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Title: Stuck - nothing quite matching up
Post by: squirrelinatree on Thursday 09 February 17 21:28 GMT (UK)
Does anyone feel like helping me with a bit of detective work for me please? I had a bit of help in chat yesterday but ran out of time and have just been going round and round in circles ever since! None of the records quite seem to match up enough.

Based on this marriage record, which I am 99% certain is the correct one for my family, I have been trying to trace Annie and her father, Daniel, in the 1841, 1851 and 1861 census, and Daniel's marriage record, to find out more about the family, including mother's maiden name to go back further. In later census Annie gives her birth year as 1846 and birth place Ilfracombe.

Arthur Henry Miller, bachelor, son of Henry Miller m Annie Tucker, spinster, daughter of Daniel Tucker on 3 Sep 1865 at St Clement, Bristol
Title: Re: Stuck - nothing quite matching up
Post by: groom on Thursday 09 February 17 21:49 GMT (UK)
If she is correct about place and date of birth, this could be her from Freebmd. Barnstable was the registration district for Ilfracombe

Births Dec 1846 
Tucker    Ann       
Barnstaple    10   34

Then using the GRO site her mother's maiden name was GEEN

TUCKER, ANN       GEEN     
GRO Reference: 1846  D Quarter in BARNSTAPLE UNION  Volume 10  Page 34

ADDED: Possibly not, as there is a marriage for a Sarah Geen Sep 1838 Barnstable, and on the same page a William Tucker.
Title: Re: Stuck - nothing quite matching up
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Thursday 09 February 17 21:56 GMT (UK)
There's a Daniel Tucker in Morthoe nr Ilfracombe, with wife mary. Amongst their children is an Ann, but she's b c1841
Title: Re: Stuck - nothing quite matching up
Post by: squirrelinatree on Thursday 09 February 17 21:59 GMT (UK)
There's a Daniel Tucker in Morthoe nr Ilfracombe, with wife mary. Amongst their children is an Ann, but she's b c1841

This one looks most likely to me but it's not great is it?!

I have just cross referenced every Ann Tucker birth in Barnstaple to work out possible maiden names with the names of various siblings on cenus entries but none quite match.  I wondered if I was missing something.
Title: Re: Stuck - nothing quite matching up
Post by: groom on Thursday 09 February 17 22:01 GMT (UK)
Is that this family in 1851?  HO107 Piece number   1893 Folio   96 Page   13

Church Hill, Ilfracombe, Barnstaple, Devon

Daniel   Tucker   58      Ag Lab   Devon
Mary   Tucker      38                      Devon
Ann   Tucker      10                      Devon
Eliza   Tucker             4                      Devon
Daniel   Tucker     0                           Devon

How old was her husband, perhaps if she was older than him she told a little white lie about her age?
Title: Re: Stuck - nothing quite matching up
Post by: squirrelinatree on Thursday 09 February 17 22:09 GMT (UK)
Is that this family in 1851?  HO107 Piece number   1893 Folio   96 Page   13

Church Hill, Ilfracombe, Barnstaple, Devon

Daniel   Tucker   58      Ag Lab   Devon
Mary   Tucker      38                      Devon
Ann   Tucker      10                      Devon
Eliza   Tucker             4                      Devon
Daniel   Tucker     0                           Devon

How old was her husband, perhaps if she was older than him she told a little white lie about her age?

I think it is same family - in 1841 it says Daniell Tucker,

Annie's husband Arthur Miller was born 1844 so that theory might make sense.
Title: Re: Stuck - nothing quite matching up
Post by: squirrelinatree on Thursday 09 February 17 22:38 GMT (UK)
I can't find any of them in 1861.  ???
Title: Re: Stuck - nothing quite matching up
Post by: suzard on Thursday 09 February 17 22:49 GMT (UK)
might this be them in 1861?
ages are all over the place!
Ilfracombe
Daniel Tucker head M 70 labourer Morthoe Devon
Mary wife 49 Morthoe
Eliza daughter 13 Labourer Morthoe
Daniel son 5 Morthoe
William son 10 Ilfracombe
RG9 14 92 97 2
Suz
Title: Re: Stuck - nothing quite matching up
Post by: groom on Thursday 09 February 17 22:54 GMT (UK)

Possible that Daniel and Willam have their ages the wrong way round as they are out of order?
Title: Re: Stuck - nothing quite matching up
Post by: squirrelinatree on Thursday 09 February 17 23:14 GMT (UK)
might this be them in 1861?
ages are all over the place!
Ilfracombe
Daniel Tucker head M 70 labourer Morthoe Devon
Mary wife 49 Morthoe
Eliza daughter 13 Labourer Morthoe
Daniel son 5 Morthoe
William son 10 Ilfracombe
RG9 14 92 97 2
Suz

Ooh, hadn't found that on FindMyPast.  Will try to find it now. Thank you
Title: Re: Stuck - nothing quite matching up
Post by: squirrelinatree on Thursday 09 February 17 23:20 GMT (UK)
might this be them in 1861?
ages are all over the place!
Ilfracombe
Daniel Tucker head M 70 labourer Morthoe Devon
Mary wife 49 Morthoe
Eliza daughter 13 Labourer Morthoe
Daniel son 5 Morthoe
William son 10 Ilfracombe
RG9 14 92 97 2
Suz

Ooh, hadn't found that on FindMyPast.  Will try to find it now. Thank you

David Sucker   Head   Married   Male   70   1791   Labourer   Devon,
Mary   Sucker   Wife   Married   Female   49   1812   Labourer   Devon,    
Eliza   Sucker   Daughter   Unmarried   Female   13   1848   Labourer   Devon,
David Sucker   Son   Unmarried   Male   5   1856   Scholar   Devon, England   
William Sucker   Son   -   Male   10   1851   Scholar   Ilfracombe, Devon,

That's some mis-transcription!  :o
Title: Re: Stuck - nothing quite matching up
Post by: suzard on Thursday 09 February 17 23:27 GMT (UK)

Possible that Daniel and Willam have their ages the wrong way round as they are out of order?

Its a right mess -they are listed in order given - Eliza's age is 10 entered in male column then crossed through and 13 entered in female column!!!

Suz
Title: Re: Stuck - nothing quite matching up
Post by: Dundee on Friday 10 February 17 13:35 GMT (UK)
Is that this family in 1851?  HO107 Piece number   1893 Folio   96 Page   13

Church Hill, Ilfracombe, Barnstaple, Devon

Daniel   Tucker   58      Ag Lab   Devon
Mary   Tucker      38                      Devon
Ann   Tucker      10                      Devon
Eliza   Tucker             4                      Devon
Daniel   Tucker     0                           Devon


You left out Jane aged 6, and Daniel is aged 3 months.

There are DENDLE families living on either side of them and I thought that Mary might be a DENDLE but I can't make sense of the registered births.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Stuck - nothing quite matching up
Post by: squirrelinatree on Friday 10 February 17 13:49 GMT (UK)
There seem to be some births registered to Tucker with maiden name Dendel too.  Mis spelling/transcribing or different family?

(I want the Mary to be Mary Dendle because it would provide a really weird coincidental link - I *think* Mary Dendle's brother's descendent was my primary school headteacher!  It is the right area but we had only just moved to Devon not thinking we had any ancestors in that area at all!)
Title: Re: Stuck - nothing quite matching up
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 10 February 17 14:31 GMT (UK)
Daniel Tucker married Mary Dendle 4/2/1837 Mortehoe, Devon - both single.  He signed, she made her mark.   Witnesses Thomas Dendle (his mark) and Thomas Coniber (? hard to read).

Annette
Title: Re: Stuck - nothing quite matching up
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 10 February 17 14:39 GMT (UK)
Although later living in Ilfracombe, all children of Daniel and Mary were baptised in Mortehoe, with Anne Tucker bp.2/5/1841 (FindMyPast)

Annette