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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: Tom Piper on Monday 13 February 17 18:22 GMT (UK)
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She is listed on the 1871 Census in the home of Elizabeth Moore a widowed farmer, living at Lane Land, Rackenford, as being her grand-daughter. Also at the farm is Elizabeth Moore’s daughter Sarah, 16 years of age and unmarried.
I am researching the above named person, who in 1881 is listed as being the niece of a James Kirk, born in Ireland, living in Boston, Lincolnshire, aged 16. This article in a local newspaper describes her marriage to a Robert HIND of Morton, Lincolnshire.
Grantham Journal - Saturday 21 March 1891
MARRIAGES:
HIND-MOORE: At the Wesleyan Centenary Chapel, Boston, on the 17th inst., (By the Rev. W. Watkinshaw), Mr. Robert HIND, of Dyke, Bourn, and Boston, to Edith Emma MOORE, adopted daughter of Mr. J. G. Kirk, Elm House, Boston.
I see from Rootschat that baptisms at Rackenford church ended in 1859, but there were other chapels there as well. Any idea how I could find her baptism?
Tom
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Ignore - info already known
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Also at the farm is Elizabeth Moore’s daughter Sarah, 16 years of age and unmarried.
You appear to be suggesting that Sarah was the mother of Edith Emma. She would only have been 10yrs old when she gave birth??
Do you have a copy of the 1865 birth cert showing her mothers christian name
GRO online maiden name search suggests she was illegitimate
EDIT - Daughter Sarah was 25 - not 16 in 1871 ::)
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Dead right Carol, no of course Sarah can't be her mother. I don't have the birth certificate, so that's why I was searching for her baptism, but just found her marriage record which says her father was John Moore, a butcher. I have found that a John Moore, was the husband of Elizabeth Moore, the 60 year old widow, at the farm in 1871, but in 1861, they have a son called John Moore, who was a cattle dealer & butcher. I have found that he was declared bankrupt in 1864. Not heard of that GRO online maiden name search before.
Tom
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Dead right Carol, no of course Sarah can't be her mother.
Have you seen my edit above?
Link to maiden name search
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
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There was an Emma Moor, daughter of William and Charlotte baptised at Rackenford in September 1864, but I can't see any of them after that
Steve
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Sorry, you can discount her - she's with her father in 1881 and a servant locally in 1891
Steve
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I think I've found her now - Edith Emma Moore baptised at Tiverton Dec 15 1864 (born Nov 24) d of John and Eliza of Tiverton; father butcher and grocer. The 1871 census states she was born in Tiverton
Steve
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GRO has Edith Emma Moore mmn MOORE - Tiverton Mar Qtr 1865 5b-467.
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When I did the maiden name search on that 1865 - no actual mmn was shown suggesting an illegitimate birth. Just done it again and it shows Moore - weird!!
Possible death for her father
Deaths March qtr 1870
John Moore 33 Tiverton 5b 366
The only sure way is to buy a copy of the birth cert
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I think that 1870 death is the son of Elizabeth Moore (grandmother to Edith Emma)
In 1861 the Moore's also had a daughter Elizabeth who was then 21 plus Sarah who was then 16 and Emma aged 10
So Edith could have been either Elizabeth or Sarah's daughter
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See above - she was the daughter of John Moore and Eliza Moore nee Moore. The marriage was in Exeter district March q. 1864
Steve
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As Edith is with her grandmother Elizabeth Moore in 1871 she must be the daughter of their son John born 1837 Rackenford died 1870 who was a butcher in 1861.
There is an 1873 marriage in Lincolnshire - Eliza Moore & John Kirk on same page
But - the newspaper item of Edith's marriage has her as the adopted daughter of Mr James Kirk
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Possible death of Edith's mother given the 1873 marriage was in Boston
Deaths December qtr 1874
Eliza Kirk 36 Boston 7a 282
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As Edith is with her grandmother Elizabeth Moore in 1871 she must be the daughter of their son John born 1837 Rackenford died 1870 who was a butcher in 1861.
There is an 1873 marriage in Lincolnshire - Eliza Moore & John Kirk on same page
But - the newspaper item of Edith's marriage has her as the adopted daughter of Mr James Kirk
Carole - Original post says she is described as niece of James Kirk on the 1881 census.
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Hi
Yes I know - that's why I posted as follows with a "But"
But - the newspaper item of Edith's marriage has her as the adopted daughter of Mr James Kirk
If that is Eliza's death - John Kirk may not have wanted Edith or was unable to care for her. I wondered whether James G Kirk was John's brother
James G & his wife Sarah were both born Ireland and don't appear to have had any children of their own
The 1871 has a 40yr old unmarried John Kirk b Belfast living in lodgings in Lincs. James G Kirk was b 1830 Drumkirk
EDIT
In 1891 James G Kirk is shown as b Belfast
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Hi everyone
Well we have moved on since I started this thread yesterday. Yes Carol, that death of John Moore in 1870 seems to be our man.
Western Times - Friday 11 February 1870
DEATHS: MOORE, February 4, at Tiverton, Mr. John Moore, butcher, aged 33, much respected.
John Moore, was a butcher, and was 24 in 1861. So that would leave his wife Eliza, a widow in 1870.
MOORE, John, Probate: Effects under £300:
7 March 1870: The Will of John MOORE, late of Tiverton, in the County of Devon, Butcher, deceased, who died 4 February, 1870 at Angel Hill, Tiverton, aforesaid, was proved at Exeter by the oath of Richard Furze of Rackenford, in the County aforesaid, Yeoman, sole executor.
Tom
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Just wonder the source for that baptism of Edith Emma Moore at Tiverton in 1864?
I am now trying to search for John Moore's marriage to Eliza Moore, which appears to be in 1864 as previously mentioned. It looks like Eliza was born in Rackenford too, so probably a cousin of John. That theory about Eliza re-marrying a John Kirk, but then a parent dying, and James Kirk taking on the young child is quite feasible, but proving it is another matter.
Tom
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Well everyone that theory is partly correct, because Eliza Moore, born 1843, Rackenford, the widow of John Moore, did marry a John Kirk in Boston, because in the 1881 Census, she is in Boston, married to John Kirk, a boot dealer, born County Down, Ireland with a family as well. In that same census, Edith Emma Moore her daughter with her previous husband is at the home of James Kirk, also born in Ireland, so most likely John's brother, seeing as James Kirk's father is John Kirk. James G. Kirk, son of John Kirk ,married Sarah Scott, daughter of James Scott at Enniskillen,Ferm,Ireland on 30th November 1860. In that census for 1881, James Kirk born Ireland is living in Boston, Lincolnshire, with his wife Sarah Kirk nee Scott, born Enniskillen, Ireland-also there is her aunt Sarah Scott. In a court case in 1882, John Kirk gives evidence and says he is partnership with his brother James Greenfield Kirk in a boot and shoe business.
So thanks everyone for your imput-reckon it was just a matter of partners. I still would like to know that source please Old Bristolian.
Tom
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I think it is Exeter 5b145 Mar 1864 Qtr -if right, the other couple being John Underhill & Ann Plymsell.
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Sorry Tom, for not giving details. It's taken from the Tiverton PR, images on Find My Past. If you don't have access to that, it is usually available in your local library. If not, send me a pm. The marriage I found on Free BMD - you'd have to get the cert. to see the details,
Steve
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I've just checked and the 1864 marriage is on FindMyPast too. February 17th 1864 at St John & St George church, Exeter. John Moore, 28, butcher, bach. St Georges St. Father John Moore, butcher to Eliza Moore, 22 sp.St Georges Street . Father Richard Moore, cattle dealer. Both signed, witnesses Robert Adams (?) and Matilda Viccary (?) Banns
Steve
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Fantastic! Brilliant confirms loads of things there. Have sent you a PM
Tom