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Title: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: achooo on Saturday 11 February 17 18:57 GMT (UK)
Jacob ball born 1823 ashby de la zouch I think his father was Thomas ball mother ellen.   who did he marry where did he live when  he was older please
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: chempat on Saturday 11 February 17 21:47 GMT (UK)
Have you found any of the family in 1841, and how did you get to this family?

Thank-you
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: achooo on Saturday 11 February 17 22:19 GMT (UK)
no  all I know about this man is christening date and I think his parents were Thomas and ellen
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: chempat on Saturday 11 February 17 22:24 GMT (UK)
So he could have died soon after birth and never married?
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: achooo on Sunday 12 February 17 08:24 GMT (UK)
sorry I'm trying to connect Ball family on my husbands line he comes from Thomas ball b 1821
ashby  de la zouch Leicestershire
in his family there is from  yalding kent  walter ball b 1879 d 1915
james ball b 1876 d 1931
Jessie ball b1890 d 1948
the family all married into each other though its always said they go back to same line Leicester would love to find conection sory for muddle in my posting can any one sort it for me please
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: achooo on Sunday 12 February 17 09:13 GMT (UK)
also theres james ball b 1906  and Frederick ball b 1903
they are all connected but how
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 12 February 17 09:18 GMT (UK)
St Helen, Ashby de la Zouch

11 October 1823 - Jacob, son of Thomas and Ellen Ball of Ashby.  Thomas is a Rag Gatherer.

26 December 1821 - Thomas, son of Thomas and Ellen Ball of Ashby.  Thomas is a Rag Gatherer.

Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 12 February 17 09:29 GMT (UK)
Do you have any census entries for any of these people?

Where were the births of James (1906) and Frederick (1903) registered?

1901 Census there is just one Ball family living in Yalding

Edward - born in London
Grace - born Tonbridge
Reginald - 6 months
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: achooo on Sunday 12 February 17 10:01 GMT (UK)
thank you bumbleb didn't know that I haven't got any cencus on them at all
I know there was some ball at kent
I do nt know where born but that was their home
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: chempat on Sunday 12 February 17 10:04 GMT (UK)
A related post, started by someone else:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=424836.0
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 12 February 17 10:09 GMT (UK)
That makes sense.

I can't give the details, but the 1911 census has Walter with address as "Travelling".  He is married and has 2 children, but I can't find any trace of the marriage - and his wife has a distinctive forename.

Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: achooo on Sunday 12 February 17 10:38 GMT (UK)
can you tell me who walters father or grandfather was please
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: achooo on Sunday 12 February 17 10:50 GMT (UK)
bumbleb when was Thomas a rag gatherer please
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 12 February 17 11:01 GMT (UK)
Not sure how you think we can do that.  You say that Walter died in 1915 and was born 1879.  However, a death registration for Walter Ball in 1915 - Tonbridge Registration District - states that he was 32, giving a birth year of 1883.

There is a birth registration in Kent - Tunbridge Registration District - 1879 - mother's maiden name is given as Dykes.  Or Walter Wallace Ball - Maidstone Registration District - 1879 - mother's maiden name is Ramsley.  1883 has one instance of a Ball birth registration - Walter Henry - Lewisham Registration District - mother's maiden name is Cook.

1901 - the Lewisham registered Walter H Ball is in the Army in South Tedworth.

Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 12 February 17 11:02 GMT (UK)
bumbleb when was Thomas a rag gatherer please

When his two sons were baptised in Ashby de la Zouch - 1821-1823.

Added:  by 1831 Thomas is a Labourer - baptism of Catherine on 16 March 1831.

There are no other baptisms for children of Thomas and Ellen between 1823 and 1831, in Ashby.


Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: chempat on Sunday 12 February 17 11:15 GMT (UK)
I think there is going to be a distinct lack of registrations for all the family.
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 12 February 17 12:01 GMT (UK)
MARRIAGE;
1 March 1821, St Helen, Ashby de la Zouch
Thomas BALL to Ellin RILE
Witnesses, Daniel McGuire/Mary Rile
Notes; She signs X; witnesses sign X
(Source FreeREG)

1851 in Ashby we have;
Thomas Ball, 49, Head, Mar, Tin Plate Worker, born Nottingham, Nottinghamshire
Ellin Ball, 49, Wife, Mar, born Ashby de la Zouche
Katherine Ball, 21, Daug, born Ashby
Thomas Ball, 14, Son, born Ashby
Abraham Ball, 11, Son, born Ashby
+ several Lodgers

ELEANOR Riley Baptised 4 July 1802 St Helen to GEORGE/ELIZABETH
Looks correct as Siblings MARY is Baptised as RILE/RYLE with same Parents ;
ELIZABETH Ryle 29 Dec 1793
MARY Rile 25 Dec 1795

George RILE Married Elizabeth WINTERS, 28 Sept 1790 St Helen

ELIZABETH Rile 1793 may have married George RADLEY 7 June 1816
A William/Ann Winters were witnesses

Abraham Balls GRO Index Birth Reg 1841 has his Mothers mn as RILE


Likely for Thomas seeing he names his 1st Son Jacob

Thomas BALL Baptised 28 Feb 1802, St Mary, Nottingham. Nottinghamshire
Parents JACOB/ELIZABETH
Siblings;
ANN 2 April 1805
ANN 15 March 1807
DANIEL 8 Dec 1809
DANIEL 15 June 1812
MARY 20 March 1815
ELIZABETH 25 Sept 1818
JOHN 26 Dec 1821
CATHERINE 9 Feb 1824
Last few have Father as a Blacksmith or Farrier

Although FreeREG doesnt have the Burials I would say Ann 1805 Daniel 1809 died and another Child was named after them.
 
Jacob BALL married Elizabeth WOODWARD 15 Dec 1800 St Peter

All above on FreeREG

Trish :)

Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 12 February 17 12:14 GMT (UK)
Oooh Jacob Ball may have been Transported to Tasmania 1831.
Lots on Anc for his criminal activities.

1841 in St Mary, Nottingham we have;
Elizabeth Ball, 60
Elizabeth Ball, 20
Catherine Ball, 15

1851 Census a Elizabeth Ball born c 1783 Farnsfield, Widow, is lodging in Nottingham St Mary
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 12 February 17 12:19 GMT (UK)
Iits him alright Convict Record has his Occp a Shoeing Smith.
( ie Farrier as my G/G/Granddad was a Farrier/Blacksmith)
Wife Elizth Ball of Nottingham and has 8 Children

https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/

Just put Hall Jacob in search box
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 12 February 17 12:37 GMT (UK)
On Familysearch.Org;
Jacob Ball
Australia, Tasmania, Civil Registration, 1803-1933
birth: 1776
age 77
decay of nature
occp Blacksmith**   
death: 9 May 1853, Campbell Town, Tasmania, Australia
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: achooo on Sunday 12 February 17 12:51 GMT (UK)
wow thank you very much  so interesting
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: achooo on Sunday 12 February 17 16:22 GMT (UK)
where can I find what he did out there  or lived he never came back to wife children.fantastic thanks
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 13 February 17 13:32 GMT (UK)
I gave you the link for Jacobs Convict details.
No he never came back and I gave you his Burial 1853.
Very few ever did make it Home after their Sentence ended.
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: achooo on Tuesday 14 February 17 08:43 GMT (UK)
thank you what a scoundrel  cheeky I know but  who was Jacob ball b  1776 parents I don't expect records go back that far.or who were 8 children he left behind this is addictive lol
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: willsy on Tuesday 14 February 17 20:52 GMT (UK)
trish1120 spot on as ever

Burials St Mary
Ann 7 Nov 1805 dau of Jacob
Daniel 4 Mar 1811 son of Jacob

from Trove

1838

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jhv/

1843 first 2 links on the page

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jhw/


the convict records trish1120 gave you has his birthplace and someone has posted here

http://www.convictrecords.com.au/convicts/ball/jacob/88924

born Burleigh Edge, Stafford



Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: achooo on Tuesday 14 February 17 21:19 GMT (UK)
thankyou
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 15 February 17 11:23 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the extra info and compliment willsy :)
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: achooo on Wednesday 15 February 17 12:01 GMT (UK)
thankyou willsy  so good
Title: Re: jacob ball christened 1823 ashby de la zouch
Post by: achooo on Thursday 16 February 17 07:08 GMT (UK)
1841 Elizabeth ball living at st mary Nottingham aged 60. I  cant find when she dies theres dozens of Elizabeth