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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: achooo on Saturday 11 February 17 18:57 GMT (UK)
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Jacob ball born 1823 ashby de la zouch I think his father was Thomas ball mother ellen. who did he marry where did he live when he was older please
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Have you found any of the family in 1841, and how did you get to this family?
Thank-you
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no all I know about this man is christening date and I think his parents were Thomas and ellen
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So he could have died soon after birth and never married?
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sorry I'm trying to connect Ball family on my husbands line he comes from Thomas ball b 1821
ashby de la zouch Leicestershire
in his family there is from yalding kent walter ball b 1879 d 1915
james ball b 1876 d 1931
Jessie ball b1890 d 1948
the family all married into each other though its always said they go back to same line Leicester would love to find conection sory for muddle in my posting can any one sort it for me please
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also theres james ball b 1906 and Frederick ball b 1903
they are all connected but how
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St Helen, Ashby de la Zouch
11 October 1823 - Jacob, son of Thomas and Ellen Ball of Ashby. Thomas is a Rag Gatherer.
26 December 1821 - Thomas, son of Thomas and Ellen Ball of Ashby. Thomas is a Rag Gatherer.
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Do you have any census entries for any of these people?
Where were the births of James (1906) and Frederick (1903) registered?
1901 Census there is just one Ball family living in Yalding
Edward - born in London
Grace - born Tonbridge
Reginald - 6 months
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thank you bumbleb didn't know that I haven't got any cencus on them at all
I know there was some ball at kent
I do nt know where born but that was their home
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A related post, started by someone else:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=424836.0
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That makes sense.
I can't give the details, but the 1911 census has Walter with address as "Travelling". He is married and has 2 children, but I can't find any trace of the marriage - and his wife has a distinctive forename.
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can you tell me who walters father or grandfather was please
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bumbleb when was Thomas a rag gatherer please
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Not sure how you think we can do that. You say that Walter died in 1915 and was born 1879. However, a death registration for Walter Ball in 1915 - Tonbridge Registration District - states that he was 32, giving a birth year of 1883.
There is a birth registration in Kent - Tunbridge Registration District - 1879 - mother's maiden name is given as Dykes. Or Walter Wallace Ball - Maidstone Registration District - 1879 - mother's maiden name is Ramsley. 1883 has one instance of a Ball birth registration - Walter Henry - Lewisham Registration District - mother's maiden name is Cook.
1901 - the Lewisham registered Walter H Ball is in the Army in South Tedworth.
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bumbleb when was Thomas a rag gatherer please
When his two sons were baptised in Ashby de la Zouch - 1821-1823.
Added: by 1831 Thomas is a Labourer - baptism of Catherine on 16 March 1831.
There are no other baptisms for children of Thomas and Ellen between 1823 and 1831, in Ashby.
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I think there is going to be a distinct lack of registrations for all the family.
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MARRIAGE;
1 March 1821, St Helen, Ashby de la Zouch
Thomas BALL to Ellin RILE
Witnesses, Daniel McGuire/Mary Rile
Notes; She signs X; witnesses sign X
(Source FreeREG)
1851 in Ashby we have;
Thomas Ball, 49, Head, Mar, Tin Plate Worker, born Nottingham, Nottinghamshire
Ellin Ball, 49, Wife, Mar, born Ashby de la Zouche
Katherine Ball, 21, Daug, born Ashby
Thomas Ball, 14, Son, born Ashby
Abraham Ball, 11, Son, born Ashby
+ several Lodgers
ELEANOR Riley Baptised 4 July 1802 St Helen to GEORGE/ELIZABETH
Looks correct as Siblings MARY is Baptised as RILE/RYLE with same Parents ;
ELIZABETH Ryle 29 Dec 1793
MARY Rile 25 Dec 1795
George RILE Married Elizabeth WINTERS, 28 Sept 1790 St Helen
ELIZABETH Rile 1793 may have married George RADLEY 7 June 1816
A William/Ann Winters were witnesses
Abraham Balls GRO Index Birth Reg 1841 has his Mothers mn as RILE
Likely for Thomas seeing he names his 1st Son Jacob
Thomas BALL Baptised 28 Feb 1802, St Mary, Nottingham. Nottinghamshire
Parents JACOB/ELIZABETH
Siblings;
ANN 2 April 1805
ANN 15 March 1807
DANIEL 8 Dec 1809
DANIEL 15 June 1812
MARY 20 March 1815
ELIZABETH 25 Sept 1818
JOHN 26 Dec 1821
CATHERINE 9 Feb 1824
Last few have Father as a Blacksmith or Farrier
Although FreeREG doesnt have the Burials I would say Ann 1805 Daniel 1809 died and another Child was named after them.
Jacob BALL married Elizabeth WOODWARD 15 Dec 1800 St Peter
All above on FreeREG
Trish :)
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Oooh Jacob Ball may have been Transported to Tasmania 1831.
Lots on Anc for his criminal activities.
1841 in St Mary, Nottingham we have;
Elizabeth Ball, 60
Elizabeth Ball, 20
Catherine Ball, 15
1851 Census a Elizabeth Ball born c 1783 Farnsfield, Widow, is lodging in Nottingham St Mary
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Iits him alright Convict Record has his Occp a Shoeing Smith.
( ie Farrier as my G/G/Granddad was a Farrier/Blacksmith)
Wife Elizth Ball of Nottingham and has 8 Children
https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/
Just put Hall Jacob in search box
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On Familysearch.Org;
Jacob Ball
Australia, Tasmania, Civil Registration, 1803-1933
birth: 1776
age 77
decay of nature
occp Blacksmith**
death: 9 May 1853, Campbell Town, Tasmania, Australia
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wow thank you very much so interesting
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where can I find what he did out there or lived he never came back to wife children.fantastic thanks
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I gave you the link for Jacobs Convict details.
No he never came back and I gave you his Burial 1853.
Very few ever did make it Home after their Sentence ended.
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thank you what a scoundrel cheeky I know but who was Jacob ball b 1776 parents I don't expect records go back that far.or who were 8 children he left behind this is addictive lol
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trish1120 spot on as ever
Burials St Mary
Ann 7 Nov 1805 dau of Jacob
Daniel 4 Mar 1811 son of Jacob
from Trove
1838
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jhv/
1843 first 2 links on the page
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jhw/
the convict records trish1120 gave you has his birthplace and someone has posted here
http://www.convictrecords.com.au/convicts/ball/jacob/88924
born Burleigh Edge, Stafford
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thankyou
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Thanks for the extra info and compliment willsy :)
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thankyou willsy so good
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1841 Elizabeth ball living at st mary Nottingham aged 60. I cant find when she dies theres dozens of Elizabeth