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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: Danbury Man on Tuesday 07 February 17 20:31 GMT (UK)
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Hi All
Can anyone help me find Frederick Humm on the 1841 census please ?
I have him on the 51,61,71 & 81. but can't locate on the 41.
He was born aprox.1809 Great Henny and died in 1885.
Any help welcome.
Danbury Man
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There's a Frederick Humm in Vere Court, Spitalfields?
Hatters <something> Manufacturer
living with Sarah (35), Henry (14), Frederic (12), Sarah (10), Samuel (5).
All born Middlesex, except Frederic senior.
Class: HO107; Piece: 710; Book: 5; Folio: 9; Page: 11; Line: 1
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1841 census on anc--ry for Woodham Mortimer starts with the surname Jordon.
Surnames from A-Jo are missing. The same for Woodham Walter.
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There are lots of Hums on the parish records for Great Henry, but no baptism for a Frederick. I went from 1750 (so I'd have his ancestors when I found him) to 1821.
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The Essex Record Office has the complete census for 1841
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Hi All
Thanks for info so far. The London one is interesting but can't believe that a Countryman and Farm Labourer all his life would pitch up in London making hats for a short spell. However there are not many Fredericks to choose from. In the 1851 his sister Emma Smith is living with his Family aged 12 born Woodham Mortimer. Can't explain why his sister is called Smith.
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Is it his sister in law?
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Although found his marriage in woodham Mortimer to Emma hervey. His father was William humm. 22 Dec 1849. She was a widow. Her father was Abraham smith.
She had married Jacob Harvey 25 Dec 1843, also in woodham Mortimer.
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According to FreeBMD he married Emma Hervey so probably not. I notice a family of Smith's next door but that may just be by chance.
If you look at that census it states born in Woodham Mortimer but in later ones it says Great Henny.
But you are correct in saying no Fredericks baptised in Henny. Have been to Church there and is a wonderful remote place and churchyard full of Humms. Can't just be chance.
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Yes ... Emma hervey was a widow. Her maiden name before her first marriage to Jacob Harvey was smith. Father was Abraham smith.
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Nannyj you have told me something I did not know. So maybe the Smiths next door are relevant.
Never knew his fathers name so perhaps will try that name in Henny.
Thank you so much.
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there are two William humms in great Henny having children at the time.
There is a William humm junior (born 1784). He married an Elizabeth (will have a look for the marriage later). They had the following children: William 26/4/1807, Samuel 6/10/1811, james 21/11/1813, John 26/1/1816, George 6/9/1821
William humm senior (I think born 1763 to John and Elizabeth humm. This William was married to a Rebecca. They had children from 1784 to 1806.
Other humm family names are Sarah, Edward, Elizabeth, james, Susan, David. Do any of those appear in your Frederick's children or grandchildren's names?
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William humm senior married Rebecca tuffen 1st December 1783 at great henny. John humm witness. Could have been his dad.
William humm junior married Elizabeth Rist in great henny 6/11/1806. Witnesses james and Elizabeth humm. James was William's brother (born 1769) and Elizabeth was either james's wife or james and William's sister (but she was born in 1759 and I would have thought she might hVe been married by then).
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Agree. William senior looks right but wonder why Frederick's birth does not appear anywhere?
At the moment his first 43 years are a complete mystery. As he married a widow late in life I suspect he too must have been married before but again I can find no record of this.
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I suspect William junior was frederick's dad, as he was still having children from 1807 to 1821, whereas the last child I found baptised to William senior was 1806, from 1784. I think that makes William senior, Frederick's grandfather. I'll look for a death for Elizabeth his wife. If it's before 1809, we'll know. It's still an assumption with no baptism, but be does consistently say he's born in henny and on his marriage it says his father is William?
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Frederick was a bachelor at his marriage to Emma.
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cant find a baptism for an Emma smith in woodham Mortimer. Abraham smith has lots of children, but no Emma! I'm beginning to wonder if they were using their middle names??
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I have Emma as being born in Maryland not Woodham Mortimer.
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Yes I saw that on one census but saw woodham Mortimer on the other. I'll double check in case I read it wrongly. I did check Maryland baptisms too but no sign there either.
Update: 1841 living in woodham Mortimer but obviously doesn't have birthplace. 1851 born in woodham Mortimer. 1861 born in Mayland.
Her sister Mary Ann (who married a Royce) consistently gives her place of birth as woodham Mortimer.
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I did find abraham smith's marriage to Mary Ann rayner 16/7/1825. Both single.
Mary Ann rayner was baptised in Braintree to William (born c1776 and died 1844) and sarah on 1/1/1804 but her birth is noted as being 5/1/1801. She died fourth quarter of 1873.
Abraham smith born stisted but not found his baptism yet.
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Abraham smith born 31st may 1801. Parents: William and Sarah smith.
Shame we can go backwards but not find the baptisms of his daughter and son-in-law!
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Thank you for all your help so far. You have taken me back further than I have been before so am very grateful for that but just wish we could fill in the gaps in Frederick's early life.
The search goes on..............If I find anything will update you.