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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: saw119 on Saturday 18 February 17 10:10 GMT (UK)
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How is it that WO86 comes up in a search on Ancestry but I cannot access the actual image? It tells me the image is on Fold3. Why is a British War Off ice record only available on Fold3. I'm a little bit cross. >:(
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Me too.
I actually phoned Ancestry to query this and the garbled explanation I was given was that Fold3 was part of Ancestry but separate - work that one out :'(
They said I would have to "join" Fold3 and obviously pay to view the records.
Just another moneymaking venture for Ancestry at our expense.
Furious >:( >:(
Dorrie
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Join the club! We're all cross about this one!
Have been wondering if Fold 3 will ever have a freebie weekend, maybe around Remembrance Day - because there's no way I will ever give Ancestry a penny to join Fold3
Some of the records are also on FindMyPast, which helps.
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I wonder what would happen if you right then. I will need to cancel my ancestry membership, and as soon as you give me my refundfor I can then join fold3 because I can't afford both.
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Just had a bit of a look at 3Fold.
They say they have "free" records. OK so I put in my email and a password. Looked for a soldier who was a Chelsea Pensioner (my husband's late uncle) nothing doing. Nothing either (without paying) for other names in my family tree.
Went through to see what records are actually free and could only find American ones. Not much good to most of us who want British records. Sorry, no offence to our American Rootschatters.
Also, they seem to have a 7 day free trial but its in $ American.
Gave up.
Nanna52 - I am tempted to take up your suggestion.
Dorrie
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Haven't used it but Fold3 every so often have 40-50% discount offers on annual subs, works out about £35-40. More money but less expensive than upgrading to all access, but you do pay in dollars as is primarily a US site. I have never seen them offer free weekends so I wouldn't get your hopes up with that. I would imagine that the National Archives documents on there have been done with the full agreement of Kew so may be better to direct annoyance at them, although doubt anything will change. Ancestry say Fold3 is specialist site as not everyone wants specialist military documents on Ancestry itself and I suspect they would raise the subs to do this even though so far not many are for UK.
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There was a freebie for Fold3 last Remembrance weekend (it's Veteran's Day in the US). The links from Ancestry then took me straight to the Fold3 stuff rather than going through any registration.
The stuff I found on there seemed to be the same as I had included in my FindMyPast sub, and I thought the FindMyPast images were better quality.
Your mileage may vary.
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A few years back I did get some military records on Ancestry but now it is on Fold 3 another way of making money :(
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Fold 3 is available at no charge at all Family History/Familysearch centres
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Fold 3 is available at no charge at all Family History/Familysearch centres
That's handy to know :)
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A large part of the problem for me is Ancestry letting you search them, get results for them you're interested in but then denying access unless you sign up to fold3. What kind of deal has the NA done with our historical heritage?
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Some of the Fold3 records are available free at the National Archives website, and others can be downloaded after paying a small fee. My wife's 2nd great grandfather's Chelsea military pension record came up as a hint on Ancestry, which directed me to Fold3. I found it for free at the National Archives.
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If they seriously believe that I'm going to pay a penny more they are deluded.
After being a member for more than 10 years without so much as a tiny loyalty bonus, I am finding it increasingly difficult to pay the annual subs as it is.
I live abroad, so no chance of using a library version.
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I live abroad, so no chance of using a library version.
Your profile doesn't say where you are, but I've used Ancestry's library edition in various parts of Australia. It includes the UK records which are pretty much the only ones I need.
Carol
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Unfortunately I live in the Balearic islands. The library facilities are limited to say the least.
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I have recently returned to Ancestry UK after taking a 2-month break from researching WW1 soldiers on our local church's memorial plaque. I am absolutely certain that military service record images were formerly included in my annual UK records membership fee but since returning, these appear now to be charged for via Fold3. Is this correct? I find it very unfair that this change was not highlighted at the time of signing up and I feel I have rejoined this website to continue my research only to find the very reason for rejoining has disappeared!! I feel very disappointed.
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I can't be certain, but think fold3 contents are US records.
You can still access these records via your subscription.
British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 Free
England, The National Roll of the Great War, 1914-1918
UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
UK, Casualties of the Boer War, 1899-1902
UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945
UK, British Prisoners of War, 1939-1945
UK, Waterloo Medal Roll, 1815
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The military records that were on Ancestry are still there, nothing has been removed, but they have also been added to Fold3. The records that you can see ONLY on Fold3 are the most recent additions, and that's where any new military records will be added. The big collections involved are the Chelsea and Kilmainham records, which are also on Findmypast. There are also quite a lot of military records and resources on FindMyPast that Ancestry don't have.
There is free access to the Fold3 records at TNA, at FamilySearch Centres and through Ancestry Library Edition. Although the Ancestry site suggests you need an All Access sub to see the Fold3 records, as Smudwhisk points out, it is MUCH cheaper to get a a separate subscription to Fold3. The fact that is priced in US$ doesn't matter, you can still subscribe from the UK if you want to.
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Thank you libby9 and Mean_genie for your responses. I should have been more vigilant when subscribing again to Ancestry about five days ago after a short break of a few months within a 4-5 year membership period - I made the mistake of assuming the newer records were available as in the past but they have been moved. This is one way of increasing their profits. I appreciate your listing of what is still available. I feel though that I have wasted my money and will definitely vote with my feet and not renew my membership in a year. I find with FindMyPast's aggressive growth campaign they are hard to beat but I wish there were fewer transcriptions and more images. Anyway, I understand the new set up now. I must grin and bear it!
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You can still access these records via your subscription.
British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 Free
England, The National Roll of the Great War, 1914-1918
UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
UK, Casualties of the Boer War, 1899-1902
UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945
UK, British Prisoners of War, 1939-1945
UK, Waterloo Medal Roll, 1815
I've just tried British Army WWI Service Records 1914-1918 and they are in Fold3 too. I really can't be bothered trying the others. I have the records of two g.uncles (unfortunately, the one I'd really like seems to have been amongst the ones destroyed during WWII), the National Roll of the Great War is on TNA, as I guess are the other records. Many of them are also on FindMyPast without having to pay over and above a subscription. Ancestry can take a running jump if they think I'm giving them more money. They'll be putting parish records into a pay for view folder next, using their excuse, Yorkshire records aren't of interest to other Ancestry users, Lancashire records aren't of interest to Yorkshire folk, etc. etc.
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I've just tried British Army WWI Service Records 1914-1918 and they are in Fold3 too.
I've just tried a WW1 Service Record I'd previously downloaded on Ancestry and its still viewable. I wonder if they have added some new records which are only on Fold3 as they are definitely not all on there.
Edit - Just tried another and its still viewable on Ancestry.
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Hi, I just thought that I would draw your attention to this if you've not seen it ;)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=779299.msg6333909
Frank :)
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I've just tried British Army WWI Service Records 1914-1918 and they are in Fold3 too.
I've just tried a WW1 Service Record I'd previously downloaded on Ancestry and its still viewable. I wonder if they have added some new records which are only on Fold3 as they are definitely not all on there.
Edit - Just tried another and its still viewable on Ancestry.
All the original records are available whether previously downloaded or not, it is records added later on Fold3. As has previously been mentioned, most are available in Findmypast.
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All the original records are available whether previously downloaded or not, it is records added later on Fold3. As has previously been mentioned, most are available in Findmypast.
Which was my point, as I could access some I knew were previously available on Ancestry. LizzieW I thought was suggesting they had all been removed and were only now available on Fold3. I may have got the wrong end of the stick on that one figuratively.
Those on FindMyPast are generally better quality scans anyway, I think they've been done from the originals and not the microfilm as with Ancestry.
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My grandfather's records were definitely on Ancestry, as were his brother's records, but now my grandfather's is only available on Fold3 and I can't find his brother's at all. Perhaps that means his is also being transferred to Fold3. As a kind Rootschatter got my grandfather and his brother's records for me from TNA some years ago (I didn't ask but because of a discussion on here, she decided whilst at TNA she'd look for my ancestors' records). It was only later that they became available on Ancestry as part of the sub, but I'd already paid for them by then. I know I checked them to see if I could find more info on my grandfather who left the army prior to WWI on medical grounds, but then made a miraculous recovery not long afterwards ::) Swinging the lead comes to mind.
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Free access to Fold 3 this week-end for those who don't already know ;)
Carol
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Thank you Carol. It is very thoughtful of you to alert all of us.
Greenland
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TIP
Whenever you have an Ancestry document on screen that you want to save to your tree then do a screen capture and save the image to your PC or Mac before you save it to your online tree
Window key + Print Screen on a PC
Cmd + Shift + 3 on a Mac
Saving it to your Computer gives you control over the document and not Ancestry/Find My Past etc.
I have images all my census, BMD, Church records, wills, probate etc from my Family Tree on my PC as is a current GEDCOM file.