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I'm looking for any children of Richard Lee and Elizabeth Ann Corey who married in Kilsby on 21st October 1790.
They may have had children in Kilsby, or Wansford. If this is the right Richard Lee, he died in Wansford in 1827. There are 2 burial dates of 1811 or 1820 for Elizabeth Lee in Wansford.
Richard later married Ann Cowham in 1820 in Wansford, and is recorded as being a widower.
Thanks, Skull
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Hi Skull.
There does not seem to be on the Northants baptism indexes.
If you ask Alan on my link below he maybe able to help.
Sandy
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Could Elizabeth Ann just have used Ann as her name?
BAPTISMS;
St Faith, Kilsby
RICHARD 4 Dec 1790
ANN 6 Jan 1793, buried 1 Oct 1793
JOHN 10 Aug 1794
ANN 1 Jan 1796
MAREY 11 Oct 1797
KEZIA 7 March 1802
All have Parents as RICHARD/ANN
Abode Kilsby
Aaah;
Marriage 1790 same Church;
Richard LEE, Bachelor, to Ann** COREY, Spinster
Witnesses Eleanor and Ann Usher
All on FreeREG1
Trish :)
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KEZIAH Lee married Joseph ESSEN 26 Sept 1826 St Faith, Kilsby
She is hard to find except 1871 Census, born c 1803 Kilsby.
Richard/Ann Lee seem to be still in Kilsby 1814 when they witness a Marriage of Mary Walker.
Found 1841 Census
Kilsby;
Kezia Essen, 35, Butchers Wife, ***
Thomas Pool, 25, Butcher
Marcey Lee, 40****
William Essen, 14
Ann Essen, 13
1861 Ann Essen is with her Uncle;
Richard Lee, 69, Head
Ann Essen, 31, Neice
Mary Cooke, 20
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I noticed the imge on Anc of the 1790 Marriage has Elizabeth Ann Corey. But doesnt the Elizabeth seem to be crossed out?
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I noticed the imge on Anc of the 1790 Marriage has Elizabeth Ann Corey. But doesnt the Elizabeth seem to be crossed out?
Agreed ... Elizabeth is crossed out on the Parish Register, and the Bishop's Transcript has taken note of that and recorded her as Ann.
She signed the register as Ann Corey.
(all Anc**)
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Thanks for that sugarbakers :)
Now something doesnt add up to me
1851 Census
Wansford, Northamptonshire
Ann Lee, 65, Head, Widow, Parish Allowance, born Hull, Yorkshire
Fanny Lee, 28, Daug, Unm, Servant, born Wansford
Richard Lee, 23, Son, Unm, Pitman, born Wansford
1841 Census
Ann Swart, 50, Seamstress, not born in County
Frances Swart, 19, Servant
Richard Swart, 14, Ag Lab
Now Richard wouldnt name 2 boys Richard.
The other Kilsby Family seems well off compared to Richard/Ann nee Cowham
Also there is aa burial in Kilsby for a ANN Lee age 36, this fits with Richard Lee/Ann Coreys Daug Ann Bapt 1796
I dont think they left Kilsby.
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More on Keziah/Marey Lee;
1851 Census
Kezia Elson, 48, Widow, Butcher
Ann Elson, 22, Daug, Governess
William Elson, 24, Son, Butcher
Mary Lee, 53, Sister, Unm, Post Mistress
I put the 1861 for Richard Lee earler with Ann Essen in Household
1851 in Kilsby we have;
Richard Lee, 59, Head, Mar, Farmer 178 Acres, born 1792 Kilsby
Jane Lee, 59, Wife, Mar
aah just noticed Kezia Essen etc are next door in 1851
1841 Census
Richard Lee, 45, Farmer
Jane Lee, 45
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That is a shame Trish I have graves for Wansford but not Kilsby.
Sandy
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Yes that is a shame.
I will leave this for now as need to know;
Which child of Richard are you descended from Skull?
Trish :)
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Apparently I have done Kilsby as well as Wansford graves although I can not see any of the surnames Skull.
Sandy
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Thank you for all of the information that you've unearthed.
It seems almost certain now that the Richard Lee from Kilsby isn't the same Richard Lee who lived and died in Wansford. The reason for my initial query was to try and find the first wife of Richard Lee (1762-1827), but particularly his parents, and where they came from.
I am descended from Richard's son, Richard Lee (1826-1912), and from him I can trace this side of my family up to the present day.
From the Bishop's Transcripts for Northamptonshire Baptisms, I know that Richard (1762-1827) was a schoolmaster in Wansford. When he married Ann Cowham he was a widower, so I guess he could have come from further afield than Northamptonshire, and that his first wife may have died elsewhere.
Thanks again
Skull
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Thanks for that explaination Skull.
Ok, so it is likely Elizabeth Lee buried 4 April 1820 Wansford may be Richards 1st Wife.
Sorry other than that I cant be much help.
Trish :)
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How about this one:
Richard Lee born in Kelmarsh in 1763, son of Richard and Ann Lee. Could he have possibly married an Elizabeth and moved to Wansford? Or did he remain in Kelmarsh?
Skull
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Some other possible thoughts:
If Richard Lee (bp c1790 or 1791 Kilsby), and being the son of Richard Lee and Elizabeth Ann Corey went onto marry Jane Ashley 3 Aug 1819 Broughton with witnesses George Ashby, Ann Lee, and others, then there is a bap for one Elizabeth Lee born 12 Dec 1821 and bp 10 Apr 1822, to a Richard and Jane Lee of Kilsby in Independent, Northampton RG4/2121. If we continue to look at other persons with chn baptised in that Community, then there were a wealth of Kilsby folk including fairly well off families: Satchwell, Ushers, Hammonds, Whitmores, Gardners, Thompson and the Essen family, including Joseph Essen who went on to marry Kezia Lee as reported earlier on this thread.
As for Richard, Kezia's older brother, I believe he would be the same, who along with the Usher family was 3/6 of a fourth part of the Manor of Kilsby in the mid-1800s and buried 25 May 1867 Kilsby. In 1861, he still had 134 acres and lived with his niece Ann Essen, as also mentioned previously.
As for me, I am still trying to establish the parents of the John Lee 1661 Manor of Kilsby [Indenture], knowing loss of church records in Kilsby and the Civil War issues in Kilsby in 1642.
Keith
Then, when Timothy Satchwell dies in c1818, he had bequeathed the Kilsby manor shares he had to Thomas and John Lee, his friends.
If we go back to 1661, then my ancestor John Lee had 1/4 share of the Kilsby manor, then in 1673, his son Andrew Lee with the help of 320 pounds from Thomas Boddington of Burbage, Leicester, most likely used that dowry when he married Jane Boddington 9 days later, to buy out his father's 1/4 share of the Kilsby Manor. No death or Will found for John Lee 1674 onwards (3 Hearth house in Kilsby).