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General => Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing => Topic started by: ldmk on Wednesday 15 February 17 19:19 GMT (UK)
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I was wondering if anyone had taken a DNA test from Living DNA. It's a new UK-based genetic DNA testing company with a specific focus on breaking down ancestry to 21 regions in Britain and Ireland. They identify your DNA from 80 global regions, but the specific focus is on Britain and Ireland.
https://www.livingdna.com/en-us
I've had a lot of success with my Ancestry DNA test, mostly based on the number of connections available on Ancestry. So I am skeptical about tests that are not closely linked with a large database of results or family trees.
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My results from them are due in April.
Cheers, Ade.
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Myself and a friend ordered a kit on Tuesday.We've both done dna tests before.
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=757170.0
There is a fairly comprehensive review of the results from Living DNA in this thread the entry is by DevonCruwys.
I have also tested with them and must admit the results provide some answers to questions I had but have also provided the basis for far more questions.
Although they plan to roll out further features for analysis of your data, at the moment they are concentrating on the ethnicity angle.
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One thing which would be good to do is to hurry up and accept data from other companies dna tests, there was mention of possibly being able to do in the future. Their chip is a bit more modern so I don't know what difference it would make to peoples results.It would be good to swell the database.
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My results should be available in either late April or May, I'm hoping that it might help give me some clue as to where my two unknown great great grandfathers were from, but either way the results should be fascinating. I think the Northern English regions will make up a large part of the results.
Stephen :)
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My kits just arrived and my friends came yesterday. She's sent hers in and mine will go in today. I ordered the kit online Tuesday. It said 5-7 days so that's good.My brothers and nephew match at approx 5 generations with my friend. We have areas in common but not sure whether there is a particular area to focus on but most of areas are gonna fall in the same area as central England so it may not help. There's a bit of Irish come up as well so let's see what happens. I may get a brother to do one for the male line. I have one brother who won't test. If his work mates told him to do it he sure would but I suspect the reverse has happened! 2 of my brothers tested as well as mom and my sister on ancestry, I 'd like him too but then I'd have a decision to make as who to do the y line! So may have to do living DNA if he changes his mind. I like having them on ancestry and they are on gedmatch.
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Can someone tell me if my sister and I took the Living DNA test would the results be pretty much the same..
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:) Hi,
Yes, assuming you and your sister share both parents, then the tests should be very similar. In order to try to pin down an elusive great grandfather I got Dad's cousins to test which was really useful to compare with him and we are now getting close to knowing who he was. We have very strong suspicions 8)
Liz
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Hi Liz,
Thanks for that info, something for us to bear in mind. Our g.g.grandmother was Irish and we don't have a clue where she came from etc., despite having lots of help.
Mo
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Sorry to jump in here but I disagree with the previous advice given.
If both you and your sister test the results will not necessarily be similar. this is because the 50% of genes you inherit from each parent is at random and the 50% your sister inherited form each of your parents may be very similar to your own but it could also be quite different and so for that reason it may well be worthwhile both of you testing.
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Hi,
davidft is of course completely correct in what he says and I'm sorry if my post was misleading. I wrote it solely in the context of (what I understood to be) the aims of The Living DNA test which are different from FTDNA or 23andme etc. Whereas testing with them was to try and find matches that could confirm (or reject) my paper trails, my reason for testing with Living DNA was because of its more specific ancestral locations.
Debbie Kennett's blogs are excellent - Falkyrn has linked to them earlier in this thread. I would expect two siblings to share the same 'Ancestry Map' surely?
Liz
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Hi, yes I was referring to the Living DNA test alone. My sister took one with Ancestry and I did not.
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Hi
Yes I was referring to the Living DNA test too and why it could be worth you both testing. If you read the blog referred to above you will see how bits of inheritance drop out from generation to generation and siblings do not necessarily inherit the same or simpler inheritance from their parents and so they could have quite different "Ancestry" inheritance maps
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Hi, thanks for that information something for us to think over. I suppose what we would really like to find out is if this test could narrow down a bit where in Ireland our g.g.grandmother Mary came from..........not that we are desperate >:(
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I agree with David. I've just transferred my ancestrydna results to ftdna for more matches now they are accepting autosomal transfer again. Just found a match which links my brothers daughter to another brother's son. I recognise the matches name from the one sister in laws tree.Can't wait for the 2 sister in laws results to come out! Hopefully on the same page of matches!
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Here's a very good explanation of why the ethnicity results of siblings will vary:
http://lisalouisecooke.com/2016/02/dna-ethnicity-percentages-may-vary/
I can attest that my sister and I have quite different ethnicity breakdowns from FTDNA, although taken as a whole we are both largely "Western Europe" as expected.
This may not necessarily apply to Living DNA as they have taken a different approach to the UK and (upcoming) Republic of Ireland databases than other providers.
I am looking forward to getting Living DNA assessments for my two uncles (in lieu of my parents) but will wait for the ability to transfer data as I already have y-DNA and mtDNA results for them and don't need those again.
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yes I won't be getting too many done at livingdna, gonna wait for autosomal transfer but may get 1 brother to test.
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I am puzzled by the lack of Western Europe in my FTDNA
I have 98% European, not a surprise, but the breakdown is
Scandinavia 42
British Isles 41
Southern Europe 9
Eastern Europe
Eastern Middle East 1
Western Europe 0
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Fear not the ethnicity predictions that the DNA companies make at this stage are just educated guesses and can be quite wrong. For example I have no British Isles on my analysis yet my father has 40% or so on his so where did all my British Isles ethnicity go in one generation. When I run our tests through gedmatch.com we get results that are much closer and I even then pick up my British Isles inheritance. So what company you use can determine what results you see.
In short what these ethnicity predictions tell you is what they are programmed to do and what assumptions they make on ridiculously small reference populations. At this stage of the "science" they are nothing more that a curiosity and should be treated as such in my opinion. In the future when lots more people have tested the results may become more meaningful but I think that is a long way off myself.
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Thanks for the reassurance davidft!
I am saving up my pennies to test with Living DNA
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I've tested but waiting on results. It's been 4 months since I initially ordered and they say March it'll be ready.
EDIT - received results overnight.
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I've tested but waiting on results. It's been 4 months since I initially ordered and they say March it'll be ready.
EDIT - received results overnight.
Now you have your results and have had a chance to look at them may I ask
1. Were the results what you were expecting
2. Did they answer any questions re your ancestry
3. Did they throw up new questions re your ancestry
4. Do you consider the information you received worth the fee you paid
5. Would you recommend others took the test, or possibly waited until LivingDNA agree to take transfers from other testing sites
Thank you
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Now you have your results and have had a chance to look at them may I ask
1. Were the results what you were expecting
2. Did they answer any questions re your ancestry
3. Did they throw up new questions re your ancestry
4. Do you consider the information you received worth the fee you paid
5. Would you recommend others took the test, or possibly waited until LivingDNA agree to take transfers from other testing sites
Thank you
In my own case
1. No
2. Some questions answered but many more thrown up
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Its very much an individual thing and also depends very much on what you want from the information. Living DNA as a company are very much in the fledgling period and promise more to come. If you are looking for a detailed report on your UK Ancestry through your DNA then go for it. If on the other hand you are looking for genealogical links then another test by a different company would suit your needs more
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Thanks for your comments. I have been reading around the web about the company and at the moment I don't think this is something I will pursue as much because my previous forays into ethnicity DNA testing have given less than impressive results as to any concerns about this company.
I will wait and see how things develop with this company and maybe reconsider in due course.
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Thanks for your comments. I have been reading around the web about the company and at the moment I don't think this is something I will pursue as much because my previous forays into ethnicity DNA testing have given less than impressive results as to any concerns about this company.
I will wait and see how things develop with this company and maybe reconsider in due course.
I took the test (I already have tested at ftDNA) because it covered autosomal, paternal and maternal, really good value, however you cannot currently export the data.
I suppose, at this stage, I dont have an interest in the ethnicity, so not too bothered what that showed. My research, particularly my direct paternal line / paternal name is what interests me so I dont concentrate much on expanding other branches unless it occurs using my birth name.
But looking briefly at the map, I know the Gambrill (My paternal name and my area of research) name hails from Kent (Woodnesborough, Nonington, Barfreston, Dover etc - Would this be considered South East?), late 1600 onwards to 1900 or so - this is the breeding ground of the name Gambrill in England.
Upon looking at the map, I question the top 3 areas, but it does say, current day map
(https://s6.postimg.org/6ervr9q69/Screenshot_2017_02_28_at_10_01_38_PM.png) (https://postimg.org/image/kxz0sojb1/)
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An interesting comment from the Managing Director of Living DNA:
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?8691-Living-DNA-launched-22-Sept-2016-British-Isles-focus/page102
It seems (from another source) that although Living DNA have identified regions of Scotland in their results, those outcomes are currently based on the results of medical testing and not completely on the People of the British Isles Project.
With 50% Scottish and at least 25% Irish ancestry I think I will hold off LivingDNA until they have those two areas better represented.
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I've tested but waiting on results. It's been 4 months since I initially ordered and they say March it'll be ready.
EDIT - received results overnight.
Now you have your results and have had a chance to look at them may I ask
1. Were the results what you were expecting
2. Did they answer any questions re your ancestry
3. Did they throw up new questions re your ancestry
4. Do you consider the information you received worth the fee you paid
5. Would you recommend others took the test, or possibly waited until LivingDNA agree to take transfers from other testing sites
Thank you
Hi, I have just got mine and my Uncle's results in early and I thought I would add my impressions here.
First off, I will add a reply re myself. I should add I have tested with other companies prior to this:
1) Yes
2) No
3) No
4) Well worth it and very good value for money. Highly recommended.
5) Take the test yourself.
Now I will add my comments from my Uncle's point of view:
1) From an Autosomal point yes as expected. But a big surprise re his Y Haplogroup. Really interesting.
2) Raised a question more than answered one in his case.
3) Yes.
4) Well worth it and very good value for money. Highly recommended.
5) Take the test yourself.
Hope this is helpful?
Cheers, Ade.
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Thank you for replying to the questions I asked.
Since I first posted those I have had a good look around the web and have decided for various reasons that this test is not for me at this time, however I will watch developments with interested and may reconsider in the future.
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For the purposes of showing where my known ancestors are from, here is my map from AncestryDNA along with the map I got from LivingDNA. My percentages from LDNA are as follows -
Global
Europe 97.6%
World (unassigned) 2.4%
Regional
Great Britain and Ireland 93.5%
Europe (unassigned) 4%
Sub-regions
NW England 26.1%
SE England 13.3%
Cumbria 9.7%
South Yorkshire 9%
South England 8.8%
East Anglia 8%
SW Scotland & Northern Ireland 5.5%
South Wales Border 2.1%
Northumbria 1.8%
Aberdeenshire 1.2%
SC England 1.2%
Orkney 1.2%
GB&I (unassigned) 5.7%
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Your results match up pretty well.
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I've just ordered a test from Living DNA. Previously tested with Ancestry and FTDNA. The regional breakdown from LDNA offers far more promise than Ancestry whose whole package has been a little disappointing considering the number of people they have tested. FTDNA have better tools with which to compare matches with the exception of their poor tree display and their paternal & maternal testing has been very good. I'm looking forward to the results from Living DNA which, btw, is far cheaper than FTDNA given that they include both y-dna(for male testers) and mtdna in their package and they will update and refine the results in future at no extra cost.
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I was interested to read macphail's post as I'd not appreciated that LivingDNA included a mitochondrial test as part of the package. The complete works from FTDNA is hideously expensive so how can a competitor do it for so little?
I've tried to find out from both companies' websites but they are vague. If you pay more do you get more markers/chromosomes/whatever tested? Does anybody know?
I and both of my parents have done an FTDNA autosomal test. My father has also done Y37. Would I be better spending two lots of $199 on getting an FTDNA mitochondrial test done for both parents, or would two lots of £120 (which at current exchange rates is quite a bit less) at LDNA theoretically provide the same info?
My interest is a traditional family history one, rather than "are we neanderthal" for instance, and pretty much all lines (other than the common surnames) are now back to the early 1700s.
Jane :-)
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I'd not appreciated that LivingDNA included a mitochondrial test as part of the package. The complete works from FTDNA is hideously expensive so how can a competitor do it for so little?
You are getting a basic haplogroup with the mitochondrial test, as explained here
https://dna-explained.com/2017/05/04/livingdna-product-review/
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Thanks Hurworth. Not for me at the moment then.
Jane :-)
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My results just in. Ordered 6th May & were expected 12 Aug so I'm pleased the results are in early but I know others haven't been so quick.
Brief outline & according to my paper trail, I am abt 55% Irish - mostly paternal, some maternal, and the rest mostly Lancashire, Derbyshire, & Salop. My Dad's line from Norfolk with several fingers crossed and Mum's family stories included potential links to Scandanavia and Scotland. Altogether, 29 of my 32 3rd GGP known, beyond that, large numbers of unknowns appear.
Living DNA regional breakdown
Northwest England 29%
Southwest Scotland and Northern Ireland 18.3%
Central England 16.3%
Ireland 8.2%
South Wales Border 4.9% (includes Salop)
East Anglia 4.8%
Cornwall 4.3%
North Wales 2.9%
Northwest Scotland 2.8%
Southeast England 1.8%
Aberdeenshire 1.7% (potential confirmation with an FTDNA match)
South Central England 1.3%
Europe (North and West) 3.6%
Scandinavia 3.6%
MtDNA haplogroup H51a (which is the same as my sisters full sequence result with FTDNA)
y-dna haplogroup R-U106 subclade R-S1734 which is only 3 markers upstream from my current place on the haplotree after extensive & expensive testing with FTDNA, This result alone would swing my vote to LDNA.
Other tests for quick comparison
First autosomal test with Ancestry - Irish (which includes Ireland, Wales & Scotland) 57% , Scandinavia 24% Western Europe 10%
Mum's autosomal with Ancestry - Great Britain 39% (which includes England, Scotland & Wales) Ireland 22% Scandinavia 21% Europe East 9%
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I and both of my parents have done an FTDNA autosomal test. My father has also done Y37. Would I be better spending two lots of $199 on getting an FTDNA mitochondrial test done for both parents, or would two lots of £120 (which at current exchange rates is quite a bit less) at LDNA theoretically provide the same info?
y-dna testing is only available for male testers as females don't inherit the y-chromosome, just in case you were tempted by LDNA, you or your Mother won't get that result from them. Your Dad can upgrade his STR marker test to Y111. I did both Y111 for STR markers and Big Y for SNP markers and a place on the haplotree. I have 23 unidentified SNP's that FTDNA don't have so I will need to go to YSearch or Full Genomes Corp to find out what they are.
It's a tricky balancing act between level of interest/deep testing versus basic curiosity, and cost
Pete :)
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Can someone advise how much these living DNA tests are please?
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Cost depends on your location.
This site maintains up-to-date costs based on location for the major test providers:
http://www.genie1.com.au/blog/58-which-dna-testing-company
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We are in the West Midlands
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Reason I am enquiringly is my mom is looking to see if she is related to Ger "sister" - my mom was adopted see & her 'sister' us 20 yrs older than my mom.
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LivingDNA doesn't currently offer matching to other people although this is planned in the future.
For this purpose you should test with Ancestry or take the Family Finder test at FamilyTreeDNA.
AncestryDNA is on sale in the UK until midnight 3 August and FTDNA have a sale on Family Finder for the whole of August.
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probably test with ancestry first as they don't accept uploads from other sites.Then download the raw data and do a free transfer to frdna and also gedcom. You can also do a free transfer to my heritage and I think geni.
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It is now possible to Download LivingDNA Raw Data to a part of Gedmatch called "Genesis Gedmatch"
it also take MyHeritage data and is not connected to the main Gedmatch section but will be eventually,so matching is limited.
Mt question is has anyone downloaded their data yet ?
I tried and the download appears to have saved as a document-can this be right ? ???
Kim
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In line with the downloads from other providers it should probably be a text (.txt) file which would look a document.
I would expect that for uploading it should be in compressed (.zip or similar format).
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I have just received my results which were due on 6th October. The results are generally in line with my research which shows mainly Ireland and Scotland, with Yorkshire, Lancashire, Cornwall and Norfolk as smaller percentages. However, they missed out Yorkshire and Norfolk altogether. The Irish percentage was only 2.4% which i thought was on the low side. The surprise was Kurdish 1.2%. No idea where that comes from.
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If anyone managed to up-load their LivingDNA Raw Data to Gedmatch (using the Genesis format) successfully I would be interested in knowing,I have tried several times but it never fully finishes-"in progress" forever!!
Kim
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I had no problem with mine but I did use my pc not my ipad. It seemed to take a long time to upload to Gedmatch so I left it and went back later and it had finished. Suggest you try again as there is a message on the site which says they are having problems with the server.
Good luck!
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Thanks for reply
Am I correct in thinking it is just the autDNA that is ticked for transfer ?
I will give it another try !.. :)
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Yes, I transferred the autdna. Once completed it only took a couple of hours before I could look at my matches.
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Thank you :)
Kim
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Better to check
https://fullythrifty.com/at/livingdna.com (https://fullythrifty.com/at/livingdna.com)
to save big at Living DNA!
otherwise I also tried DNA Spectrum
https://fullythrifty.com/at/dnaspectrum.com (https://fullythrifty.com/at/dnaspectrum.com)
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Better to check
https://fullythrifty.com/at/livingdna.com (https://fullythrifty.com/at/livingdna.com)
to save big at Living DNA!
otherwise I also tried DNA Spectrum
https://fullythrifty.com/at/dnaspectrum.com (https://fullythrifty.com/at/dnaspectrum.com)
;D ;D ;D ;D
Did you notice the expiry time on that Living DNA offer
"Expires in 48 years, 5 months, 3 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours "
so no rush then
(Oh and that offer is still a lot more than I paid in April)
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I didn't notice that :o but got $80 OFF last order.. what about you?
Better to check
https://fullythrifty.com/at/livingdna.com (https://fullythrifty.com/at/livingdna.com)
to save big at Living DNA!
otherwise I also tried DNA Spectrum
https://fullythrifty.com/at/dnaspectrum.com (https://fullythrifty.com/at/dnaspectrum.com)
;D ;D ;D ;D
Did you notice the expiry time on that Living DNA offer
"Expires in 48 years, 5 months, 3 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours "
so no rush then
(Oh and that offer is still a lot more than I paid in April)
I didn't notice that :o but got $80 OFF last order.. what about you?
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Those are Full Thrifty URLs are affiliate links. Are they allowed on this Forum. Should the affiliate relationship not be declared by the poster?
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I am not affiliated with Fully Thrifty or other coupon website.
There are many coupon sites offering voucher codes for Living DNA such as
https://www.vouchercodes.co.uk/livingdna.com (https://www.vouchercodes.co.uk/livingdna.com)
https://www.voucheroffers.co.uk/living-dna-voucher-code/livingdna.com (https://www.voucheroffers.co.uk/living-dna-voucher-code/livingdna.com)
https://www.dealcatcher.com/living-dna-coupons (https://www.dealcatcher.com/living-dna-coupons)
https://fullythrifty.com/at/livingdna.com (https://fullythrifty.com/at/livingdna.com)
I don't know if its allowed or not to post links here, if no then simply delete my posts. That's ok, i just want to share ;)
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I wouldn't be surprised if one of the mods or RC's owners removed any links to the commission sites, they often have done in the past.
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If you click on the Thrifty website these words are included in the URL:
source=affiliates&utm_medium=171741&utm_campaign=AffiliateWindow
The website is clearly making a commission from kits ordered through this site.
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If you click on the Thrifty website these words are included in the URL:
source=affiliates&utm_medium=171741&utm_campaign=AffiliateWindow
The website is clearly making a commission from kits ordered through this site.
thank you Devon, but I think most of those coupon sites are making money from it, not only Frully Thrifty,
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I have just received my results which were due on 6th October. The results are generally in line with my research which shows mainly Ireland and Scotland, with Yorkshire, Lancashire, Cornwall and Norfolk as smaller percentages. However, they missed out Yorkshire and Norfolk altogether. The Irish percentage was only 2.4% which i thought was on the low side.
Sandgrounder, this is apparently the reason for the low Irish percentage:
Taken the LivingDNA site
"If you have Irish ancestry but it is not inferred as strongly as expected: Unfortunately, due to the current limited number of Irish samples, we currently see many Irish people as a mixture of Ireland, Northern Ireland and South West Scotland, and North West Scotland"