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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: Magheraknock on Tuesday 14 February 17 17:46 GMT (UK)
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I am researching William John Young born about 1851. His parents were Robert and Isabella Young. William John married a Margaret Jane Adams (1862-1922) on 25.10.1877. They had 13 children, 9 were still alive in 1911. One of the children Margaret Young (1886 - 1958) married a David McMullan (1887-1958). These were my grandparents. I'm keen to trace descendants of Margarets siblings, Lizzie 1878, William 1879, Maria 1881, Matilda 1882 may have married a Samuel Rice. Mary 1884 married a William Brooks. Robert 1888. Emma or Emily 1890 married a Henry Devlin, Thomas James 1892, Agnes 1895. Ella 1905 emigrated to Canada in 1925 and married in 1926 to John Cameron Johnston. There hast to be descendants living in the Cookstown, Moneymore, Magherafelt or Coach District. The Young family seemed to have connections to St.Lukes Tamlaght, Ballyeglish Loup, and St.Johns Ballinderry.
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Matilda Young, age 20, of Ballyeglish, married Samuel Rice 1903 in St. Matthias'
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10223/5721097.pdf
Children-
William Joseph (1904)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01820/1712241.pdf
Samuel (1906)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01755/1692176.pdf
Frederick (1910)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01575/1634942.pdf
can't see them in 1911 so perhaps left Ireland
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William Brooks married Mary Young in 1904-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1904/10214/5717873.pdf
Thomas Kennedy Brooks (1905)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01766/1695430.pdf
Young family in 1911- includes grandson Thomas Kennedy Young-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Salterstown/Druminard/614278
Daughter Emily married Henry Devlin in 1910-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09999/5636366.pdf
Children-
Margaret Elizabeth (1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01505/1611524.pdf
Joseph John (1913)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01445/1591409.pdf
Thomas James (1915)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01382/1568533.pdf
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Ella 1905 emigrated to Canada in 1925 and married in 1926 to John Cameron Johnston.
In 1911 census Ella is listed as grand-daughter not daughter (link posted above)
Birth certificate says mother was Margaret Young so she is a grand-daughter-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01788/1702288.pdf
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Maria's birth (1881)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02845/2042816.pdf
Young family in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Springhill/Ballymoyle/1534806
Son Frederick died 1908 age 9- mother Margret Young registered the death-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05474/4532309.pdf
his birth in 1899-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02033/1779431.pdf
An Annie Young has a son Frederick in 1915- perhaps Agnes?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01382/1568535.pdf
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Thomas James Young born 1892-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02340/1875373.pdf
Possibly living as a servant away from home-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Springhill/Ballygonny_More/615458
William John Young born 1879-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02923/2071206.pdf
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13 children according to 1911 census (9 living)-
1. Eliza (24 Mar.1878)
2. William John (10 June 1879)
3. Maria (1 Jan.1881)
4. Matilda (26 Oct.1882)
5. Mary (19 Aug.1884) alive 1911 (to Canada)
6. Margaret (17 July 1886)
7. Robert (32 May 1888)
8. Emma/Emily (25 May 1890) alive 1911
9. Thomas James (1 July 1892)
10. Agness (8 Jan.1895)
11. Edith (23 Jan.1898-1 Oct.1898)
birth- https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02099/1799978.pdf
death- https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05816/4646703.pdf
12. Frederick (17 June 1899-1908)
13. Edith (12 Nov.1900-24 Nov.1900)- grandmother Matilda Adams registered death
birth- https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01978/1762342.pdf
death- https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05748/4623384.pdf
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Last 2 daughters called Edith (both died young) and in 1911 there's an Edith Lewis Taggart visiting. Her birth registered by Magie Young!
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01832/1715731.pdf
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One of the children Margaret Young (1886 - 1958) married a David McMullan (1887-1958). These were my grandparents.
The only marriage I can find for a David McMullan/Margaret Young is in Castlederg in 1880s- far too early. There is a birth for a child of a David McMullan & Margaret Young in Moygashel in 1914 (David)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01425/1584841.pdf
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Posted earlier-
William Brooks married Mary Young in 1904-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1904/10214/5717873.pdf
Thomas Kennedy Brooks (1905)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01766/1695430.pdf
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William's father was Thomas Kennedy Brooks & in 1901 Mary Young was a servant in the Brooks household-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Springhill/Ballydawley/1534774
His mother Jane died in 1903 and by 1911 the family seem to have left Ballydawley-
Administration of the estate of Jane Brooks late of Ballydawley County Londonderry Widow who died 15 October 1903 granted at Londonderry to William Brooks Farmer.
Looks like they moved to Canada- William says 1906 & son 1910 (although we know he was with grandparents in Ireland in 1911). Daughters Margaret & Jeanie & 2 sons (William & Alexander) born in Manitoba. 1916 census-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KMGT-T9Z
A Margaret Brooks born 18 June 1907 Boissevain which is same area where William Brooks (age 69) died on 1 June 1940.
Two other Brooks births in district-
William John Brooks 21 Dec.1908
Alexander Brooks 12 Sept.1913
Kennedy Thomas Brooks, age 82, died 17 Dec.1987 Burnaby, British Columbia
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1921 Canadian census- Boissevain, Souris district
William Brooks (51) labourer
Mary Brooks (36)
Madge Brooks (13)
William J. Brooks (12)
Jane Brooks (9)- born 24 July 1911 (mother May Young)
Alexander Brooks (7)
& 1 boarder
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Invaluable material! Mary Young and William Brookes moving to Manitoba Canada is new information, It is interesting that Ella Young emigrated to Winnipeg Manitoba in 1925. I have details of the extended family of Ella Johnston nee Young who died in Winnipeg on 19/8/1977.
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Great to have the information verified. I had acquired most of the D O B from G R O N I but not purchased any certificates. The marriage of Margaret Young to a David McMullan may have been at Tralee around 1906. Still cant verify this. Margaret had Ella on 1/4/1905 and no father is indicated. David and Margarets first child Ernest was born 20/12/1907. Albert 28/12/1910.David 2/2/1914.
Cecil 18/2/1915.William 14/8/1916. Hilda 15/1/1918. Maria 15/11/1918.Norman 20/1/1923.Eva 17/8/1925. This family lived at Moygashael, Donaghmore and settled in Coalisland.
The names of the Devlin and Brookes children has been helpful. Frederick the son to Annie Young is new information. There is a headstone in St Lukes cemetery Tamlaght dedicated to a Fred Young died 17/11/1980, his wife Isabella died 7/6/1984 and son Stanley died 25/10/2011. More research required to see if this is the same Frederick born in 1915.
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You can check for the McMullan/Young marriage on Irish Genealogy website but the only one anywhere in Ireland I found was 1887 in Castlederg-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10810/5942319.pdf
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Thanks. Margaret was only born in 1886. David was from the Benburb area. They didnt seem to travel very far during married life. Assuming they were married.
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Matilda Young ,married to Samuel Rice died 24 March 1910 at birth of Frederick,
Samuel Rice died in W W 1 and is remembered on Coagh war memorial.
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Thanks for the info on the Death of Matilda. Can you confirm that Frederick died on 19th May 1910?
Have you any information on the first two children born to Matilda.
William Joseph born 17th July 1904 and later married a Elizabeth Freeburn
Samuel born on 4th March 1906.
Did you ever get Samuel snr military record and death confirmed?
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It was Matilda Rice who died in 1910 from childbirth complications-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05431/4518619.pdf
Here's Frederick Rice's birth-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01575/1634942.pdf
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Never got any army records for Samuel.
Samuel married Ruth Jordan 19 March 1924 in Ballinderry CoI.
Robert James married Mary Newberry 21 August 1926 in Derryloran CoI.
Robert James born 20 Feb 1908.
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It was Matilda Rice who died in 1910 from childbirth complications-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05431/4518619.pdf
Here's Frederick Rice's birth-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01575/1634942.pdf
Thanks for access to both certificates. A baby Frederick Rice died on 19 May 1910. Do you know if this was the same child born on 24th March?
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Curley
This new information is helpful in bringing forward descendants. Matilda Rice nee Young was from a large family. One of her sisters Margaret Young 1886-1958 was my grandmother. I see from the death certificate a Margaret Young was a witness. This must have been Matildas mother Margaret Jane Young nee Adams 1862-1922-my great great grandmother.
Did the subsequent marriage of Samuel to Mary Kempton in 1915 bear any family.?
Do you have a date of death for Samuel during WW1?
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No family to Mary Kempton,she emigrated to America to live with son from first marriage.
No confirmed details for Samuel,s death
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Thanks for access to both certificates. A baby Frederick Rice died on 19 May 1910. Do you know if this was the same child born on 24th March?
Certificate (online) will give age, place of death and name of informant (also possibly father's occupation) which should help confirm or rule out the death.
Matilda Young ,married to Samuel Rice died 24 March 1910 at birth of Frederick,
Samuel Rice died in W W 1 and is remembered on Coagh war memorial.
S. Rice, R.I.F. (Coagh memorials)
http://www.cookstownwardead.co.uk/memorial.asp?memorialid=1&sortid=1
http://www.cookstownwardead.co.uk/memorial.asp?memorialid=30&sortid=1
Samuel Rice- be sure to click on 'more' to see newspaper clippings, etc. (was alive Sept.1916)
http://www.cookstownwardead.co.uk/person.asp?casualtyid=372
Samuel Rice's 2nd marriage (1915)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09810/5561809.pdf
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More details on Samuel Rice here- Curley did you ever follow through with that information?
https://boards.ancestry.co.uk/thread.aspx?m=6&p=topics.Military.wwi.trainingcamps&dc=
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Hi Aghadowey
Found the whole comments very confusing,so didn't follow up at that time.
Will do if I can find any more confirmed evidence within the family.
Curley
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Thanks to Curley and Aghadowey. I don't intend to get involved in the military history. The background has been helpful. Main interest is in the descendants of Youngs, Ewings and McMullans alive today.