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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Craigellachie2019 on Friday 10 February 17 04:06 GMT (UK)
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Hello, can anyone help resolve an issue I have with a Haddow branch in Lanarkshire? My direct ancestor is Thomas Haddow b May 1836 in Dunsyre to David Haddow and Janet Todd. He married Janet Salmond in 1861, had two daughters Janet b 1867 and Jane 1869. Janet Haddow nee Salmond died 1870, and Jane aged 2 and Thomas both died in 1871. Scotlandspeople says David and Janet had 3 sons, John b 1832 Carnwath, Robert 1841 Cambusnethan and Thomas 1836 in Dunsyre. However Thomas' death seems to have been registered by his brother 'James' (hard to read but seems to be what it says). I am trying to find marriages, deaths etc of the known brothers Robert and John, but I am getting nowhere fast and spending lots of Scotlandspeople credits. One Ancestry tree has a brother James to my Thomas being married to a Mary Tweedie. This tree says James died in 1889, so I purchased the death cert. It confirms Mary Tweedie as wife, but says this James' parents were James Haddow and Margaret Greenshields. Can anyone help find my Robert and John's marriages and/or deaths and 'James' if there is indeed meant to be a James.
Thank you in advance (PS the top of Thomas' death cert says High Church, Glasgow)
Anne
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I am not sure that the certificate does say James. The capital letter at the start does not look like the J in Janet. Could it be Thomas?
Interestingly it does look as if David and Janet did have a son James ( age 7 in 1841) and also a William ( age 3 in 1841) in addition to the other children you have named. The 1841 census does not show relationships but from the way the children are listed in the census ( for Hartfield, Cambusnethan ) the supposition would be that they are all children of David and Janet. I can't see an obvious match for James in any of the later census ( perhaps he died young).
Isobel
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Thank you Isobel. I hadn't known what it said, so had posted a query ages ago and it was suggested by many it was James - so had gone with that but must admit I found it hard to see James written there. Thomas is the one who died, and it seems to say 'brother' so doubt there is another living brother Thomas. William 11 and Robert 9 are with David in the 1851 census. At that stage he is with his new 'wife' Grace (Greece in some transcriptions). I believe I have Thomas in the 1851 census working for the Wilkie family and in 1861 census as a ploughman at Shawhead farm, which is mentioned on his marriage proclamation in 1866. Maybe it has to stay a mystery as to what happened to his brothers and if they had families.
Anne
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The J in Janet was written by registrar and James signed the certificate that is why they are different.
Usual residence was Viewpark, Uddingston but he died in Royal Infirmary which is why death is registered in 'High Church' district
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This could be his brother William in 1881
Name: William Haddow
Est birth year: abt 1840
Spouse's name : Christina Haddow
born: Wishaw, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 639
Registration district: Dalziel
Civil Parish: Dalziel
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 15 Brown Place
Occupation: Railway Engine Driver
William Haddow 41
Christina Haddow 30
James Haddow 9
Jeanie Haddow 7
Maggie Haddow 5
John Haddow 2
William Haddow 3 Mo
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Possible marriage
PATERSON
CHRISTINA
1872
at
Dalziel
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTL6-B2Q
Mmm, could be a different Janet, but if same, did whoever transcribed this record make a mistake with father's forename?
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Given David was in Dalserf in 1851, and adults sometimes give their place of birth as somewhere they remember staying as a child/young person, rather than where actually born, you could look at the James Haddow, engine driver, in Dalziel at 1871, born Dalserf. The William suggested in an earlier post was also an engine driver.
This James could also be the one found working on a farm at Avondale in 1851.
In Lesmahagow by 1881, which identifies wife as a Margaret Ferguson as her father is with them. Still in Lesmahagow at 1891.
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Motherwell Times 28th July 1894:
Mr James Haddow, formerly of Motherwell, and one of the oldest engine-drivers on the Caledonian Railway, died at Lesmahagow last week
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One Ancestry tree has a brother James to my Thomas being married to a Mary Tweedie. This tree says James died in 1889, so I purchased the death cert. It confirms Mary Tweedie as wife, but says this James' parents were James Haddow and Margaret Greenshields.
Looks like a classic case of someone making assumptions without checking the original sources.
Sorry to harp on about this, but never trust any tree you find on A******y or any other web site. Use them as a pointer what to check, but expect to find errors like this.
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Possible marriage
PATERSON
CHRISTINA
1872
at
Dalziel
Christina died at Calder Street, Motherwell on 13th October 1920.
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William Haddow, retired engine driver, died at Ross Place, Calder Street, on 19th Dec 1920.
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William and Christina's son, James, was apparently killed in action at Ladysmith on 6th January 1900.
Anglo-Boer War records concur with this date, and have him listed as a Corporal in the Imperial Light Horse regiment.
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James Haddow m Margaret Ferguson 16 Jun 1858 at Dalserf.
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so I purchased the death cert. It confirms Mary Tweedie as wife, but says this James' parents were James Haddow and Margaret Greenshields.
Anne
The above grouping is detailed at:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/karen.black/Greens05x.html
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In 1871, there is a London born Mary Haddow with the James Haddow family group in Lesmahagow. She is listed as 'niece'. By 1881, she is listed as 'daughter'.
Can see a Mary Ann Haddow born 1868 in Bethnal Green district, but she is still in that area at later Census.
By 1891, the Mary 'niece/daughter' (was she their child or 'adopted' ?), seems to be married to a Walter Ferguson, and both plus children, are visiting with James and Margaret in Lesmahagow..
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Motherwell Times and others in November 1895 has:
asleep in Jesus. At Brisbane, Australia, on the 3rd inst., Walter Ferguson, aged 29 years, eldest son of John and Elizabeth Ferguson, Highfield, Motherwell, beloved husband of Mary M'Connachie;
The Walter of 1891, based on occupation and place of birth, seemed to be same Walter with parents John and Elizabeth Ferguson in 1881 at Merry Street, Dalziel.
Despite Mary being noted as 'M'Connachie', it might be worth following through to see if this is the same couple as Walter Ferguson and Mary 'Haddow', as so far I can't tie them down in the 1901.
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Can see a Walter Ferguson, Mrs Ferguson and children Mary, Elizabeth and Maggie heading to Australia in 1895.
The Walter and Mary visiting at the Haddows in 1891, had daughters Mary and Elizabeth whose ages match those travelling. The Walter who died in Brisbane had a youngest daughter, Maggie, aged 3 who died 2 days after he did, whose age matches the Maggie travelling.
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Couldn't find deaths on Queensland indexes. Mmm, same ages and death dates, Ryerson Index for newspaper entries has:
FERGUSON Walter Death notice 03NOV Death 29 at Springwood, Blue Mountains, NSW Sydney Morning Herald 04DEC1895
and
FERGUSON Maggie Death notice 06NOV Death 3 Sydney Morning Herald 04DEC1895
NSW death index:
FERGUSON WALTER
Registration number
14297/1895
Father's Given Name(s)
JOHN
Mother's Given Name(s)
ELIZABETH
District
SPRINGWOOD
both buried Springwood Cemetery Section SPR3 Row A Plot 49
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For what it's worth, William and Christina are buried in the Globe cemetery, Motherwell.
Here's a picture of what was once a very fine headstone, now toppled-over and broken. It also mentions a nephew Peter Farqharson who died in infancy 1880 and their son James who fell at Ladysmith in 1900.
There is another Haddow stone there - Thomas Haddow who died 1899 aged 49 and his wife Marion Bell Rae.
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'Thomas is the one who died, and it seems to say 'brother' so doubt there is another living brother Thomas .'
Silly me! Obviously not concentrating.
Isobel
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FERGUSON MARGARET M
Registration number
14298/1895
Father's Given Name(s)
WALTER
Mother's Given Name(s)
MARY
District
SPRINGWOOD
again, from NSW death indexes.
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I should also say that the signature on the death certificate is JAMES. No question about it. Whoever heard of two brothers having the same name? It may have happened in the Highlands a few hundred years ago but certainly not in 19th century Lanarkshire.
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Thank you all - have just logged on and see pages of replies, but now have to go out, so will devour all of this when I get back. Looks like I need to get the death cert going on death dates mentioned ain these pages and see if the father is David and mother Janet. Only then will I know who are mine and who not. Thank you for helping narrow it down. Sooooo many James Robert and William Haddows to buy certs for otherwise.
Anne
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Forfarian - thank you - yes - I have already emailed the person through Ancestry offering a copy of the Scotlandspeople Death Cert. so he can take the parents he has - off.
Anne
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Ok everyone - the James people gave me hints on - engine driver d Lesmahagow 1894 - was married to Margaret Ferguson and his death cert via Scotlandspeople says his parents were James Haddow and Mary Wilson - so not my James! He was aged 59 when he died in 1894 which gives him a birth year of approx 1835. Back to the drawing board.
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Frustrating as it can be for you, at least it is another one ruled out. Hopefully all the suggestions and info provided on this thread about the other James, may help another researcher someday.
What about the William, engine driver, that has been suggested? Did you check him? If not, have you considered instead and/or already ruled out, the death in 1861 of a William Haddow in Dalserf district, aged 23, so born c1838? Death entry ref on SP is 638/2 13. If you search with mother's surname Todd, this is what is returned. Obviously, it could be a different Haddow/Todd combination, but age and location at least make for a good possibility.
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Scotmum, thank you - that William is Thomas's brother. He was single, aged 23 and father David, mother Janet Tod, death registered by Thomas. Sometimes it just needs some fresh eyes (and brain). Purchased the cert and will add to my tree.
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Scotmum, thank you - that William is Thomas's brother. He was single, aged 23 and father David, mother Janet Tod, death registered by Thomas. Sometimes it just needs some fresh eyes (and brain). Purchased the cert and will add to my tree.
At least that's one accounted for, albeit a young death. As with the 'other' James, hopefully the 'other' William's details on this thread will help someone else some day.