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Hello,
I am struggling to find the following person in the 1901 census. Margaret Ellen Allen b J1864 Cambridge. In 1871, 1881 and 1891 she is living in Cambridge with her parents Owen & Naomi Allen
After that I can't find her under this name. So I looked at marriages and of the 5 Margaret Ellen Allen marriages up to 1912, 3 were in Lancashire, one in the West Midlands and one in Cambridge.
This was to a Joseph Ernest Cox J1897. I found Margaret in the 1911. She is widowed but says she was married for 14 years. This would just about fit with a Joseph Ernest Cox whose death was registered in Woolwich J1910. This chap woud have been a tad younger than Margaret. Or she may have put 14 years as it was 14 years since her marriage. She is living in Bexhill with an adopted daughter, Winifred Amy Cox, aged 10, and a boarder.
I have tried everything I can think of to find them in the 1901, as I would like to pin down Joseph which is tricky without a place of birth. I'm also hoping that Winifred might just be with them and that there is a clue as to who she could be.
I have tried looking on Ancestry and Family Search but to no avail. Any ideas please?
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Woolwich makes me think military - perhaps they were overseas in 1901? Boer War? I have some missing people in 1901 - one of whom I know for sure was in SA at the time.
Have you looked for any military records for Joseph?
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Ah, good idea. I shall have a scout around.
Thank you
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It looks as if the Joseph Ernest Cox who died in 1910 was in hospital in 1901 in Bournemouth. If he is the chap I'm looking for, it still leaves Margaret at large. Also if I can find Margaret and she is with her husband, it would rule out this chap.
Brie
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Does the 1901 record for this Joseph say what his occupation is?
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Boot Makers Clerk, born West Newington London
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Winifred Amy Cox was born Bristol 1901.
1911 she is an adopted daughter of Margaret Ellen Cox, however if Joseph Cox and Margaret married 1897, she was not Joseph's daughter giving him the benefit of the doubt.
So whose daughter is she and will that help sort out Joseph's heritage?
A Cox family is associated with the Allen family of Cambridge - 1871 census a Sarah Ann Cox, niece age 18 is staying with Margaret Ellen Allen family. Owen C Allen and wife Naomi.
Sarah' father being Charles Cox.
1861 Charles Cox has Owen C Allen lodger staying with him and Naomi Pont his sister in law (Charles'). Owen and Naomi later marry.
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Winifred Amy Cox was born Bristol 1901
But the 1911 census (free index on Genes Reunited) shows birthplace London Wimbledon :-\
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Thank you both for your replies. Margaret's aunt did indeed marry a Cox and I looked at their children to see if Margaret and Joseph were cousins but couldn't see any connection. He could belong to more distant family of course or it could just be a coincidence. I had also thought about Winifred possibly being a relation which was one of the reasons for trying to establish exactly who Joseph was and then looking at his relations.
Like you Jen, I have Winifred's birthplace as Wimbledon which I got from the 1911 census. Unfortunately, I seem to be going round in circles. Somewhere there must be the missing link :)
Brie
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Joseph Ernest Cox of 16 Bennett Park, Blackheath, died 5 May 1910. Probate to widow Margaret Ellen cox - effects £481 2s
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Thank you Mabel - the missing link! So now I will have a good look at that Joseph and see if any orphan girls turn up. Maybe they are even harbouring Margaret under a mistranscription.
Brie
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Margaret Ellen Cox, widow, of 26 Sea Road Bexhill died 18 Sept 1922. Probate to Mary Ellen Cox, widow. effects £466
GRO entry for her death has her as aged 58 (Battle, Vol 2b p 56)
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Thanks again Mabel, the age is bang on with Margaret Ellen Allen's birth. And it is looking as if Joseph Ernest Cox had a brother James Lawrence Cox who married a Mary Ellen who would be the Mary Ellen Cox you cite. So it is beginning to fit together nicely.
It looks as if there was consumption in the family. Their sister died young as well.
Brie
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I think Mary Ellen is the widow of Joseph Ernest's younger brother James Lawrence Cox
1891 - in Newington
Alfred William Seccombe 67
Emma Seccombe 57
Joseph Ernest Cox 18 - lodger b Walworth, clerk
Jas Lawrence Cox 17 - lodger b Walworth, boot and shoe clicker
Mary Jane Annie Cox 20 - lodger b Walworth
RG12, 355, 40, 2
parents appear to be James Missing Cox, b Packenham Suffolk c1843 and Mary b Newport Essex c1839
Not sure if Winifred is the daughter of either of these two siblings, or someone else to whom the Cox surname has been appended
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James Lawrence was living at 2 Bennett Park Blackheath when he died in 1916
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Totally agree with you Mabel - our last posts crossed.
Just saw your latest post - the two brothers were neighbours then.
Interestingly as I have been looking back up this Cox tree it looks as if it will head back to Cambridge so the two Cox lines may tie up as amondg suggested. But quite a way back.
Must trundle off to bed much as I am tempted to sit up and carry on as work tomorrow
Thanks again
Brie
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The Winifred Amy Cox born Bristol 1901 mothers maiden name Rooks from the new registration index.
from bmd 1899-1902 for Kingston registration district that includes Wimbledon with the name Winifred Amy
1899 Stevenson, mothers maiden name Spurling
1900 Guy mothers maiden name Watkins
1901 Routley, mothers maiden name Evans
1901 Brown, mothers maiden name Carter
1901 King, mothers maiden name Lane.
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I think this is Margaret in 1901:
1901
Ellen COX age 33 at 16 Bennett Park
563/92/14
Maureen
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Thank you both. I shall keep notes of what you have sent. I'm doing this for a friend who is doing this for a relation. I shall go over this with her and look at the tree we've constucted so far. I really want to do it now but work is getting in the way ::)
However, as you both know it's checking, checking and checking that's important in this game but I think we're on the right track.
Thanks again for all your help and I'll be back when I've looked through all the evidence so far
Brie
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You probably have these:
..report the death of Mr. Joseph Ernest Cox, proprietor of the A.B.C. Library, Sea-road, who passed away at his residence, 16, Bennett-road, Blackheath, on Thursday. Deceased was a sufferer from consumption, and went to live in Blackheath in January, after having been seriouslv ill since the autumn. He had been in business in Bexhill for about five years and leaves a widow and one daughter. The funeral takes place to-day (Saturday).
May 7, 1910 - Bexhill-on-Sea Observer - Bexhill, East Sussex, England
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The funeral of Mr. Joseph Ernest Cox, of the A.B.C. Library, Sea-road, whose death recorded in our last issue, took place at the Lee Cemetery, Blackheath, on Saturday afternoon.
May 14, 1910 - Bexhill-on-Sea Observer - Bexhill, East Sussex, England
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COX, Margaret Ellen, widow of the late Joseph Ernest Cox. of Blackheath. and late of Bexhill. on 18th September. 1922.
September 23, 1922 - Bexhill-on-Sea Observer - Bexhill, East Sussex, England
Maureen
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Maureen, I hadn't got those and it fits in really well in building up a picture of this family. My friend is going to be so pleased.
Thank you
Brie