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Title: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: johnstonsimon on Sunday 12 February 17 00:15 GMT (UK)
Okay I know this a long shot but does anyone recognise any of these people?  ;D ;D

I know for sure who one of them is so hopefully that's a good start. 8)

The first photo (maryannhayes1) with the two ladies, the lady on the left is my great grandmother who was called Mary Ann Hayes (nee. Reavy). She was born approx 1878. On April 2nd 1896 she married William Hayes and they went on to have 13 children from 1896 to 1917. Birth records of the children indicate they lived at many addresses like Check St, Rowan St and Adair street but from 1901 all address are various houses in Joseph St in Belfast. Ultimately her death record is at 66 Joseph St in 1956.

On the second photo (maryannhayes2) with the three ladies my great grandmother Mary Ann Hayes is on the right.

I'm guessing these photos are from 1940s or 50s so if you had relatives on Joseph St around this time these could yours :D

Again I know it's a long shot with old photos and seemingly before the invention of supportive undergarments but hey, if anyone can solve this mystery of who the other people are the folks here can  ;D ;D

Good hunting  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: ards g on Sunday 12 February 17 19:24 GMT (UK)
The mary ann hayes is my wife's grt granny and the lady on the left is a Mckenzie photo taken in joseph st
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: johnstonsimon on Sunday 12 February 17 19:29 GMT (UK)
The mary ann hayes is my wife's grt granny and the lady on the left is a Mckenzie photo taken in joseph st
Wow really, that's amazing. Thank you so much.  ;D ;D

So you're saying in the 2nd photo with three people the lady on the for left has the surname McKenzie?
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: Rosinish on Sunday 12 February 17 19:43 GMT (UK)
Hi JS,

I can't help with your names but I would suggest you also add the pics (separately) to the 'Restoration' Forum as the people on there will make your pics lovely, iron out the creases & if you want they will add some colour & all free  ;D

Lovely pics though!

Annie
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: johnstonsimon on Sunday 12 February 17 19:55 GMT (UK)
Hi JS,

I can't help with your names but I would suggest you also add the pics (separately) to the 'Restoration' Forum as the people on there will make your pics lovely, iron out the creases & if you want they will add some colour & all free  ;D

Lovely pics though!

Annie
Thank you very much, I may just do that some day.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: ards g on Sunday 12 February 17 20:04 GMT (UK)
yes her name was Edith{ edie ) McKenzie
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: johnstonsimon on Sunday 12 February 17 20:23 GMT (UK)
yes her name was Edith{ edie ) McKenzie
That's really interesting because I also have a Thomas McKensie born 1859 marrying my 2x  Great Grandmother.  :o
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: joolian on Monday 13 February 17 09:27 GMT (UK)
I was born in joseph st. . from left to right in second picture  edie McKenzie ellenor king (I think ) my great granny mary ann (reavey) hayes. 
the first picture I recognise the woman with great granny hayes but I cant remember her name.
who was your da simon.  Thomas (tucker) or Albert or Willie
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: joolian on Monday 13 February 17 09:36 GMT (UK)
more photos of joseph street
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: ards g on Monday 13 February 17 09:46 GMT (UK)
Hi Simon the photo of the four people and child are left to right  aunty liz (liza), Jean Hayes McClelland(Susie sister), AlexMcKee (Susie son my B.in L.) and Susie. the child my wife thinks is from a Scottish band over for the 12th of july parade.
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: joolian on Monday 13 February 17 10:15 GMT (UK)
joseph st
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: johnstonsimon on Monday 13 February 17 18:07 GMT (UK)
I was born in joseph st. . from left to right in second picture  edie McKenzie ellenor king (I think ) my great granny mary ann (reavey) hayes. 
the first picture I recognise the woman with great granny hayes but I cant remember her name.
who was your da simon.  Thomas (tucker) or Albert or Willie
Hi, thank you so much for the info. My dad was Thomas Tucker  ;D ;D  If I remember correctly Willie disappeared in the 70s never to be seen again.  :(
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: johnstonsimon on Monday 13 February 17 18:09 GMT (UK)
Hi Simon the photo of the four people and child are left to right  aunty liz (liza), Jean Hayes McClelland(Susie sister), AlexMcKee (Susie son my B.in L.) and Susie. the child my wife thinks is from a Scottish band over for the 12th of july parade.
That's great info, I'll pass it along to my sister  ;D
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: johnstonsimon on Monday 13 February 17 18:37 GMT (UK)
Who are the people in your photos?
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: joolian on Monday 13 February 17 19:41 GMT (UK)
granny hayes great grand children. me alex McKee at front my two sisters jean and martha on windy sill my two cousins janet McMaster Kathleen Andrews. middle  Edward and Margaret spence.
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: joolian on Monday 13 February 17 19:43 GMT (UK)
do you need any info for your family tree. let me know and i'll email it.
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: joolian on Monday 13 February 17 19:48 GMT (UK)
we tried for years and couldn't find willie. sad really he was a great fellow and friend of mine. was it your sisters who came to see my ma Susie for info on our family after tucker died.
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: johnstonsimon on Monday 13 February 17 20:06 GMT (UK)
do you need any info for your family tree. let me know and i'll email it.
Thank very much I do. I'm just out at the moment. It's 12noon here on the Pacific coast of Canada. I'll get back to you soon  :)
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: Banditcat1 on Saturday 18 February 17 14:12 GMT (UK)
The kids foto is taken about 1951 in Joseph Street (nicknamed the Banjo). Back row is Jean McKee (lived in No 65) (now Kinner) her sister Martha and Margaret Spence (Nio 52 - Hind now deceased)
Middle row is Ed Spence (No 50 Margaret's brother); great granny Hayes and Kathleen Andrews (No 67).
Front row is Alec McKee and the two McMasters Bobby and his Sister (name).

All great grandchildren of Mary Anne Hayes; the Spence's are grandchildren of wee Bella Spence who lived in No 66 Joseph Street
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: johnstonsimon on Sunday 19 February 17 07:21 GMT (UK)
The kids foto is taken about 1951 in Joseph Street (nicknamed the Banjo). Back row is Jean McKee (lived in No 65) (now Kinner) her sister Martha and Margaret Spence (Nio 52 - Hind now deceased)
Middle row is Ed Spence (No 50 Margaret's brother); great granny Hayes and Kathleen Andrews (No 67).
Front row is Alec McKee and the two McMasters Bobby and his Sister (name).

All great grandchildren of Mary Anne Hayes; the Spence's are grandchildren of wee Bella Spence who lived in No 66 Joseph Street
Thank you very much this is great news. So she's your great Granny too  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: johnstonsimon on Sunday 19 February 17 08:17 GMT (UK)
The kids foto is taken about 1951 in Joseph Street (nicknamed the Banjo). Back row is Jean McKee (lived in No 65) (now Kinner) her sister Martha and Margaret Spence (Nio 52 - Hind now deceased)
Middle row is Ed Spence (No 50 Margaret's brother); great granny Hayes and Kathleen Andrews (No 67).
Front row is Alec McKee and the two McMasters Bobby and his Sister (name).

All great grandchildren of Mary Anne Hayes; the Spence's are grandchildren of wee Bella Spence who lived in No 66 Joseph Street
May I clarify because I don't yet have all these people in my ancestry tree. Which grandchildren of Isabella's would they be.

The Spence connection I have is Isabella Hayes marries William Edward Spence in 1919. They go on to have seven children and on no particular order are;

Catherine Andrews Spence
Edward Spence
Elizabeth Spence
James Spence
Robert Spence
William James Spence
Augustus Spence
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: Banditcat1 on Sunday 19 February 17 12:24 GMT (UK)
Catherine Andrews Spence 2 (James and Frankie)
Edward Spence 5 (Geraldine, Ronnie and another son)
Eliza Jane (Lily) Spence 7 (No children)
James Spence 3 (George, James, William, Samuel, Irene and Donna)
Robert Spence 4 (Robert, Gerry, Marty, Lindy and Isobel)
William James Spence 1 (Children Margaret, Edward and Norman)
Augustus Andrew (Gusty) Spence 6 (Elizabeth, Sandra, Catherine and Andrew)
The numbers represent the oldest sibling down to the youngest, all are now deceased, with Lily passing away on July 2nd last year.

This is the line from William Edward and wee Bella Spence 66 Joseph Street.
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: Banditcat1 on Sunday 19 February 17 12:26 GMT (UK)
Forgot : Catherine (Cassie) was married to Frankie Curry and Lily to David Donaldson
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: ards g on Sunday 19 February 17 16:31 GMT (UK)
My wife says that the child on granny hayes knee is not Bobby McMaster but Jim Brown as they are her cousins
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: Rosinish on Friday 03 March 17 01:37 GMT (UK)
Don't think I've ever seen a post (to date) with such a quick connection with other family members, amazing indeed!!!

Annie
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: johnstonsimon on Thursday 30 March 17 18:15 BST (UK)
For a bit of fun, how about this one. Courtesy of my new best friend and cousin  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It looks like this a Scrap Iron drive and organised by the Women of Joseph St. A few of my relatives are here including my grandmother whom I'd never seen before  ;D ;D

But what about yours, does anybody recognise anyone?
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: johnstonsimon on Thursday 07 September 17 06:25 BST (UK)
yes her name was Edith{ edie ) McKenzie
So I eventually found out who she is. Would you believe she's actually Edith Jane Johnston (b1887) who married James McKenzie in 1909!

I've yet to prove it but been told she's my grandfather's cousin.  ;D ;D Plus not forgetting she's with my grandmother's mother.

Now just to find out who is in the middle. lol
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: Irishborn on Monday 11 September 17 10:08 BST (UK)
1943 Belfast Street Directory shows Edith McKenzie lived at #23 Joseph Street and Mary Ann Hayes #43.  The 3rd lady will likely be a neighbour too as they are all in their aprons and these would have been taken off if they were leaving the house to go shopping etc...  Photos were usually taken by street photographer as most people did not have the money to buy a camera of their own so neighbours  would have squeezed in together to get in the photo.  It may be it just happened these 3 were having a chat and a photo opportunity presented itself.  There was also a Mary McKenzie living at # 51 which may have been a relative of Edith and perhaps she is the 3rd lady.

1943 Joseph Street:  Maybe you might recognise a name you've heard and get another lead.

Joseph Street   from 5 Clements Street to Malvern Place

   1. McCracken, F. E., labourer
   3. Crowe, Mrs. Mary
   5. Orr, Robert, labourer
   7. Rice, James, labourer
   9. Fittis, James
 11. Douglas, Daniel
 13. Boyd, William J., labourer
 15. Burns, Edward
 17. Robinson, A., labourer
 19. Wheeler, Charles, labourer
 21. Shanks, John
 23. Thompson, William
25-29. Mission Hall
 31. Brown, James, labourer
 33. Thompson, W., labourer
 35. Brown, John, labourer
 37. Wadsworth, Mrs.
 39. Hall, R. J.
 41. Caughey, James, plasterer
 43. Hayes, William
 45. Slavin, William, labourer
 47. Neill, Robert, labourer
 49. Drummond, Sarah
 51. McKenzie, J., labourer
 53. Armstrong, R., labourer
 55. Moore, James, labourer
 57. Stranaghan, John
 59. Kane, Samuel, well sinker
 61. McCullagh, W. J., labourer
 63. Johnson, Mrs.
 65. Andrews, A., labourer
 67. Moffett, George, labourer
 69. Crowe, Mrs.
 71. Dixon, Thomas, labourer
 73. McBride, William, labourer
 75. Watters, Charles, labourer
 77. Dickson, George, labourer
 79. Scott, George
 81. Gray, Charles, soldier
 83. Brown, Mrs.
 85. Brown, Edward, labourer
                               __________
   2. Ferris, William, moulder
   4. Gordon, James, labourer
   6. Wadsworth, A., motorman
   8. Boomer, Robert, labourer
 10. Higgins, Mrs.
 12. Sewell, Thomas
 14. Graham, Mrs.
 16. Finlay, Mrs.
 18. McIntosh, Mary
 20. Rosbotham, Thomas
 22. Darragh, Hugh, labourer
 24. Scott, Hugh, labourer
 26. Harkness, Annie
 28. Blair, Robert, labourer
 30. Greenlees, John, labourer
 32. Kane, A., labourer
 34. Greenlees, Joseph
 36. Hayes, R., coffin maker
 38. Thompson, Mrs.
 40. Costello, Mrs. E.
 42. Cardwell, John, labourer
 44. Watters, Mrs.
 46. Watters, William, labourer
 48. Mills, Thomas, labourer
 50. Slaven, Caroline
 52. King, John, labourer
 54. Moore, Robert, labourer
 56. Irvine, William, labourer
 58. Mills, William, soldier
 60. Bradshaw, ?
 62. Doggart, Mrs.
 64. Truesdale, Samuel
 66. Spence, W. E., labourer
 68. Mills, Eliza Jane
 70. Truesdale, Jane
 72. Topping, James, labourer
 74. Nesbitt, James, labourer
 76. Crawford, John
 78. Robinson, William, labourer
 80. Watters, William, labourer
 82. Kelly, Margaret
 84. Pike, Robert



Edith is listed also on the 1911 census as being at 44 Joseph Street, not unusual for families to move around the same street over the years as the children were added. (mine lived at about 5 different houses in McCleery St).  Edith was only 2 years married and had one child.

Theres a Mary Ann Hayes living at 39 Upper Meadow Street on 1911 census and the age matches, she is one of 4 living children (8 born) and working as a typist.




Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 11 September 17 11:20 BST (UK)
1943 Belfast Street Directory shows Edith McKenzie lived at #23 Joseph Street and Mary Ann Hayes #43.  The 3rd lady will likely be a neighbour too as they are all in their aprons and these would have been taken off if they were leaving the house to go shopping etc...  Photos were usually taken by street photographer as most people did not have the money to buy a camera of their own so neighbours  would have squeezed in together to get in the photo.  It may be it just happened these 3 were having a chat and a photo opportunity presented itself.  There was also a Mary McKenzie living at # 51 which may have been a relative of Edith and perhaps she is the 3rd lady.
...
  Edith is listed also on the 1911 census as being at 44 Joseph Street, not unusual for families to move around the same street over the years as the children were added. (mine lived at about 5 different houses in McCleery St).  Edith was only 2 years married and had one child.

44 is the enumerator's number for the household but the actual address is 80 Joseph St.-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001440475/
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: Rosinish on Thursday 12 October 17 01:24 BST (UK)
This is a Forum for Belfast which may be worth joining...

http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php

Annie
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: Charlie girl on Wednesday 21 August 19 14:49 BST (UK)
Does anyone know of Baxters that lived in Joseph Street?
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: Rosinish on Wednesday 21 August 19 16:36 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat  ;)

It would be beneficial to add forenames & yrs for others to relate to.

Annie
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: Charlie girl on Thursday 22 August 19 22:14 BST (UK)
It would be mid to late 1940s. I only know of 1 name - Agnes Baxter.
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: Nuala mckenzie on Wednesday 23 February 22 12:10 GMT (UK)
Hi there, I know this is an old thread but hoping that someone might have info about the McKenzie’s that lived here. The 1911 census shows a John( born in Belfast) and Mary mc kenzie (born in India)and they have 3 daughters. Hoping to find information on Jeannie mckenzie (daughter) age 4 1911 according to the census they lived at 43 Joseph street. Many thanks  :)
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 23 February 22 16:48 GMT (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat, Nuala  :)

The 1911 census shows a John( born in Belfast) and Mary mc kenzie (born in India)and they have 3 daughters. Hoping to find information on Jeannie mckenzie (daughter) age 4 1911 according to the census they lived at 43 Joseph street.

Here's the link to the 1911 census.
House 43 in Joseph Street (Court Ward, Antrim).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Court_Ward/Joseph_Street/149086/

From the Household Return (Form A) they lived at 82 Joseph Street.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001440473/


KG

Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 23 February 22 17:01 GMT (UK)

This might be the birth record of Jennie aged 4.

Annie Emma Jane McKenzie born at Maternity Hospital - 11th February 1907. Father John living at 21 Blenheim Street.   MMN Kelly
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01712/1678183.pdf

From LennonWylie indexes- 1908
Blenheim Street
(Malvern Street to Oriel Street)

21. McKenzie, John, labourer
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/bcomplete1908_3.htm


KG

Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 23 February 22 18:03 GMT (UK)
Quote
This might be the birth record of Jennie aged 4.
Annie Emma Jane McKenzie born at Maternity Hospital - 11th February 1907. Father John living at 21 Blenheim Street.   MMN Kelly
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01712/1678183.pdf
1911 census shows daughter Jennie born in India as were her mother & siblings.

No birth registration for a Ger* McKenzie or Mary McKenzie (born after Jennie).
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: Nuala mckenzie on Wednesday 23 February 22 18:11 GMT (UK)
Thank you for your help, I’m new to this so unsure how to reply to each post individually so forgive me in advance. I saw that she lived at st Joseph street thanks for the clarification regarding the address, as so the both it says she was born in India father born in Belfast. Jeannie mc kenzie from Belfast about the correct age appears on my late father in laws baptismal cert as his mother. He and his brother were put in an orphanage in Belfast, a few years apart and thought that maybe there was a connection. Without any records it’s left a huge gap in the family and I know that my late father in law always wondered what happened, he was a baby and his brother was a few years older. Again thank you all for your help.  :) my late father in law was called Brian born in 1933 and his brother was Desmond.
Title: Re: Do you know these people? Belfast, likely Joseph Street.
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 23 February 22 18:18 GMT (UK)
1912 Belfast directory shows John McKenzie at 82 Joseph St. (as 1911 census) and a James McKenzie at #80.
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/ijkcomplete1912.htm

Here's James McKenzie's household next door to John in 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Court_Ward/Joseph_Street/149087/
Marriage of James & Edith (maiden name Johnston) gives his father as Thomas McKenzie, a tailor-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10005/5638737.pdf
Living at 54 Belgrave St. when son James was born in 1910-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01585/1637899.pdf
Still at 80 Joseph St. in 1913-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01512/1614309.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01444/1590908.pdf
In 1914 address is 61 Joseph St.-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01397/1574556.pdf
In 1916 & 1919 they are living at 51 Joseph St.-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01330/1549243.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01234/1513271.pdf

Added- James & Edith living at 51 Joseph St. until Edith died in 1960s-
(James) https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/BurialSearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=7221.2377
(Edith) https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/BurialSearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6953.5458