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I need some help please. I need to identify who the parents of Eleanor Reed born between 1834 and 1837 in Meldon/Collerton
What I know for certain is she married Daniel Watson Richardson on 28 Nov 1859 in St Andrews, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
He was born Oct 1838 in Longbenton to George Richardson and Jane Craike (any leads on these 2 would be great as well!)
Regarding Eleanor Reed, I've become confused due to the different Eleanor Reeds and the variations in birth dates / locations on census. Perhaps fresh eyes and more experience will wield better results. I'm new to this!
Thank you
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What I know for certain is she married Daniel Watson Richardson on 28 Nov 1859 in St Andrews, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
Do you have the marriage certificate, that should give her father's name?
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On the online transcription of England Marriages 1538-1973 the father is listed as William Reed.
This hasn't helped me progress any further.
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The marriage cert would give you the father's occupation which may, or may not, help to narrow down the family in census returns. With luck witnesses may be relations and their names could help to narrow down the choices too.
An alternate to an official cert would be the parish register. If you are in the area then the registers can be viewed on microfilm at Tyne and Wear Archives and also at Northumberland Archives at Woodhorn.
There were two St Andrews in Newcastle, one Anglican and one Roman Catholic.
Boo
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I presume that you found Eleanor's birth place on the 1871 Census? I can't seem to see her on any othr Censuses.
There is a baptism in Newcastle in 1834 for an Eleanor, daughter of William, a shipwright, and Ann, at All Saints. Abode St Peter's Quay.
You ned to get the marriage certificate to confirm William Reed's occupation. the ref is
Dec 1859 Newcastle T vol 10b p 46
If you don't already have the information George Richardson married Jane Craike 28 May 1836 Newcastle All Saints.
Emeltom
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Thank you for your replies. Eleanor Reed was born in Meldon.
Can anyone advise what the cheapest way to get marriage certificates is please?
Thanks
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Through the GRO site - £9.25 and that includes postage.
www.gro.gov.uk
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If the marriage took place at St. Andrew's parish church then I can look at the record for you tomorrow - save the expenditure on the certificate.
I'm not sure where the records are for St. Andrew's RC church.
Christine
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If the marriage took place at St. Andrew's parish church then I can look at the record for you tomorrow - save the expenditure on the certificate.
I'm not sure where the records are for St. Andrew's RC church.
Christine
Christine, I believe it is the parish church of St Andrews. If you are able to look without too much trouble and it's near you, I'd really appreciate it!! What an offer, Thank You.
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I’m a regular visitor to Northumberland archives so a lookup with precise date and location only takes a few minutes. Here is your marriage
St. Andrew’s parish church, Newcastle
28th November 1859 By Banns
Daniel Watson Richardson, of full age, Bachelor, Husbandman, living in Gallowgate.
Father George Richardson, Husbandman
Eleanor Reed, of full age, Spinster, living in Gallowgate. Father William Reed, Husbandman
Daniel signed his name and Eleanor made her mark
Witnesses – Sarah Watson (who signed) and Ann Gallon (who made her mark)
Christine
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Forgot to mention
How sure are you that Eleanor Reed came from Meldon? I ask because it’s a tiny parish (in 1831 there were only 114 inhabitants) and I can see only one family called Reed and no-one named Eleanor. There is a daughter called Ellen baptised in 1831 and the father’s name is William.
Would you like the details?
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Thank you so much for all your help with this. This is where the confusion starts.
In the 1871 census
Eleanor Richardson born 1837 in Meldon married to
Daniel W Richardson born 1838 in Longbenton
This is definitely my couple. The birthplace appears to read Meldon, but a second pair of eyes to look at it would be good
In the 1861 census
Ellen Richardson born 1834 in Callerton (looks like a completely different person doesn't it) married to
Watson Richardson born 1838 in Killingworth (so this looks likely to be the same man)
The reason I think that the Ellen and Eleanor are one and the same is that the 2 eldest children match name, date and birthplace wise on both census.
So the 2 different birth places (and dates) make it confusing and hard to track down the mother and family, even with the fathers name and occupation
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The reason I think that the Ellen and Eleanor are one and the same is that the 2 eldest children match name, date and birthplace wise on both census.
I agree, the two eldest children have mother with the maiden name Reed.
Looks like Meldon to me as well.
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Meldon parish records have the following Reed baptisms
21 June 1818 Elizabeth daughter of William and Margaret Reed, labourer of Lane House
25 March 1821 John son of William and Margaret Reed, hind of Meldon Lane House
12 May 1823 Joseph son of William and Margaret Reed, hind of Lane House
28 Aug. 1825 Susannah daughter of William and Margaret Reed, labourer of Meldon
22 June 1828 Margaret daughter of William and Margaret Reed, labourer of Meldon
1 May 1831 Ellen daughter of William and Susannah Reed, labourer of Meldon
I’m certain that this last entry is an error and that her mother was also Margaret. Firstly the Northumberland marriage index 1813 – 1837 shows no William Reed being married to a Susannah and also the census record for 1851 still names Margaret as William’s wife so there is no indication that she died and he remarried.
Do any of these names crop up in the family?
Christine
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Thank you again Christine for all your efforts. Did you see my post above #11?
So far I only have Ellen (or Eleanor) and her father William in the tree. (And her husband and children etc)
If the Meldon Reeds above are the right ones, then we have yet another year of birth for Ellen - 1831, which I suppose is entirely possible.
As yet, I haven't identified the family for certain which is what I'm trying to do, so I don't have the siblings names.
It would be great if this is the right Ellen, but the confusion is the varying dates of birth and also the Callertob birth place on the other census.
I'm not sure what I should do next, whether I explore the Callerton option and see if that throws up a more likely person, and then if it doesn't, by default, the Meldon Reed family has to be the correct one....
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Sorry, I didn't make myself clear - I meant did any of those names crop up in Eleanor's children/grandchildren?
I'm not sure how you would follow up the Callerton angle. It would either be the parish of Ponteland (High Callerton and Little Callerton) or Newburn (Black Callerton) - there isn't a parish called Callerton.
Actually, she really is a bit of a mystery. In 1851 her birth place is given as Eshington!
Christine
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I've just looked at the '61 and '71 census (perhaps I should have done this before!)
On Find my past her birth year is shown as 1834 on both census returns and, since she's obviously a little older than her husband, I think it's simply vanity that is making her lie ;D
Her daughters' names are useful - Elizabeth and Margaret are fairly common but Susannah is not so frequently used. These are the names of Meldon Ellen's sisters so my vote is that your Eleanor is the girl from Meldon.
Christine
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Dear Christine
I’m not able to find anything about this Meldon Reed family apart from the baptisms. I agree that is seems as if this is my Margaret, but I can’t find any other information whatsoever, and no matching families from Ancestry or MyHeritage. I am guessing they were only in Meldon for a short time, and perhaps the children lived away from the parents or the parents died, but I can track the children either.
Does anyone have any suggestions please?
Thanks, Christian
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The second part of your request, information on parents of Daniel Watson Richardson.
There is a birth registered Tynemouth Union Oct Nov Dec quarter 1838 Vol 25 page 369 of a Daniel Watson Richardson mothers maiden name was WATSON.
Ref New GRO indexes
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In response to Christine's post, reply 15, you could follow up the Callerton angle by looking at the Church records for any family events such as baptisms.
For example, my ancestor was Ralph Marshall, a blacksmith born and raised in Meldon. After marriage to Isabella Atkinson he moved to Black Callerton several years later, and he had children baptised at the churches at Newburn (my Great x 2 Grandmother) and at Ponteland.
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Thank you River Tyne Lass, I think she is definitely the Meldon one, but can’t track the family anywhere else before or after!
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Thank you amongD, that is really helpful, but even with the mothers maiden name of Watson, I am unable to get any further. I think what I need now is the 1831 or 1841 census for this family. This is what I know
Son - Daniel Watson Richardson, born Oct/Nov/Dec 1838 Tynemouth, baptised 23 Dec 1838 Long Benton, married 28 Nov 1859 St Andrews, Newcastle to Eleanor Reed (witnesses include Sarah Watson ? Is this an Aunt or a cousin as mother is Jane Watson?)
Father George Richardson, born circa 1803 ?where
Mother Jane Watson, ?born where and when, but died before 1851 census (on which husband George is marked a widower)
Sister Ann Richardson, born circa 1824, Newburn
In 1851 census the two children and father are living in Brenkley
Any help find my missing 1841 and 1831 census, or ways to identify other children and their ages and the mothers date and place of birth and fathers place of birth would be hugely appreciated!
Best wishes, Christian ???
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1841 census Backworth Earsdon
George Richardson age 30 ag. lab born in county Yes
Jane 25
Ann 15
John 15
Bartholomew 10
William 9
Did not see Daniel Watson Richardson
Looks like Bartholomew married Susannah Carr 1850 and William married Ann Bryon 1854
There is another couple George 35 and Jane 35 in Tynemouth 1841 he is a mariner living on Bedford Street
Daughter Jane age 14, Thomas age 12 and Ann age 15
I would get the birth certificate to verify parents, did a brother of George marry a Watson?
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Between 1813 and 1837 there are 4 marriages for men called George Richardson to ladies called Jane!
One of them married Jane Watson on 8th April 1822 in Newburn.
Perhaps this is where you start searching - as River Tyne Lass said - it could give you the Callerton connection.
Christine
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1841 census Backworth Earsdon
George Richardson age 30 ag. lab born in county Yes
Jane 25
Ann 15
John 15
Bartholomew 10
William 9
Did not see Daniel Watson Richardson
Looks like Bartholomew married Susannah Carr 1850 and William married Ann Bryon 1854
There is another couple George 35 and Jane 35 in Tynemouth 1841 he is a mariner living on Bedford Street
Daughter Jane age 14, Thomas age 12 and Ann age 15
I would get the birth certificate to verify parents, did a brother of George marry a Watson?
Thank you for this.
Re the second family in Tynemouth, I did follow those up already. My George was definitely a widower on the 1851 census and this family appear on a different census with all alive, so it’s not them
Re the first family, could be...but doesn’t explain what happened to Daniel Watson Richardson who would have been 3 or 4 years old then. Not sure what you’re asking regarding a brother of George marrying a Watson, are you thinking he may have been orphaned after 1841 and taken on by brother George by 1851 census? If so, I have yet to pin down George’s family in order to identify siblings...
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Between 1813 and 1837 there are 4 marriages for men called George Richardson to ladies called Jane!
One of them married Jane Watson on 8th April 1822 in Newburn.
Perhaps this is where you start searching - as River Tyne Lass said - it could give you the Callerton connection.
Christine
Thank you Christine, yes, this is the marriage I have down for them, but unable to move forward from this re dates and places of birth and 1831 and 1841 census
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but unable to move forward from this re dates and places of birth and 1831 and 1841 census
There wasn't a 1831 census as such and the 1841 won't give you an exact place of birth, just whether or not they were born in the county where they were living.
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but unable to move forward from this re dates and places of birth and 1831 and 1841 census
There wasn't a 1831 census as such and the 1841 won't give you an exact place of birth, just whether or not they were born in the county where they were living.
I was hoping through identifying household members / siblings I might get more leads. Any ideas what I could look at next?
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1841 census Backworth Earsdon
George Richardson age 30 ag. lab born in county Yes
Jane 25
Ann 15
John 15
Bartholomew 10
William 9
Did not see Daniel Watson Richardson
Looks like Bartholomew married Susannah Carr 1850 and William married Ann Bryon 1854
There is another couple George 35 and Jane 35 in Tynemouth 1841 he is a mariner living on Bedford Street
Daughter Jane age 14, Thomas age 12 and Ann age 15
I would get the birth certificate to verify parents, did a brother of George marry a Watson?
I’ve been looking at the Backworth family again. I’m wanting opinions on whether this could be something (or is my imagination running wild)
I’m not too familiar with Northumberland geography, but have pieced together this, based on the fact Killingworth, Seghill and Burradon are all in close proximity.
Daniel Watson Richardson, b 1838 in Longbenton, except one census states born in Killingworth
1841 census has a Daniel Richardson, aged 4, living in Seghill (in one of the rows), with a whole host of Richardson’s in two neighbouring houses, all of whom are miners except the women and Daniel aged 4. From the way the names are listed, and the ages, it isn’t obvious who the parents are...
1841 census mentioned in Backworth is actually for Burradon specifically. Parents George Richardson and Jane as well as sister Ann fit the correct ages as you’ve said, but there’s no Daniel. This is a household of farmers.
Could it be that this is Daniels family, and they have moved him to live with Richardson relatives in nearby Seghill, or he is visiting at time of census. My Daniel later went on to become an agricultural labourer, not a miner.
Any thoughts what I should do next to explore this theory? I suppose to try to find the relationship between the adults of the 2 households. Any thoughts anyone?
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In 1851 census Brenkley, next door to widowed George Richardson, daughter Ann and son Daniel Watson Richardson, is a Swinney Family. Includes an unmarried daughter Sarah, aged 38, born Woodhorn.
A marriage in Newcastle, 1858, George Richardson and one of two possible brides is Sarah Swinhoe.
1861 census, Sandy Ford, Bolam,
George Richardson, 56, Farm Labourer, b. Mitford,
Sarah Richardson, 50, wife, b. Woodhorn.
RG9/3852/53/6
By 1871 Sarah is widowed, still living in Bolam, transcribed as Eichardson on you know what, living with Swinhoe relatives.
Needs more work but marriage cert will give Georges Fathers name and occupation, assuming he declared it.
There is a baptism of a George Richardson in Mitford, born 30 Nov 1799, baptized 22 Dec 1799. Parents Daniel Richardson and his wife Isabel, formerly Allison, of Benridge, 3rd son, father Native of Longbenton, mother native of Longhoughton.
A bit older than your George ages on census, but Daniel and Isabel have another son Daniel Richardson baptized 1805 Longhorsley.
In 1861 census, your Daniel Watson Richardson appears to be working for this Daniel Richardson. Daniel Richardson, age 56, Farmer of 65 acres at Bedlington Lane Farm, where your Daniel, listed as Watson Richardson, presumably to differentiate him from the Farmer, is working as a Farm Labourer.
Alan.
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As for the Backworth question, I think it's worth looking at further.
Killingworth was part of Longbenton parish and Backworth, Burradon and Seghill part of the neighbouring parish of Earsdon. If you can work out a relationship between the Richardsons in Seghill and your family it would help.
Christine
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As for the Backworth question, I think it's worth looking at further.
Killingworth was part of Longbenton parish and Backworth, Burradon and Seghill part of the neighbouring parish of Earsdon. If you can work out a relationship between the Richardsons in Seghill and your family it would help.
Christine
Thank you Christine for letting me know the parishes. I’m having to look everything up and have maps all over my wall!!
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I think the Backworth family in 1841 (minus Daniel) is the right one. The Daniel in Seghill is just an Ancestry mistranscription though, his real name is Daniel Ord, family above is Richardson, Ancestry must have assumed his fathers surname Ord was a ditto.
Some baptisms that fit the 1841 family :
Newburn - 28 March 1824. Ann, dau of George Richardson, Husbandman, and Jane, of Whorlton.
Ponteland - 17 Sep 1826. John, son of George Richardson, Hind, and Jane, of Black Callerton, Newburn Parish.
Ponteland - 22 Aug 1830, Bartholomew, son of George Richardson and Jane, of Donkins Houses, Newburn Parish.
There is a John Richardson age 53, born Ponteland, living in Gateshead in 1881 census with his family, including wife Rebecca and son Bartholomew aged 5. A baptism at Gateshead, born 28 June 1875, baptized 2 Aug 1875, Batholomew Watson Richardson, son of John and Rebecca.
The Ann Gallon who is a witness at Daniel Watson Richardsons marriage, 28 Nov 1859, Newcastle St. Andrew. A marriage at Newcastle St. Andrew 7 Nov 1859. Ann Richardson, Spinster, daughter of George Richardson, and Thomas Gallon, Widower.
Alan.
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I think the Backworth family in 1841 (minus Daniel) is the right one. The Daniel in Seghill is just an Ancestry mistranscription though, his real name is Daniel Ord, family above is Richardson, Ancestry must have assumed his fathers surname Ord was a ditto.
Some baptisms that fit the 1841 family :
Newburn - 28 March 1824. Ann, dau of George Richardson, Husbandman, and Jane, of Whorlton.
Ponteland - 17 Sep 1826. John, son of George Richardson, Hind, and Jane, of Black Callerton, Newburn Parish.
Ponteland - 22 Aug 1830, Bartholomew, son of George Richardson and Jane, of Donkins Houses, Newburn Parish.
There is a John Richardson age 53, born Ponteland, living in Gateshead in 1881 census with his family, including wife Rebecca and son Bartholomew aged 5. A baptism at Gateshead, born 28 June 1875, baptized 2 Aug 1875, Batholomew Watson Richardson, son of John and Rebecca.
The Ann Gallon who is a witness at Daniel Watson Richardsons marriage, 28 Nov 1859, Newcastle St. Andrew. A marriage at Newcastle St. Andrew 7 Nov 1859. Ann Richardson, Spinster, daughter of George Richardson, and Thomas Gallon, Widower.
Alan.
Alan, I don’t know how you get this information so quickly! I did wonder about the Ord / Richardson issue and wasn’t entirely sure. I had never heard of Ord as a surname, and I thought it had been corrected to mean a ditto. For evidence to lead towards the Backworth family being the right one, there is obviously the names and dates for George, Jane and Ann (but there are several sets of them that fit) but are you suggesting then that son John perhaps was also John Watson Richardson (like brother Daniel) and hence named his son Barthomlomew Watson Richardson carrying on the family name? It looks promising...
I wonder what happened to Daniel for 1841 census..
Exciting, it is looking like there is some progress at last
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Thank you Christine for letting me know the parishes. I’m having to look everything up and have maps all over my wall!!
If you haven't already got it, this place-name index from Genuki is very well worth bookmarking. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NBL/Gazetteer
It gives place-names and the parishes within which they were located.
Each parish page is also accompanied by a small location map.
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I think the Backworth family in 1841 (minus Daniel) is the right one. The Daniel in Seghill is just an Ancestry mistranscription though, his real name is Daniel Ord, family above is Richardson, Ancestry must have assumed his fathers surname Ord was a ditto.
Some baptisms that fit the 1841 family :
Newburn - 28 March 1824. Ann, dau of George Richardson, Husbandman, and Jane, of Whorlton.
Ponteland - 17 Sep 1826. John, son of George Richardson, Hind, and Jane, of Black Callerton, Newburn Parish.
Ponteland - 22 Aug 1830, Bartholomew, son of George Richardson and Jane, of Donkins Houses, Newburn Parish.
There is a John Richardson age 53, born Ponteland, living in Gateshead in 1881 census with his family, including wife Rebecca and son Bartholomew aged 5. A baptism at Gateshead, born 28 June 1875, baptized 2 Aug 1875, Batholomew Watson Richardson, son of John and Rebecca.
The Ann Gallon who is a witness at Daniel Watson Richardsons marriage, 28 Nov 1859, Newcastle St. Andrew. A marriage at Newcastle St. Andrew 7 Nov 1859. Ann Richardson, Spinster, daughter of George Richardson, and Thomas Gallon, Widower.
Alan.
Hi Alan, I've started to look through this now. I've come across a bit of a problem in that I'd estimated Janes birth to be circa 1806 based on daughter Ann being born in 1824 (which would be confirmed by the Backworth 1841 census as well as your suggested baptism which looks likely for the Backworth Ann in March 1824. According to the Backworth 1841 census, mother Jane was born in 1816, which puts her as aged 8 when she had Ann. I know that there are errors and people lie, but it seems very far out...I'll keep following it through though and see where it takes me...
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That birth year of 1816 also has her marrying George in 1822 aged 8
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On the Brenkley census of 1851, George Richardson place of birth appears in the centre of this screen shot. How would you interpret this, it looks like ?K N. Is it meant to mean not known, or something else do you think?
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In 1851 census Brenkley, next door to widowed George Richardson, daughter Ann and son Daniel Watson Richardson, is a Swinney Family. Includes an unmarried daughter Sarah, aged 38, born Woodhorn.
A marriage in Newcastle, 1858, George Richardson and one of two possible brides is Sarah Swinhoe.
1861 census, Sandy Ford, Bolam,
George Richardson, 56, Farm Labourer, b. Mitford,
Sarah Richardson, 50, wife, b. Woodhorn.
RG9/3852/53/6
By 1871 Sarah is widowed, still living in Bolam, transcribed as Eichardson on you know what, living with Swinhoe relatives.
Needs more work but marriage cert will give Georges Fathers name and occupation, assuming he declared it.
There is a baptism of a George Richardson in Mitford, born 30 Nov 1799, baptized 22 Dec 1799. Parents Daniel Richardson and his wife Isabel, formerly Allison, of Benridge, 3rd son, father Native of Longbenton, mother native of Longhoughton.
A bit older than your George ages on census, but Daniel and Isabel have another son Daniel Richardson baptized 1805 Longhorsley.
In 1861 census, your Daniel Watson Richardson appears to be working for this Daniel Richardson. Daniel Richardson, age 56, Farmer of 65 acres at Bedlington Lane Farm, where your Daniel, listed as Watson Richardson, presumably to differentiate him from the Farmer, is working as a Farm Labourer.
Alan.
If my George is the same George to marry Sarah after he is widowed, it’s interesting he moved to Bolam. I understand it’s a very small place. Daniel Watson Richardson’s wife Ellen / Eleanor Reed possibly was baptised there along with her siblings (see previous comments on this thread); so this is George’s daughter in law, but I don’t think the Reeds stayed there or were there for long (if it is the correct Reeds)
I’ve checked 1861 census and when George was living there with new wife Sarah, there were no Reeds living in Bolam.
I’m wondering if there’s some connection, perhaps this is how Daniel and Eleanor met...
If I can confirm that the 1799 Mitford George IS my George then that will be a HUGE breakthrough as there are extended trees and links on Ancestry for him. Reassuringly, none of the existing trees have further information about what happened to him after birth, spouses etc, so it just could be him...
Daughter Ann Richardson / Gallon does look correct. Thank you for that. The existing trees x2 on Ancestry for Thomas Gallon and Ann seem to have got the wrong Ann identified so don’t give any pointers re her parents.
Daniels mother and George’s first wife remains a mystery. Names as Jane in several places and as Watson in one, I’m not getting any leads. The other witness at Daniel and Eleanor’s Wedding was a Sarah Watson, not sure how she fits in...
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Big breakthrough! Thank you
The mysteriously missing Daniel Watson Richardson, aged 3, on the 1841 census is appearing on the census in the household of his Uncle, Daniel Richardson. Thank you Alan. I thought I'd check the 1841 census as he appeared with his family as living and working on his Uncle Daniels farm in 1861. Sure enough, there is a 3 year old Daniel on the census. This has to be the same person.
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Big breakthrough! Thank you
The mysteriously missing Daniel Watson Richardson, aged 3, on the 1841 census is appearing on the census in the household of his Uncle, Daniel Richardson. Thank you Alan. I thought I'd check the 1841 census as he appeared with his family as living and working on his Uncle Daniels farm in 1861. Sure enough, there is a 3 year old Daniel on the census. This has to be the same person.
Only issue now is he also appears on the 1851 census with his uncle, but I have already found an 1851 census where he is with his widowed father George and sister Ann, and this is defiantly him, he’s down as Daniel Watson Richardson on the census there and everything else fits.
Thoughts anyone? Are the two Daniels separate individual shows who happen to have the same birth year or are they one and the same and he has appeared in both census as an error as both households listed him as being there?
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Meldon parish records have the following Reed baptisms
21 June 1818 Elizabeth daughter of William and Margaret Reed, labourer of Lane House
25 March 1821 John son of William and Margaret Reed, hind of Meldon Lane House
12 May 1823 Joseph son of William and Margaret Reed, hind of Lane House
28 Aug. 1825 Susannah daughter of William and Margaret Reed, labourer of Meldon
22 June 1828 Margaret daughter of William and Margaret Reed, labourer of Meldon
1 May 1831 Ellen daughter of William and Susannah Reed, labourer of Meldon
I’m certain that this last entry is an error and that her mother was also Margaret. Firstly the Northumberland marriage index 1813 – 1837 shows no William Reed being married to a Susannah and also the census record for 1851 still names Margaret as William’s wife so there is no indication that she died and he remarried.
Do any of these names crop up in the family?
Christine
Christine, I can’t locate this 1851 census with William and Margaret on, can you let me know where they were living and who was in the household so I can find it please. I’m feeling pretty useless, is it because it’s not on Ancestry?
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I start with Find my Past when it comes to census records as they give you exactly what you ask for, unlike Ancestry :-\
You will find them listed as REID living at Fawdenhouse, Morpeth. Ref. HO107/2418
Christine
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I start with Find my Past when it comes to census records as they give you exactly what you ask for, unlike Ancestry :-\
You will find them listed as REID living at Fawdenhouse, Morpeth. Ref. HO107/2418
Christine
Thanks Christine, found it. With Find my Past do you require a subscription for the information you are accessing there?
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Meldon parish records have the following Reed baptisms
21 June 1818 Elizabeth daughter of William and Margaret Reed, labourer of Lane House
25 March 1821 John son of William and Margaret Reed, hind of Meldon Lane House
12 May 1823 Joseph son of William and Margaret Reed, hind of Lane House
28 Aug. 1825 Susannah daughter of William and Margaret Reed, labourer of Meldon
22 June 1828 Margaret daughter of William and Margaret Reed, labourer of Meldon
1 May 1831 Ellen daughter of William and Susannah Reed, labourer of Meldon
I’m certain that this last entry is an error and that her mother was also Margaret. Firstly the Northumberland marriage index 1813 – 1837 shows no William Reed being married to a Susannah and also the census record for 1851 still names Margaret as William’s wife so there is no indication that she died and he remarried.
Do any of these names crop up in the family?
Christine
New thread started here http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=785191.msg6402651#msg6402651
I thought Christine had actually seen the parish register, which is where she found these entries?
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That's exactly where they came from, Jen
Christine
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Just noticed your query re Find my Past - yes, you would need subscription to obtain the detail
Christine
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Christine, I can’t locate this 1851 census with William and Margaret on, can you let me know where they were living and who was in the household so I can find it please. I’m feeling pretty useless, is it because it’s not on Ancestry?
The 1851 entry Christine refers to is also on Ancestry.
Just search for William Reid born Meldon.
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That's exactly where they came from, Jen
Christine
Christine, I didn’t realise that you’d taken so much trouble to actually look. Thank you so much! As you say, Susannah looks like it must be an error as Margaret appears in later census, perhaps confusion with daughter Susannah.
Somebody on Ancestry has a tree with my George, with son John and his wife and family, indicating Margaret as a Margaret TROPE, but it isn’t clear how they arrived at that conclusion.
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Christine, I can’t locate this 1851 census with William and Margaret on, can you let me know where they were living and who was in the household so I can find it please. I’m feeling pretty useless, is it because it’s not on Ancestry?
The 1851 entry Christine refers to is also on Ancestry.
Just search for William Reid born Meldon.
Thanks Jen, I managed to find it
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I think that the Margaret is Margaret Trobe (or Trolop) and that she married William Reed in Ponteland on 31st Jan 1813
Is there any more detail on Find My Past or any other site that could give more information on this?
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According to the Northumberland marriage index 1813 - 1837 William Reed and Margaret Trobe were married in Warkworth on 7th February 1813.
I seems likely that the information you are looking at is one of the banns being published in Ponteland which would be where one of the two was resident.
Going back to the marriage index, this is the only marriage of a William Reed and Margaret which would fit the bill - others are listed but all much later than their childrens' baptisms.
Christine
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I think the marriage is the right one.
Warkworth 7 Feb 1813. William Reed of the Parish of Ponteland and Margaret Trobe of the Parish of Brainshaugh.
Witnesses William Trobe and Ann Thompson
There is a Margaret Reid in 1861 in Longhirst Village, same place as in 1851 with husband William and daughter Eleanor, but now widowed.
Margaret Reid, wid, 69, b. Brainshaugh Chapelry,
RG9/3874/28/1
Alan.
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I think the marriage is the right one.
Warkworth 7 Feb 1813. William Reed of the Parish of Ponteland and Margaret Trobe of the Parish of Brainshaugh.
Witnesses William Trobe and Ann Thompson
There is a Margaret Reid in 1861 in Longhirst Village, same place as in 1851 with husband William and daughter Eleanor, but now widowed.
Margaret Reid, wid, 69, b. Brainshaugh Chapelry,
RG9/3874/28/1
Alan.
Thank you Alan
The Margaret Trobe I thought it was, born in 1793 in Shilbottle, daughter of Jane and John, it turns out died in 1800 aged 7, so obviously it’s not her. I can’t track the Brainshaugh Margaret Trobe you refer to, only another Margaret Trobe born in Bamburgh 1791, so definitely not her. Where did you find the details of the Brainshaugh Margaret Trobe please?
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The marriage at Warkworth is on Familysearch Durham Bishops Transcripts. Gives the brides abode as Brainshaugh.
There is a baptism at Warkworth on Familysearch, 1 July 1792, Margaret Trollop, daughter of Thomas Trollop.
Trollop and Trobe seem to be interchangeable. Some Family Trees on Ancestry have Thomas Trobe/Trollop as a Miller at Guyzance Mill, near to Brainshaugh, with several children baptized at Warkworth.
Alan.
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The marriage at Warkworth is on Familysearch Durham Bishops Transcripts. Gives the brides abode as Brainshaugh.
There is a baptism at Warkworth on Familysearch, 1 July 1792, Margaret Trollop, daughter of Thomas Trollop.
Trollop and Trobe seem to be interchangeable. Some Family Trees on Ancestry have Thomas Trobe/Trollop as a Miller at Guyzance Mill, near to Brainshaugh, with several children baptized at Warkworth.
Alan.
Thank you Alan, I’ve located this now and it seems to fit, and has given me a good lead to more to work on.
I’ve been trying to find the missing 1841 census with William Reed, Margaret and 10 year old daughter Ellen / Eleanor but to no avail.
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I think this is probably them, name mistranscribed as Reen on Ancestry.
1841, Mare Close, Earsdon.
William Reed, 50, Ag Lab, Y
Margaret ", 45, Y,
John ", 20, Ag Lab, Y,
Margaret ", 14, Y,
Eleanor ", 10, Y,
HO107/820/20/4/1
Childrens names and ages match some of the Meldon baptisms.
Alan.
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I think this is probably them, name mistranscribed as Reen on Ancestry.
1841, Mare Close, Earsdon.
William Reed, 50, Ag Lab, Y
Margaret ", 45, Y,
John ", 20, Ag Lab, Y,
Margaret ", 14, Y,
Eleanor ", 10, Y,
HO107/820/20/4/1
Childrens names and ages match some of the Meldon baptisms.
Alan.
Definitely looks like them, they seemed to have moved around a bit! Thank you yet again.
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I think this is probably them, name mistranscribed as Reen on Ancestry.
1841, Mare Close, Earsdon.
William Reed, 50, Ag Lab, Y
Margaret ", 45, Y,
John ", 20, Ag Lab, Y,
Margaret ", 14, Y,
Eleanor ", 10, Y,
HO107/820/20/4/1
Childrens names and ages match some of the Meldon baptisms.
Alan.
Definitely looks like them, they seemed to have moved around a bit! Thank you yet again.
Dear Alan, Christine, Jen (or anyone else who can help please)
I'm looking over this again. I'm very confident in the William Reed - Margaret Trobe/Trollop marriage and their childrens baptisms in Meldon plus the 1841, 1851 census for this family and 1861 for the widowed Margaret Reed nee Trobe.
I'm much less confident in the link from my Ellen/Eleanor Reed who married Daniel Watson Richardson and the Ellen/Eleanor Reed born to William Reed and Margaret Trobe/Trollop in Meldon in 1831. The reason for this is the mainly the greatly varying birth years, birth places and the fact the names are very common (Ellen/Eleanor Reed and her known parents William Reed and Margaret). There is also the likely but not certain error with the mothers name to Meldons Ellen being Susannah instead of Margaret.
Is there a good way to firm up this link from what I know about my Ellen/Eleanor who married Daniel Watson Richardson, and the assumed link to Ellen/Eleanor daughter in Meldon.
The assumed records for 1841 and 1851 and certain records for 1861 and 1871 are as follows
1841 living in Seghill
William Reed b1791 Northumberland, Ag. Lab
Margaret Reed b1796 Northumberland
John Reed b1821 Northumberland, Ag. Lab
Margaret Reed b1827 Northumberland
Eleanor Reed b1830 Northumberland
1851 living in Fawdenhouse, Longhirst
William Reid b1791 Meldon, Ag. Lab
Margaret Reid b1793 Warkworth
Eleanor Reid b1832 Eslington
1861 living in Bedlington Lane Farm, Bedlington, Morpeth
Watson Richardson b1839 Killingworth, Ag. Lab
Ellen Richardson b1834 Callerton
Elizabeth Richardson b1859 Longhirst (this is useful, I hadn't spotted before, eldest daughter born in Longhirst where 1851 Eleanor was living with parents)
Jane A Richardson b1861 Bedlington
1871 living in Cross Row, Bigges Main
Daniel W Richardson b1838 Longbenton, Ag. Lab
Eleanor Richardson b1832 Meldon
Elizabeth Richardson b1859 Longhirst
Jane A Richardson b1861 Bedlington
Margaret Richardson b1862 Bedlington
Susannah Ricachardson b1867 Wallsend
Ann Richardson b1868 Longbenton
Eleanor Richardson b 1870 Longbenton
To add to this, we then have the Meldon baptisms as follows
21 June 1818 Elizabeth daughter of William and Margaret Reed, labourer of Lane House
25 March 1821 John son of William and Margaret Reed, hind of Meldon Lane House
12 May 1823 Joseph son of William and Margaret Reed, hind of Lane House
28 Aug. 1825 Susannah daughter of William and Margaret Reed, labourer of Meldon
22 June 1828 Margaret daughter of William and Margaret Reed, labourer of Meldon
1 May 1831 Ellen daughter of William and Susannah Reed, labourer of Meldon
I want to be as certain as I can about this link as Margaret Trobe/Trollop leads to an interesting and fairly well researched line from Guyzance Mill and it will take me back another 4 generations on her line.
kind regards
Christian
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Just a quick clarification - place of birth for her in 1851 is actually Eshington not Eslington. Eshington was a frequently used form of Ashington (something to do with the way locals pronounced it, I think).
Ashington was in the same parish as Longhirst back then (Bothal).
Christine
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Eleanor Reed has a sister Susannah Reed, baptized Meldon, 1825.
Susan Reed, b. Meldon, is in service in 1851 and 61 census.
Susan Reed and John Joyce are on the same marriage page, Oct qtr 1866, Newcastle.
1871 census :
Fawdon Cottage, Fawdon House, Longhirst,
John Joyce, head, mar, 51, Labourer, b. Bothal,
Susan Joyce, wife, mar, 45, b. Meldon
RG10/5167/40/10
1881 census :
Fawdon House, Longhirst,
Susan Joyce, head, wid, 54, b. Bothal,
Ann Richardson, niece, 12, b. Bothal.
RG11/5118/57/23
1891 census :
Fawdon House, Longhirst,
Susan Joyce, head, wid, 66, b. Meldon,
RG12/4259/64/25
The niece Ann Richardson in 1881 is probably the daughter of Daniel and Ellen Richardson. Her mother died the previous week.
Morpeth Herald April 9 1881 :
At Bigges Main on the 29th ult, age 47, Ellen widow of the late Mr Watson Richardson, much lamented.
Alan.
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Eleanor Reed has a sister Susannah Reed, baptized Meldon, 1825.
Susan Reed, b. Meldon, is in service in 1851 and 61 census.
Susan Reed and John Joyce are on the same marriage page, Oct qtr 1866, Newcastle.
1871 census :
Fawdon Cottage, Fawdon House, Longhirst,
John Joyce, head, mar, 51, Labourer, b. Bothal,
Susan Joyce, wife, mar, 45, b. Meldon
RG10/5167/40/10
1881 census :
Fawdon House, Longhirst,
Susan Joyce, head, wid, 54, b. Bothal,
Ann Richardson, niece, 12, b. Bothal.
RG11/5118/57/23
1891 census :
Fawdon House, Longhirst,
Susan Joyce, head, wid, 66, b. Meldon,
RG12/4259/64/25
The niece Ann Richardson in 1881 is probably the daughter of Daniel and Ellen Richardson. Her mother died the previous week.
Morpeth Herald April 9 1881 :
At Bigges Main on the 29th ult, age 47, Ellen widow of the late Mr Watson Richardson, much lamented.
Alan.
This is hugely helpful Alan, thank you. This is exactly the sort of back up confirmation I was looking for. I would love to know your processes and how you research. Thank you again.
Christian
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Quick update -
I have been working through the Meldon siblings of Ellen/Eleanor Reed this afternoon, following Alans lead and likely confirmation that this is the correct family. I was hoping to be lucky and find a DNA match amongst them.
I traced Joseph Reeds descendants down several generations on My Heritage, utilising their Smartmatch function along the way and lo and behold, a DNA match from Josephs x4 great granddaughter in Australia to my Mum. Its so satisfying to set out with a purpose and utilise DNA matches this way to confirm research is correct and also to confirm assumed paternity is correct.
Thank you again to everyone in this forum for your time and help; without you I wouldn't have got to this stage.
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Alan, I obtained a copy of the Marriage Certificate of George Richardson & Sarah Swinhoe as you suggested. It has confirmed that Georges fathers name was also Daniel Richardson (same as Georges son Daniel Watson)
This supports the theory that Georges father is Daniel Richardson b 10 May 1767 in Longbenton and his mother is Isabel Allison b 29 Mar 1767 in Meldon (Meldon also being where George was born)
You suspected these were the parents previously and said George was baptised in Mitford, and there was also the link with their other son being called Daniel Richardson and my Daniel Watson Richardson appearing to be working for him (his Uncle)
Can anyone please help me with reading the residence name (I think something street) and the name of the first witness?
Looks like I now have both Daniel Watson Richardsons paternal grandparents as well as Eleanor Reeds maternal grandparents!
The search will now move to the parents of Daniel mother, Jane Watson born before 1808 and died before 1851 and also of Eleanors father, William Reed b circa 1791 in Meldon
Thanks, Christian
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Can anyone please help me with reading the residence name (I think something street) and the name of the first witness?
Residence is Percy St., Witness is James Welch
Boo
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Can anyone please help me with reading the residence name (I think something street) and the name of the first witness?
Residence is Percy St., Witness is James Welch
Boo
Thank you Boo
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I wonder if anyone is able to help again.
Myself and the person who is a DNA match with me via Eleanor Reeds siblings John Reeds descendant have a shared DNA match. This person has a tree that leads up to a William Reed b circa 1816 in Woodhorn, Northumberland.
We believe that he may be another sibling of Eleanor and John Reed, and child of William Reed b1791 Meldon and Margaret Trobe/Trollop b1792 Brainshaugh. The reason for this is a)the DNA match b)the fact that parents William Reed and Margaret Trobe married in 1813 and their first child otherwise wasn't until Elizabeth in 1818 c)it would mean the first child was named after his father
I am searching for any scrap of evidence to back this up. I haven't been able to find this William Reeds baptism or anything else to confirm it is the same person.
Here are the details I know about him
William Reed b circa 1816 Woodhorn, Northumberland
married Margaret Brewes July 1846 Gateshead, Durham
Children -
William T Reed b1848 Bermondsey
John Reed b1850 Bermondsey
George H Reed b1851 Bermondsey
Mary E Reed b1857 Bermondsey
Any help to confirm this link would be great, or indeed to confirm it isn't.
thank you
Christian
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I'm not seeing a relevant baptism on freereg for Woodhorn but there is one in Horton.
24 March 1816 William Reed, parents - William Reed, Husbandman, and Margaret. Living at Stickley
Horton at one time was part of Woodhorn parish.
Christine
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That sounds promising, thanks again for the local geographical knowledge. I will try to find the original record and hope for a mother’s maiden name!
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Unfortunately the mothers maiden name isn’t given (I think you were looking at the original scanned record also sorry)
I can’t locate a copy of the marriage record to see who the witnesses were or who was listed as the father unfortunately.
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Unfortunately the mothers maiden name isn’t given (I think you were looking at the original scanned record also sorry)
Not this time - I was looking at a transcription :) but from 1813 records were standardised and it is unusual to have a mother's maiden name included if she was married to the child's father. Also - the transcription on freereg would have included the maiden name if it had been given
Christine
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I am now trying to look to find baptisms/more accurate dates of birth of all the children of Daniel Watson Richardson and Eleanor Reed, siblings to Ellen Richardson b circa 1870 Bigges Main. It’s been hard to get a lead on their future marriages etc without this
This is how they appear in the 1871 census
Elizabeth Richardson b circa 1859 Longhirst
Jane A Richardson b circa 1861 Bedlington
Margaret Richardson b circa 1862 Bedlington
Susannah Richardson b circa 1867 Wallsend
Ann Richardson b circa 1868 Longbenton
Eleanor Richardson b circa 1870 Bigges Main
Any pointers on where to look or is it likely they weren’t baptised?
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If you use the GRO site you can search with mother's maiden name that will give you the quarter of birth and you can order birth certificates for £6 on line.
e.g.
RICHARDSON, ELEANOR mmn REED
GRO Reference: 1869 D Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 180
RICHARDSON, ANN mmn REED
GRO Reference: 1868 J Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 198
www.gro.gov.uk
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Thank you, I probably should have known that already! I’m learning on the go....