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Title: Marriage look up
Post by: Tom Langley on Thursday 16 February 17 22:34 GMT (UK)

Hi could someone please see if there is record of the marriage or Richard Jones and Helena Owen in 1849 Llanfyllin. Ive found it on one register, but not found a record that gives full details i.e. Fathers names etc

Can any one help out?

Tom

Title: Re: Marriage look up
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 16 February 17 22:51 GMT (UK)

Hi Tom

The North Wales BMD have it as a Civil marriage - not C of E, so you might have to purchase the marriage cert.

Gadget

Title: Re: Marriage look up
Post by: Tom Langley on Thursday 16 February 17 23:01 GMT (UK)

Ah that's annoying. Thanks for the help!

Title: Re: Marriage look up
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 16 February 17 23:20 GMT (UK)

Hi for the record in 1851 census Richard was 30 Helena 39 with son Thomas Price Owen 9 months, GRO Index shows mmn Owen
Census ref HO107/2499/292/2
Keyboard86

Title: Re: Marriage look up
Post by: keyboard86 on Thursday 16 February 17 23:32 GMT (UK)

Hi again, looks to be the HELINA Owen 27 with a John 55 and Elizabeth 60 plus others Residing Treyfany, Melford, Llanfyllin in 1841
Census ref HO107/1435/ 8/17 / 1
Keyboard86

Title: Re: Marriage look up
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 17 February 17 19:12 GMT (UK)

Hi I see possibly your problem without sight of the marriage certificate , in 1861 Richard still 30 ( On FindMyPast) Helena 46
1871 Richard 54 ELLEN 58
1881 Richard 63 Helena 68
In 1861 with family is a widowed John Owan/Owen 76 shown as Father in Law occ Vintner
Helena appears to have been born Llanrhaedr, Denbighshire
New child in 1861/71 shown as John Richardson Jones b c 1854 Melford

Possible death Helena March qtr 1882 Llanfyllin 11b 160 aged 71
Keyboard86

Title: Re: Marriage look up
Post by: Tom Langley on Friday 17 February 17 19:29 GMT (UK)

I think he may be my distant uncle Richard Jones who was baptised in 1818 Llanbrymair. His sister ended up in the Llanfyllin area which is what made me think this Richard may be mine.
I guess my only option is to get the marriage cert to see if Richard is the son of Richard.

Thanks for the help,

Tom

Title: Re: Marriage look up
Post by: Gadget on Friday 17 February 17 19:50 GMT (UK)

Hi Tom

I looked through the llanbrynmair BTs this morning and I'm sure I saw a Richard bpt 1820. I'll check again when I get a moment.

Also, there is a baptism for a Richard in July 1818, son of Maurice and Mary.

Gadget

Title: Re: Marriage look up
Post by: Tom Langley on Friday 17 February 17 20:14 GMT (UK)

Ahh thank you! The 1818 Richard was baptised 13/11/1818 Llanbrynmair to Richard and Ann

Tom

Title: Re: Marriage look up
Post by: Gadget on Friday 17 February 17 20:35 GMT (UK)

Not found it yet but in my various bits and pieces on Montgomeryshire, I've found a reference to a Richard b.c. 1768, Llanbrynmair - the son of the John one, previously discussed in other thread.

John Jones (bc 1735-1745,  son of Richard Jones and Margaret of Pennant) and Anne (Bebb). Their children named as Anne, Morris, Richard (1768), Margaret, John, Elizabeth & William.  They are all
named in the will of a Margaret Jones (John Jones's mother and thus Richard's grandmother) Gwernyfrydd, Llanbrynmair, dated 20 Oct 1785 (probate 1793)

Title: Re: Marriage look up
Post by: Tom Langley on Friday 17 February 17 20:45 GMT (UK)

Its annoying the IGI and FindMyPast as so spotty when it come to some Welsh records. Im lucky there are people like you around!