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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Mercel on Sunday 19 February 17 19:06 GMT (UK)
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Hi I have hit a brick wall with a ggg grandfather. His name is William Michael Connelly. I have very limited information on him. From a census in 1911 I found he was born in Partick in circa 1861. He had Irish parentage. He moved to Sunderland around 1881. He married Margaret Turley in Sunderland in 1896. He died in 1912 father of 7. I am trying to find his parents, where do I start when I have no details of them. I have found a family living in Govan at this time with a slight change in the spelling of the surname Connolly. Father Peter and Margaret, mother with two daughters. But nothing to confirm this.
Thank you
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Hi Mercel,
Have you found William Michael on earlier Censuses? You say he was in Sunderland from approx. 1881. There is a Scottish William Connely (spelling as transcribed) at Bishop Wearmouth , Durham a 21 year old Iron ship riveter, he is lodging with a family called Frank . Could this be your GGG-grandfather?
Do you have marriage and death certificate. I'm not terribly familiar with English certs , but wondered if they should have father's name recorded :-\
Looby
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Hi Mercel and Looby
Looby, unfortunately, English death certs do not include parents' names of the deceased like Scottish death certs do.
Mercel, we are guessing that William Connelly died in England in 1912? Is that correct? The best way for you to start confirming details for him would be his marriage cert in Sunderland. This would at least give you his father's name to work with.
What about his children's names? Do you have all seven names? Often you can get clues on grandparents' names with the use of Scottish/Irish naming patterns (not always used, but often there to give clues).
Added: Just checking on the GRO indexes shows the following births all in Sunderland, with mother down as Turley:
Michael 1896
John William 1899
Margaret Ann 1901
Thomas Edward 1903
Gregory 1904
Edward 1906
Gertrude May 1908
Edward 1910
Monica :)
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1901 census shows him as aged 50, ie born c. 1851 (10 years earlier than 1911 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWCS-BH3)
Michael Connley 50 ship riveter
Margaret Jane Connley 30
Michael Connley 5
Mary E Connley 4
John W Connley 2
Margaret A Connley 1/12
Monica
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Thank you both. I have three census, 1881 living as you say as a boarder with Frank family aged 21, the 1901 census age seems odd as the 1911 census shows him as 48 and Margaret 32. It is the same person although spellings of surname slightly out. I have all the children's names. I will take your advice and order the marriage cert to see if that could help.
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I think I have found him in the 1891 census at the age of 30 still living in the same area, spelling again is different.
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I would search for him as C*n*l*y, where you have the option of wildcards to pick up on spelling variations and mistranscriptions.
Hope the marriage registration reveals more :)
Monica
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Thanks Monica for all your help x
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Hi Folks,
Closest I could find in age with differences showing on later census';
CONNELL WILLIAM M
1871
17
644/6 31/ 21
Blythswood
Lanark
Didn't help though as I did a search for the rest of the household using reference no. & he seems to be on his own, possibly lodging with someone?
CONNELL WILLIAM M
1861
7
589/ 4/ 15
Dreghorn
Ayr
This household with same ref. no.
CONNELL JOHN 46
CONNELL JEANIE 44
CONNELL JANE MCC H 11
CONNELL ROBERT A 12
CONNELL WILLIAM M 7
CONNELL MARY R M 9
Original of this would give place of birth although possibly only County which may help?
Wouldn't be the 1st time someone has had their place of birth wrong though ::)
Annie
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Just wondering how you know he is William Michael as he seems to have dropped the 'William' in all the English census' ???
Annie
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Thank you all for your continued help. Well marriage cert arrived. Father is shown as Gregory Connelly. Unfortunately I have searched high and low for Gregory in Scotland's census but haven't found anything yet. So I feel like I am back to square one. I have tried variations of possibly using William Gregory or Michael Gregory, still nothing. :-[ very frustrating. Any suggestions would be really appreciated x
Gregory was also a name of one if his sons but not his eldest. Eldest son was Michael born 1896.
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Roisinish, I have been told by my mother in law that he married Margaret Turley, I have marriage cert now which confirms that. I find it strange he dropped William too but there are anomalies on the census re spellings of surname and also his age. In 1901 he is shown as being 50 yet he died in 1912 at age of 48??
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Hi Mercel,
There is a death in Hillhead in Glasgow in 1912 of a Gregory Connelly aged 62
- there is a male of this name and age on the 1911 Census at Possilpark
he is listed aged 50 at Blythswood on 1901 Census
he is listed aged 42 at Blythswood on 1891 and aged 34 at Blythswood on 1881
There is a Gregory Connolly age 26 on 1871 Census recorded in High Church parish.
Have you eliminated these entries?
Ages are varying slightly but then that is not unusual. Areas are fairly consistent. There is a child Gregory aged 6 on the 1891 Census at Blythswood ( could be a son )
Looby :)
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Hiya, I think this is the Gregory I found last night, his marriage to Bridget Mealy in 1871. Going on this marriage it would be later than the birth of my William Michael. Not that thus means a lot as Gregory could have remarried. But looked at census for 1871 when William would have been around 8/9 yrs and he doesn't appear
I did find a death for a Gregory in South Shields around a similar time, wondered if he could have moved to the north east.
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Hi again Mercel,
It's strange that we can't find William Michael's birth in Scotland or locate him on 1871 Census (if he is Scottish).
I wonder if he was actually born a Connelly/ Connolly :-\
There is a chance he was born illegitimate and his father's name was Connelly. He may have been registered in his Mother's surname but at a later date "took" his natural father's surname. Equally Connelly could be a step-father's name :-\
The hunt goes on ;D
Looby
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Mercel, what occupation was showing for father Gregory on the marriage cert? Did he show as alive or deceased (not always given)?
Retracing Looby's census steps, there are two Gregory Connellys in the censuses.
In 1861
In 1871, there are two entries:
Gregory Connolly 50 Lab In Ship Building Yard, lodger b. Ireland. Can't tell from the entry what his marital status is. There are no other Connollys in the household in Dumbarton.
Second entry:
Gregory Connolly 26 Labourer Is Bottler Store b. Ireland
Margret Connolly 24 b. Ireland
Address: 29 New Vennel Lep Baland (spelling) High Church/Glasgow College
In 1881:
Gregory Connelly 34 labourer b. Ireland
Bridget Connelly 32 b. Ireland
Michael Connelly 8... age is wrong....but ???
Mary Connelly 7
Anthony Connelly 2
Address: 31 New Wynd, Glasgow/Blythswood
Monica
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Sadly, discounting this family as their son Michael is still showing as born in 1873 and more importantly, living at home in 1901:
Gregory Connelly 50 gen lab. b. Ireland
Bridget Connelly 48
Michael Connelly 28 Car Conductor
Gregory Connelly 16
Ann Connelly 13
Address: 163 Cowcaddens St, Glasgow/Blythswood
Monica
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Hi Mercel,
Just trying to clarify - was he definitely William Michael ? I know we have a William Connelly on the 1881 a 21 year old ship riveter. Did he use William at any other time?
I have also been looking at the Michael Conley with parents Peter and Margaret that I think you refer to in an earlier post. He is in Partick on 1871 and 1881 Census. I've not been able to find him on 1891 (so far). Of course this does not agree with father's name of Gregory on William Michael's marriage cert - however that info could be wrong. And the name Peter is not used for William Michael's sons :-\
Just trying to look at all options ;)
Looby
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Thank you everyone I really appreciate all the help you are giving me. All I have for definite is William Michael on marriage cert to Margaret Turkey in 1896, the same year our grandad was born, he was Michael too. William has not been used on any of his sons names, only sort of other link is a son called Gregory, not a very common name. Williams father was shown as Gregory on the marriage cert, no other details unfortunately. It's a mystery if ever there was one.
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Another interesting Michael Connely - born in Dunbartonshire circa 1865 with his mother Catherine Incholson (think that could be a mistranscription of Nicholson) at Durham on 1871 Census.
Interesting because Monica mentioned the Gregory Connolly in Dumbarton on 1871 Census on his own.
Another possibility to look at (sorry :P ) - might not be your man but I thought it worth pointing him out to you.
Looby
Sorry - added - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBZK-H4K forgot the link !!
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Hi Mercel,
What was William Michael's age on marriage?
So many differences, trying to get an average year of birth & work outside from there ::)
Annie
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Oooh that does sound interesting and plausible, thank you I will have a look at that x
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Hi Mercel,
What was William Michael's age on marriage?
So many differences, trying to get an average year of birth & work outside from there ::)
Annie
Been meaning to ask that too! Trying to sort out the ages is a good idea.
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Roisinish he was 32 on his marriage cert
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Could this be a sibling to William Michael?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NN53-5R2
Monica
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I have just had a look at the Durham connection. It's Hartlepool which isn't that far away from Sunderland. There was one of the census said he was born in Partick. Is that anywhere near Dumbarton?
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Wow thanks Monical that could be a link he was married in St Joseph's RC church, Millfield
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What was Margaret Turley's father's name?
Do you also have her g/parents names which may be included as their children's names to eliminate them as his line?
Doesn't always work with common names but does with more unusual names.
Annie
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Getting confused with similar names :-\
There is this 1871 census entry in Sunderland:
Gregory Conolly 37 labourer b. Ireland
Bridget Conolly 35 b. Ireland
Mitchel Conolly 12 Sunderland - written on original as Mitchel
John Conolly 10 - maybe the John who married at the same church?
Anthony Conolly 6
Peder Conolly 3
Micheal Burk 3 lodger
Patrick Darvin 24 lodger
Maybe a later death https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NPX8-W6N
Need more details don't we on this family.
Monica
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There was one of the census said he was born in Partick. Is that anywhere near Dumbarton?
Not too far between, approx. 13 - 18 miles but that would depend on which areas in both (starting points)
Annie
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SP Index (no middle name) although I have come across people with no middle name on record of baptism/birth but seemed to acquire a middle name later.
I have often wondered whether it was their confirmation name (Catholic)
CONNELL WILLIAM
1860
646/2 187
Partick
CONNELL WILLIAM
1861
646/2 25
Partick
CONNELL WILLIAM
1861
646/2 116
Partick
Annie
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This sounds exciting. I found Gregory and a Briget Mealy marriage in Scotland last night married in January 1871 obviously William Michael would have been prior to this as showing 12 on 1871 census. Perhaps Gregory married again. Margaret's father was Edward. I don't have her grandparents details as not researched them yet.
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From that family in Sunderland we had in 1871 above, I think this might be son Anthony's marriage in 1888 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DDC-N3K
1891 census entry https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NPX8-W6N
1901 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSCM-25X
This family group fits well including location and Anthony above also being a riveter like William John. But, no obvious connection to Scotland so far for them :-\
Any witness names for the marriage of William Michael?
Monica
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Gregory and a Briget Mealy marriage in Scotland last night married in January 1871
What was shown as his status?
Annie
Added Is this not the family Monica has discounted? See Reply #16
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There looks to be two families headed up by a Gregory and Bridget. We have two entries for different families in 1871, one in Sunderland and one in Glasgow, Blythswood area.
Monica
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Monica,
I have added to Reply #33 (in case you missed it)?
Annie
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Hi Annie
Yes, I had missed that. Thank you :)
Yep, that is the family in Glasgow with the younger Michael who shows with family up to 1901.
Monica
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From some of the English births for the family in Sunderland, the mother Bridget is showing as having the maiden name Connelly (and variants like Donley).
I wonder if this is their marriage back in Glasgow?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTBS-FVS
Possible birth for son John in Govan (wonder if this was in the Partick area) in 1860 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQP6-WF7
Family then move down to Durham (need to find them in 1861) by 1862. Births/christenings of:
Thomas https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWQN-KVW
Anna https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSHY-6X8
Anthony https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJFL-FM4 and
Peter https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJFL-JJC
The family were Roman Catholic?
Still need to find the entry for William/Michael. The 1861 census entry would help to reconfirm details. Can't see them in Scotland for that year. Wonder if they were in England by then?
Monica
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Possible birth for son John in Govan (wonder if this was in the Partick area) in 1860 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQP6-WF7
Monica
Monica,
Do you think that could be one I posted earlier?
CONNELL WILLIAM
1860
646/2 187
Partick
I think it must be as that was all the Connell's for those areas?
I can't be sure with 1 giving Govan & other giving Partick but as you say, they may have both come under the same RD?
I'm still wondering about the name though, where did the Michael come from, an enigma ???
Annie
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Hi all,
Well done on the progression with the mysterious Connellys everyone :D
There is a John Conly aged 2 as a Lodger (bless him) within a household at Bishopwearmouth, Durham on the 1861 Census. His place of birth is Scotland .
Looby :)
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Looby,
I've searched for hrs & getting nowhere in England with family, plenty Bridget's but no Gregory's.
Can't see your find (different site/different transcriptions) :-\
Not sure this fits anywhere but will post anyway as it may come in handy at a later date?
John Conly
13
b Lanark, Glasgow
Reg No 644/3
RD Bridgeton
Parish Glasgow St John, Lanarkshire
Scholar
Catholic Orphan Institution
Schedule number 1
Line 11
Roll CSSCT1861_101
Annie
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Looby,
I've searched for hrs & getting nowhere in England with family, plenty Bridget's but no Gregory's.
Can't see your find (different site/different transcriptions) :-\
Annie
Sorry I should have given the link, but was rushing to go out and forgot :-[
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M76S-F9M
Not sure now if this would be the child born in 1860 to Gregory and Bridget :-\ A baby of months old was unlikely to be recorded as a 2 year.
Looby
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I think the family are AWOL still in 1861. Can't find them as yet in Scotland or England for 1861.
We have possible marriage for Gregory Connolly and Bridget Connolly in 1854.
We have birth of John in 1860 in Govan.
I think this might be William Michael in Partick in 1858 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQPX-FLN I have looked at this one. The birth reg is in Partick. Fly in the ointment is that father is recorder as Robert :-\ Can't make out the name of the street they are at. The 1860 birth of son John, also in Partick, shows the family at 65 Bridge Street. I have added from the 1858 cert a snippet from the address and also the name Bridget to see whether we see similar letters...
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Looks to me to be 9 Knowe Street but can't figure area name?
- - - - hill/hall?
Annie
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The area name is Partick. Gavin Paisley was the Registrar in both the 1858 and the 1860 birth regs. From 1860, for John, the address details of 65 Bridge Street, Partick below:
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From what I can make out , I'd agree with 9 Knowe Street (dunno if there was such a street in Partick :P ).
Is it worth asking SP if they can enhance the image Monica? I had a similar problem with the cause of death and informant on a death cert last year and enquired if they could clarify. I was astonished at how well the image came out after it was enchanced/rephotographed.
Looby :)
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Thought I would list the confusing names and ages to try and clear the muddy water inside my head.
1881 Census - William Connely ship riveter Bishopwearmouth age 21 birth year circa 1860
1891 Census - can't find with either name ???
1896 Marriage - William Michael Connelly Sunderland age 32 birth year circa 1864
1901 Census - Michael Connley ship riveter Bishopwearmouth age 50 birth year circa 1851
1911 Census- Michael Connelly ditto age 48 birth year circa 1863
1912 Death - Michael Connelly age 49 birth year circa 1863
Mercel you mention earlier that you have William Michael on the 1891 Census - can you provide age and the spelling of his surname please....I could not find him :(
Looby
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Oh ladies you are amazing, thank you all so so much for your continued searching. Sorry have been at work so haven't been able to access this. I am if not lost with all your fab work. I am going to have a search at the Sunderland area for a different spelling of Connelly, there seems to be so many different ones. John Connolly in St Joseph's area is still the best to start on for me as I know the area very well. Might be able to source something. I will get back to you as soon as possible. Thank you, I am so so grateful 😀
Loobylooayr yes I agree with those spellings have all the census since 1881 and they have been a nightmare to find. I have him on 1891 census on his own living with a family. I will confirm soelling when I go back to my tree x
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Hi the Michael I found living as a lodger in Catherine Street with the Hutton family. Spelling was Connolly. Aged 30 - age is more or less correct. Same profession, riveter.
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Monica witnesses to Williams marriage were a Frank Green and Ada Mary Turley
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Hi the Michael I found living as a lodger in Catherine Street with the Hutton family. Spelling was Connolly. Aged 30 - age is more or less correct. Same profession, riveter.
Found him !!
On this entry his place of birth has been recorded as England ::) I was looking for him as being born in Scotland.
So perhaps an error was made by enumerator, or if the Huttons provided the information perhaps they did not know that Michael had been born in Scotland (if indeed he was :o )
Looby
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On 1891 census it doesn't actually say where he was born. Normally would have DO underneath if born in same town. Box is blank? All the other census say Scotland.
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WVKB-3T2
I am using Familysearch, Mercel. See the link above. Unfortunately I have no access to original Census.
On Familysearch Michael has been transcribed as birthplace England.
However the if the actual Census has no birthplace completed that would suggest the person providing the information didn't know where Michael was from .
Looby
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Monica, I think you could be right with the family Gregory may have been his step dad, possibly the only dad he knew. I think Robert could have died and mother remarried. I will try and find a marriage for Robert and Bridget.
Thanks Loobylooayr I realised that, still thinking Scotland. It's becoming a saga isn't it 😂😂
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There is a Glasgow marriage for Gregory and Bridget in 1854 so I am thinking he will be the father of William Michael. Doesn't surprise me if Michael might occasionally show as born in Sunderland. Potentially he could have been there from c.1861 onwards. The 1871 census entry we had earlier for this family also showed Michael (as Mitchell) as being born in Sunderland.
This is a likely death for Gregory https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NPX8-W6N Man of mystery is this Gregory. He died in June and census was in March that year. He should be in the area for that last census for him. So far, we only have him in 1871 :-\
Mercel, apart from the marriage of John, there is also the marriage of Anthony linked above for reference.
Monica
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;D This family like to chop and change on their names! Found them now I think for 1891 in Jarrow Durham:
Michael Conelly 50 labourer b. Ireland
Bridget Conelly 45 b. Ireland
Anthoney Conelly 22 Riveter b. Jarrow, Durham
Jane Conelly 21 son's wife
Michael Conelly 28 Riveter b Scotland
Peter Conelly 22 Riveter b. Jarrow, Durham
Mary J Conelly 22 son's wife
John Conelly 29 Riveter b. Jarrow, Durham (looks like birth place confused with wife's)
Mary L Conelly 26 son's wife b. Scotland
Looks like all sons were married by this time, except for Michael then.
Monica
Added: Now I find it! https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WK75-23Z
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I have been looking at that family too Monica but was confused as we seemed to think we had William Michael on the 1891 already. He was lodging in 1881 and also lodging in 1891.
Either we can't find this family (1881 the rest of the gang are AWOL) or we find too many :)
Looby
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I do think this is them together in 1891. With this entry we have all the names from that 1871 entry, except Gregory showing as Michael. All matching pretty much too on birth places and occupations. I do not now think that the entry for Michael born 1858, lodging in 1891 is the correct one.
Likely Bridget died between 1891-1901. Have now found a possible entry for Michael Snr in Hebburn, a widower, aged 50 (light on years) born Ireland. Occupation is a brickyard labourer which is what showed in 1891. A/try have it transcribed as Michiel Connelly.
Monica
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Yes, these people all look good and they do seem to like chopping and changing names and ages and places of birth......
But who is this on the 1891 Census -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WV2N-NZM
This looks like the same Anthony from 1871 Census - but yet this Anthony and wife Jane are listed with the rest of the family in South Shields , Jarrow in 1891 (added) :P
Confusing ;D
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;D This family like to chop and change on their names!
Why should 1881 be any different ::) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q271-XLG6
So father so far we have potentially:
Gregory - at marriage and sons' marriage regs and 1871 census.
Robert - potentially for son William Michael's birth in 1858/Partick
Graham - census 1881
Michael - censuses
Gregory - at death in 1901
Not that concerned now really that son went by the name of William/Michael ;)
Monica
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Good find Monica - they certainly like a change of name, although to be fair Graham could be a mistranscription of Gregory (if the writing was bad) , same with Coaley/Connelly).
So that would also rule out the William lodging on 1881 too :-X
So Michael picked up the name William to get married ???
Looby :)
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But what about the "other" Anthony living in Bishopwearmouth with wife Mary J and child Margaret A.....could Anthony be on the Census twice ?
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You are both so good for giving up your time to help me. I am certainly not as quick as you at finding stuff. This looks great and they do fit in with the Millfield connection. Why they were in Jarrow is intriguing but I reckon they must have gone there for work. Gregory as I can see died in Hepburn but buried in Bishopwearmouth which is the cemetery close to the Wilson Street area. Perhaps Gregory was Michael Gregory or Gregory Michael.
Michael Conelly 50 labourer b. Ireland
Bridget Conelly 45 b. Ireland
Anthoney Conelly 22 Riveter b. Jarrow, Durham
Jane Conelly 21 son's wife
Michael Conelly 28 Riveter b Scotland
Peter Conelly 22 Riveter b. Jarrow, Durham
Mary J Conelly 22 son's wife
John Conelly 29 Riveter b. Jarrow, Durham (looks like birth place confused with wife's)
Mary L Conelly 26 son's wife b. Scotland
would there be a possibility that he could have been added to two censuses, one in Sunderland and the other in Jarrow same as Anthony. It looks like dad has just said they are the members of our family and might occasionally live here lol.
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I am not sure why that 1891 listing shows all the sons in the household then...but it certainly really helps in confirming the whole family and the names of their wives ;)
We have all the relevant census info now except 1861?
Mercel, not sure how easy it is for you to check up further on burial registers at the cemetery where Gregory, father, was buried? There may (or maybe not) be some further info that might help.
Monica
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Bishopwearmouth is the main cemetery for the area of Millfield where most of the family seemed to have lived at some point. At the time of his death William Michael was living in Wilson Street about half a mile from cemetery. I will look into this and my next visit to Sunderland in April I will go and find his grave. I wonder as the family moved to South Tyneside at different times whether Gregory or Bridget had brothers and sisters living there. There seem to be quite a few Connellys in the area. That will be my next job.
Once again ladies you have been absolutely fantastic. Thank you so much.
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I have bought the image from Scotland's people for the birth of Michael Connelly. Father is shown as Robert Connolly, a labourer and a Bachelor. Bridget is shown as maiden name Connolly. I think Bridget has been a bit naughty had an affair with Robert, Michael being the result. Gregory has as it seems been very forgiving and took the family to the north east and bring Michael up as his own. I can't make out the address as transcript is very difficult to read. That would be interesting to see if it is the same address as John. Was definitely Govan going by the IGI batch number.
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I have bought the image from Scotland's people for the birth of Michael Connelly. Father is shown as Robert Connolly, a labourer and a Bachelor. Bridget is shown as maiden name Connolly. I think Bridget has been a bit naughty had an affair with Robert, Michael being the result. Gregory has as it seems been very forgiving and took the family to the north east and bring Michael up as his own. I can't make out the address as transcript is very difficult to read. That would be interesting to see if it is the same address as John. Was definitely Govan going by the IGI batch number.
You can ask Scotlands People to try and help decipher the address , Mercel. I had to ask once about the cause of death and informant on a death cert which was very "scratchy" writing. SP managed somehow to enhance the image and I was able to read it .
I'm not sure about Robert :-\ ::) I wonder if he's Gregory .
There were 4 Michael Connellys (or variation of the spellings) born in Glasgow 1858/59, including the child born to Robert and Bridget .
One poor wee Michael dies registered at Partick age 0 1859. That means 3 Michaels appear on the 1861 Census.
There is one Michael aged 2 in Partick.
One Michael aged 1 in Hutchesontown.
And one Michael aged 3 in Clyde.
Surely one of these children must be the elusive Michael.
Looby
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Sadly not, Looby!
Michael aged 2 in Partick - Parents Peter and Margaret. I think this is the one we talked about earlier on here that Mercel mentioned as a possible before confirmation of father's name from the marriage cert.
Michael aged 1 in Hutchesontown - Parents John and Ann.
Michael aged 3 in Clyde - parents Michael and Sarah.
Monica
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Sadly not, Looby!
Monica
I should have known better ::)
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Thanks yeah I have tried to decipher the father and it does look like Robert, this birth is in Govan same place as John was born. Can I post it here to show you. I do display the copyright notification.
Are you saying this is the baby that died?
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The deceased baby Michael Connelly is the child of Patrick and Ann (Cannon). Smallpox :'(
There is no corresponding birth for Michael & Sarah Connelly in Lanarkshire 1857-1861 :-\
Looby :)
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There is also a Roman Catholic marriage at Glasgow , St Alphonsus on the 8/1/1855 between a Gregor Connelly and a Bridget Connelly . The original can be viewed on Scotlands People - I have no clue how much information the record will give.
I know you have a marriage for the couple in 1854 at a Parish Church but it is not unusual for Catholic couples to have their marriage recorded in both churches .
Looby :)
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Now this is interesting Mercel - my nosiness got the better of me :P
The RC marriage reads - Gregor Connelly and Bridget Connelly were after due proclamation married by me in presence of Anthony Cannon and Honora Monikar Jan 8th 1855. F Cody.
This interested me because the death of baby Michael Connelly - son of Partrick and Ann (Cannon) in 1861 is registered by the informant Anthony Cannon (uncle), 1 Well Lane, Partick . The death took place at 3 Well Road/Lane (poor writing).
Looby :)
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Wow that is interesting.
Well this plot thickens by the second. Definitely confused to what went on
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Well now spent a further two hours trying to piece this together and nothing seems to fit right as regard to the birth of William Michael. Don't think I am ever going to find out it seems to get more and more complicated the more I look. I did have a thought that his brother could be the Patrick you mentioned earlier but can't find anything linking them together.
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This interested me because the death of baby Michael Connelly - son of Partrick and Ann (Cannon) in 1861 is registered by the informant Anthony Cannon (uncle), 1 Well Lane, Partick . The death took place at 3 Well Road/Lane (poor writing).
Looby :)
This must be Uncle Anthony Canon given the address. From 1861:
Anthony Cannon 28 dock labourer b. Ireland
Catherine Cannon 28 b. Ireland
Mary Cannon 6
John Cannon 3
Michael Cannon 9 Months
Bridget Lowrie 19 lodger
Ellen Docherty 21 lodger
Address: 1 Well Lane, Partick, Govan
Wife Catherine looks to have the maiden name of Britt, going by this birth https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQPX-N4M
Patrick Connolly and wife Ann were living in 2 Well Lane at the time of the 1861 Census.
Monica
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Still not been able to confirm his date of birth or where he was born, so frustrating. I did send off for his death certificate. That came back saying he was 49when he died. He died in Wilson Street where he was living when he got married. Person present was his sister in law Isabelle. I have searched all uk entries and Scotland entries. surely he should appear on baptism records, family were Catholics.