Irishgenealogy index
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Alexander mc caldrige/mcfadden dob is Sept 1905.
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Nancy Jane McFadden dob ant 1835 and Mary Ann McFadden dob ant 1844.
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Alexander mc caldrige/mcfadden dob is Sept 1905.
That's very interesting. Even though they were McFaddens, they still used the name McCaldridge.
Looks like he was born on 30 July 1905 at Ballycraigagh.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01776/1698177.pdf
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I always heard Gran talking about her brother Sandy! Her second youngest son was Alex, called for him and we have a Sandra in the family also called after that line.
May I ask if Mary Ann and Nancy Jane were sisters, or related in some way, and did they both have children with the William McCaldridge/Alexander? I know that Nancy Jane's family were associated with Toberkeigh Presbyterian Church.
And can I ask the source of the two approx years of birth? I have got no joy either in seeking Mary Ann - uncertain if Mary Jane was actually related. By the way, is Mary Jane's daughter Jane the mother of a young soldier Malcolm McFadden commemorated for being lost without trace at the Somme? If so there is a lovely UlsterScots poem by a Jordan Mogey on a dedicated facebook page.
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Ancestry.co.uk free searches all weekend commencing 18 Feb 17.
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Probably very little on Ancestry that will help find details of the family in Ireland.
'Malcam' McFadden (transcribed as age 11 but original looks like 17) 'servant' in Taggart household in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Drumtullagh/Moycraig__Upper/114022
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001345153/
Commonwealth War Graves entry- Son of Mrs. Jane McFadden, of Mosside, Stranocum, Co. Antrim. Died 1916 and age given as 23 so born c1893 which is a big diffrence from 1911 census!
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/802684/McFADDEN,%20MALCOLM
Commemorated Roll of Honour in Mosside Presbyterian Church-
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~econnolly/rohpci/rohmosside.html
Write up and photo of him in uniform in Ballymoney Heroes 1914-1918 by Robert Thompson.
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Malcolm Thompson born 1893 Moycraig son of Samuel Thompson & Jane McFadden-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1893/02285/1857584.pdf
Interestingly there's an 1898 marriage for a Jane McFadden, Carnmoon, daughter of Malcolm McFadden, to Patrick Coyle in 1898-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10422/5794986.pdf
Added- Malcolm McFadden, etc. in 1901 (took a while to find as badly transcribed)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Drumtullagh/Moycraig_Lower/922716
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'Malcam' McFadden (transcribed as age 11 but original looks like 17) 'servant' in Taggart household in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Drumtullagh/Moycraig__Upper/114022
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001345153/
I looked 1911 census and wonder if he is one and same and the 11 on 2011 census was bad 17. No word of father here though. Under McFadden household Drumtullagh.
Commonwealth War Graves entry- Son of Mrs. Jane McFadden, of Mosside, Stranocum, Co. Antrim. Died 1916 and age given as 23 so born c1893 which is a big diffrence from 1911 census!
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/802684/McFADDEN,%20MALCOLM
Commemorated Roll of Honour in Mosside Presbyterian Church-
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~econnolly/rohpci/rohmosside.html
Write up and photo of him in uniform in Ballymoney Heroes 1914-1918 by Robert Thompson.
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Did you mean to post something? all that's come up is my post incorrectly quoted :-\
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Sorry Aghadowey - was trying to pick up that addition about Malcolm from 1901 census, don't know what happened, have L plates on as yet with this system!
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Yes, all a bit confusing trying to find Malcolm McFadden- birth as Thompson, 1901 and 1911 as McFadden (mother's maiden name).
Haven't yet found Samuel Thompson/Jane McFadden marriage (as indicated on Malcolm's birth certificate), birth of brother William McFadden (as in 1901 census- checked under McFadden, Thompson & Coyle), etc.
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Malcolm McFadden Sr. died 1894- informant son John McFadden
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05960/4693910.pdf
married 1868 Jane Wilkinson
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZT-FBY
children-
Isabella (1869) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FP62-P2P
Thomas (1871) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5F9-GF7
Mary Jane (1873) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR9Q-GXY
Neal (1875) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZ5-R35
Probate of the Will of Malcolm M'Fadden late of Lower Moyeraig County Antrim Farmer who died 13 August 1894 granted at Belfast to William Kennedy and John Donaghy both of Lower Moycraig Farmers. Will mentions son John, daughter Sarah, granddaughter Jane
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Is this John McFadden?
McFadden John of Cloonty Dervock county Antrim farmer died 14 April 1941 at Castlecatt Bushmills said county Administration Belfast 20 June to Jane Adams married woman. Effects £206 15s.
GRONI shows his age as 81 which fits with 1901 census.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Drumtullagh/Moycraig_Lower/922716
1911 adds more possible children for niece Jane :-\
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Drumtullagh/Moycraig__Hamilton/113994
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Thanks Aghadowey for your recent contributions. I think the only reference to John McFadden that is my known ancestor, father of Mary Ann who married 1874 turned up last night. 27 Feb 1898 at Knockanavery widower died aged 75 in presence of his sister Jane Mabin. Per irishgeneaology.ie Image available, but am not too sure how to attach here. I don't know his wife's forename to seek her out as I only got his off daughter's marriage lines. Knockanavery seems key even to my late mother's childhood memories.
Had a look at these others, and am of the opinion that the McFaddens who had children by William McCaldrige/Alexander could be related and if so and Jane here was his daughter then these could be more grand-children of his in 1911. Rowan33 might confirm or refute this. I think the transcript is wrong here - I see an unmarried brother and sister not a husband and wife as the older household dwellers.
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Think I might have found a lot more which will either help sort out these McFaddens or make the whole thing far more complicated (or both) but still checking sources and typing. Will try to post something again later.
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Not a complete family tree but it's a start...
Malcolm McFadden (c1812-1894) m. Mary Murphy? (d.bef.1894)
Death https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05960/4693910.pdf
Probate of the Will of Malcolm M'Fadden late of Lower Moyeraig County Antrim Farmer who died 13 August 1894 granted at Belfast to William Kennedy and John Donaghy both of Lower Moycraig Farmers. Will mentions son John, daughter Sarah, granddaughter Jane
1. Malcolm McFadden (c1847 Ire.) m.(1868) Jane Wilkinson (c1847 Ire.)
2. Nancy Jane McFadden (c1848 Ire.)- her daughter Jane mentioned in grandfather's will
3. ? Jane McFadden m.(1898) Patrick Coyle
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10422/5794986.pdf
4. John McFadden (c1860-aft.1911)- mentioned in father’s Will
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Drumtullagh/Moycraig_Lower/922716
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Drumtullagh/Moycraig__Hamilton/113994
5. Sarah McFadden (c1862-aft.1911)- mentioned in father’s Will
Malcolm McFadden (c1847 Ire.) m.(1868) Jane Wilkinson (c1847 Ire.)
1881 census- 6 Tower St., Dennistoun, Glasgow Barony, Lanarkshire: Malcolm McFadyen (34) gen. lab., Jane McFadyen (34), Elizabeth McFadyen (11), Thomas McFadyen (9), Neil McFadyen (6), Robert McFadyen (3), Malcolm McFadyen (8 mo.).
1901 census- 7 Forge St., Dennistoun, Glasgow Springburn, Lanarksbhire: Malcolm McFadyen (50) quarrier, Jane McFadyen (51), Thomas McFadyen (28), Robert McFadyen (23), Malcolm McFadyen (21), James McFadyen (19).
a. Isabella/Elizabeth McFadden (1869 Ire.-aft.1881)
b. Thomas McFadden (1871 Ire.-aft.1901)
c. Mary Jane McFadden (1873 Ire.)
Birth https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03188/2168852.pdf
d. Neal McFadden (1875 Ire.-aft.1881)
Birth https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03093/2134012.pdf
e. Robert McFadden (c1878-aft.1901)
f. Malcolm McFadden (1880-aft.1901)
g. James McFadden (c1882-aft.1901)
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Nancy Jane McFadden (c1848 Ire.-1915 Scot.) ?m.(22 June 1871 Ballymoney) William McCambridge (could this be William Denham?).
A William Denham m.(1869 Ballycastle) Alicia _. can't find death for her yet.
1891 census- 6 Cobden St., Dennistoun, Glasgow Townhead, Lanarkshire: William Denholm (43), Nancy Denholm (41), Elera? Denholm (28), Sarah Denholm (18) Ire., Mary Denholm (15), Anne Denholm (13), Maggie Denholm (9), Charles Denholm (4), Malcolm Denholm (2).
a. Elizabeth McFadden (1865) to Scotland
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03565/2313146.pdf
b. Jane McFadden (1869-aft.1911)- father William McCaldrige, Carnkirk (note mother Nancy Jane McFadden informant). Mentioned in grandfather’s Will- she seems to have been raised by McFadden grandparents in Ireland.
c. Sarah Denham (1872-aft.1891)- father William Denham
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03264/2196278.pdf
d. ? Mary Denham (c1876 Ire)- in 1891 census
e. ? Anne Denham (c1876 ire)- in 1891 census
f. Margaret Denham (1881)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02819/2034058.pdf
g. Charles Denham (1886)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02595/1958411.pdf
h. Malcolm Denham (1888)- surname changed on certificate
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02498/1926416.pdf
Jane McFadden (1869-aft.1916)
i. Malcolm Thompson/McFadden (1893-1916)
ii. William McFadden (c1896-1906)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05556/4559137.pdf
iii. Sarah McFadden (1902)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01914/1741882.pdf
iv. John McFadden (1904)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01842/1718514.pdf
v. Jeanie Mary McFadden (1906)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01722/1681190.pdf
vi. Sidney/Nelson McFadden (1909)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01616/1647702.pdf
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Aghadowey - thank you so much for sacrificing so much of your Saturday on our behalf.
These were very useful pointers, and the revelations about William McCambridge/Denham have led me to believe that he is not in our direct line of ancestry. When looking at the Church Records for Toberkeigh Presbyterian in the town library some weeks ago I misread McCambridge as McCaldridge for a second or two, and I can see how the one name might be derived from the other, but Denham is a mystery. (I think the Denham bride of 1969 may have been McGugan widow of John McGugan).
I confirmed our situation by seeking out Nancy Jane McFadden's marriage to Wm McCambridge to note his father's name and address. It was William McCambridge also, of Gracehill (where both Nancy and William her groom were living at marriage) near Ballymoney, the neighbouring townland to Carnkirn where William McCaldrige lived at daughter Jane's birth , also beside Mullaghduff where my known ancestor William Alexander known as M'Aldridge lived. The latter's father was Thomas, so not the same person but perhaps related. Significantly I think, all surnames had the same ending.
If Rowan 33 makes contact perhaps we can see if the ancestors she enquired about were Malcolm McFaddens two daughters including the above Nancy Jane which makes the McFadden side of the link valid - she and I are both descendants of William Alexander/M'Aldridge/McFadden.
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Have exhausted McFadden ancestry resources available to me and they have in turn exhausted me. I conclude that the earliest I can go back with certainty for direct ancestry is John McFadden of Knockanavery born circa 1823.
Turned my attention to Taggart ancestry as Ann Eliza was my great-grandmother marrying William known as Alexander/McCaldridge/McFadden in 1896. Marriage cert states her father George Taggart farmer of Deffrick, Billy Parish. Her age as 25 years, born 1871 approx.
The only George Taggart of suitable age on 1901 census for the area was located at Ballyoglagh in Billy Parish, but his children are listed on irishgeneaology.ie from late 1870s and no registration appears to have been made for an Ann Eliza, though 1911 census shows him as married from 1874 approx, so it is possible that she was born earlier in marriage. I have compared the quarter, volume and page no on marriages for George Taggart and Elizabeth ? on irishgenealogy.ie (tedious but it works if you have part of the info for one partner only) and reckon she was Elizabeth Erwin from Coleraine and the year seems to agree.
The Toberkeigh Presbyterian records in the local library are practically impossible to read for 1870s but I saw George's later family listed (with difficulty).
If Ann Eliza was his daughter she was probably a lot younger than stated on her marriage lines. If she was the age stated she might be the daughter of Thomas and Matilda Taggart who have a daughter of same name on irishgeneaology.ie 1872 which would fit her age better as Ann Eliza McFadden on 1901 census, but why would she have quoted wrong forename for her father? Perhaps her father George was another George who had no registrations of any sort?
Anyone with Taggart info in this area would be most welcome to comment.
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Maybe George was dead before 1901. Here's a George Taggart (c1835-1895 Ballymoney district)-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FT8W-13R
Residence given as Glengad so wrong side of Ballymoney-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05925/4682422.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/kilconway/finvoy/glengad/
daughter also registered his death but said age 70-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05917/4679891.pdf
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The marriage doesn't say "her father George Taggart farmer of Deffrick, Billy Parish." It says the BRIDE's residence was Deffrick and that her father George Taggart's occupation was farmer.
In the Valuation Revision book covering that period no Taggarts are listed and only McFadden is a James McFadden.
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Interesting angle that I hadn't thought of - had presumed that registrations of that era would have always placed the bride in her father's home, but I can now see that it probably wasn't the case for Ann Eliza.
I somehow don't feel the family were from the other side of Ballymoney. Maybe she was eldest daughter of George of Ballyoglagh, especially as I now know my gran and her sister were born before parental marriage, she may have had to quit the family home and set up in Deffrick. I think it would have been a couple of miles or so away.
Thanks Aghadowey, you've got me thinking from a different viewpoint!
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She could have been working as a servant in Deffrick at the time she married- women often didn't have an occupation listed on marriage certificate.
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It's been a good six months and I have made great inroads on the McFaddens. They changed their name to McFadden unofficially from M'Aldridge or Alexander, having been descended from McCaldridge of Glengad, the Vow, Ballymoney.
The ancestor is William McCaldridge who was born around 1850 and married Mary Ann McFadden daughter of John (son of Andrew McFadden) and Rose McFadden of Knockanavery having changed his name to William Alexander. They had a son William Alexander in 1874 who married Ann Eliza Taggart in 1896.Tthey registered his children as McAldridge, and later took his mother's maiden name of McFadden .
A William McCambridge in 1871 married Nancy Jane McFadden of Moycraig, daughter of Malcolm McFadden, he changed their name to Denham/Denholm, and they lived between Moycraig and Dennistoun, Glasgow, having children at both locations leaving one, Jane at Moycraig premanently She had been born to Nancy Jane and William McCaldridge (same as McCambridge?). Their grandson was Malcolm McFadden of Drumtullagh commemorated as having disappeared at the Somme (Mosside Presbyterian Church).
DNA evidence has connected our two families, but we don't know if it was through the McFadden brides who might have been related, or if the same William married both girls bigamously. Mary Ann Alexander last known name has disappeared from history after giving birth to her son William in 1874. She had a sister who married into Walker of this area. Bushvale is one of the McFadden churches but they have no formal burial records. In short I am trying to find out how many William McCaldridges lived in this area in the 1870s and if Andrew and Malcolm McFadden of Knockanavery and Moycraig were relatives. Any info leading to either link being established appreciated. Sorry it is rather complicated.
A second query from a new found McFadden relative. She is trying to trace her great grandfather James McFadden born 1877 who married a Nellie McLean of Laurel Hill Coleraine, and this lady died in 1916, whereupon he married Robina Greer. His birth and death places are unknown.
Robina and James had a daughter Catherine Robina McFadden who married James McFadden, born 1917, a brother to McFadden of Drumtullagh, born after his death at the Somme. We are trying to trace this James' burial place in Antrim too. Any help on either to these two above appreciated.
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James McFadden of Bushmills married 1903 Ellen McLean. No father list for him so most likely illegitimate.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10232/5723979.pdf
Possible birth 1877- mother McFadden and father listed so he must have acknowledged child by attending registrar to register the birth-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03001/2099790.pdf
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Thanks, Aghadowey, I had thought that he possibly was born to unwed parents.
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Yes, but it is a bonus to have a father listed (if that is the correct birth).
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Your Mary Ann McFadden was a witness at the wedding of my GG grandmother. Her father was John McFadden.