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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 15 February 17 20:58 GMT (UK)
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JEAN /JANE BURNS DUNCAN 1848 – 1941
The middle name of Burns has been passed down through this family for generations, but where did it come from .
Jean / Jane Burns Duncan is the daughter of William Duncan and Catherine Philips.
Catherine Philips baptism has not been found and there are no entries with her mother’s name, we only know her father was Robert Philips a wright.
On 13 May 1844 William and Catherine married at St Cuthberts, Edinburgh. William Duncan and Catherine Philips Daughter of the late Robert Philips , wright in Dalkeith
We know that Robert Philips has died, these are the only two found in Midlothian from after Catherine was born, either could be her father.
There are no more details and both are before the 1841 census was taken so that is no help.
They could even be father and son
Robert Philip Burial 17 May 1840 aged 41 bc 1799 South Leith, Midlothian.
Robert Philip Burial 31 Jan 1841 aged 67 b c 1774 South Leith, Midlothian.
The only match with a Philips and a Burns is much earlier and really is clutching at straws.
Lawrence Philips. Marriage Date:14 Mar 1762 Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Spouse: Agnes Burns
Baptism 29 Oct 1762 Agnes Philips. Glasgow,Lanark,
Father: Lawrence Philips Mother: Agnes Burns
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There seems to be no connection to Burns from the Duncan side
On 26 March 1803 John Duncan married Elizabeth Smith at Huntly, Aberdeen.
John Duncan died Drumblade in 1855
From his death certificate John`s parents are named as James Duncan and Elpseth Duncan deceased maiden name Smith.
Their children are named as -
Arthur 52 b 1803
Elspeth 44 b 1811
Ann 44 b 1811
John died aged 4 in 1818
William 38 b 1817
WILLIAM DUNCAN 1817 – 1884
His parents are named as John Duncan and Elpseth Duncan deceased maiden name Smith.
He was married to Elizabeth Duncan maiden name Smith, farmer’s daughter.
Elizabeth`s parents were William Smith and Margaret Fraser (death cert )
We`ve been through this before and come to a dead end.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=763957.0
I`m now wondering if there is any connection with the Denholm,/ Hook families to Burns.
1851 Northside, Loanhead Village.
Charlotte Denholm head 67 Loanhead, Midlothian
Charlotte Denholm dau 23 paper mill Loanhead, Midlothian
Margaret Denholm 20 paper mill Loanhead, Midlothian
***William Duncan son in law 30 gardener b Omintt ?, Aberdeen
Catherine Duncan dau 34 Dalkeith, Midlothian
***Jane Burns Duncan gr daughter 5 Corstorphine, Midlothian
Margaret Duncan 3 Corstorphine, Midlothian
William Duncan 1 Mo Loanhead, Midlothian
The first two children of William and Catherine have mother’s maiden name as Philips.
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Do you have Catherine Duncan (Philips) on any census' to give her age/birth yr & place of birth?
Annie
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You will get Robert Burns family tree online!
Skoosh.
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Annie, Catherine Philips gave Dalkeith as her birth place in censuses between 1851 - 78. She died 1878.
Birth year 1820 +/- 3yrs. Age at death was given as 56 by her husband William Duncan...but he had blanked out on her parents' names for the death reporting :-\
Monica :)
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Annie,
It`s all here,
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=763957.0
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You will get Robert Burns family tree online!
Skoosh.
Many thanks, I have found a Smith / Burns connection. You are vey welcome to work it out -- who knows. ;)
https://www.geni.com/people/Robert-Burns/6000000004539248427
Robert Burns was born on 25 January 1759 in Alloway, Ayr, Ayrshire, Scotland. He was the son of William Burness and Agnes Brown. He married Jean Armour, daughter of James Armour and Mary Smith, in 1788 in Mauchline, Ayrshire, Scotland. He died on 21 July 1796 in Dumfries, Dumfriesshire, Scotland, at age 37. He was buried on 25 July 1796 in St Michael's Kirkyard, Dumfries, Dumfriesshire, Scotland.