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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kincardineshire => Topic started by: Mitch1957 on Monday 20 February 17 04:11 GMT (UK)
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Hi again,,Thanks to previous hints I am now back on track..
I would like help on tracing George Mitchell born abt 1718 who married Elspet Johnstoun in 1736 at Fettercairn,Kincardine ( have marriage promise document)
They had to my knowledge 3 children, one who was robert mitchell born 1750 at Marykirk,Kincardine.
Robert married Janet Taylor in 1776..
In turn one of their 5 children was Robert Mitchell born abt 1784 Married Helen Christison in 1807 Robert died in 1865 is one of them ( I have his death cert copy stating his parents)
One of their children was Robert Mitchell born 1809 who served in the "Life Guards" came to Tasmania (stating wanting to come to Hobart Town)
I have Robert's death cert copy (1880) but alas no mention of parents..
I do have army details plus birth cert of his children and the signatures are fairly identical..
Sorry for the waffling, but i feel i need to write this to help paint a picture..cheers again Tony
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Hi
I've had a look at your family, but unfortunately they are a difficult lot and I have found very little. For what's it worth and in case any of it is of interest, here goes …
George Mitchell and Elspet Johnstoun mar 1736 Fettercairn. Three children bpt Marykirk, Mary 30/3/1746, William 14/8/1748 and Robert 12/10/1750. Presumably missing bpts of other children for the years 1736-1746, but I can't find anything.
Just to confuse things there are also George Mitchel and Margaret Jonstoun bpt dau Ann 13/12/1738 Marykirk and George Mitchel and Isab. Johnstoun bpt son George 6/9/1741 Marykirk. So, potentially three separate George Mitchells bpt children at Marykirk at the same time?
Robert Mitchell mar Helen Christison 6/6/1807 Edzell and bpt William 1808, Robert 1809, James 1811, Mary 1813, Charles 1815, David 1818, Elizabeth 1821, George 1823 and John 1825 all at Edzell. I can't find any of the family on the Edzell 1841 census.
Helen was the dau of Hugh Christison and Mary Valentine mar 11/5/1782 Edzell. Children William 4/5/1783, Helen 19/9/1784 and Sarah 18/3/1787 all Edzell.
There is a Robert Mitchell at Colthill, Edzell in the 1841 census, but he's not yours.
Robert Mitchell 55 Ag Lab born outside Angus
Betty 50 born Angus
David 21 Linen Hand Loom Weaver born Angus
Alexander Clarke 73 Ag Lab born outside Angus
There are a lot of missing details - baptisms, deaths and burials, census entries, etc. Maybe someone with better access to records than me can help?
Valerie
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Hello Valerie..
Thank you so much for your effort..I have attached baptism details for Robert Mitchel birth 1750 at Marykirk...I have George and Elspet mariage dtails as well..
I am on Ancestry and aware of Robert and Helen from Edzell and their brood including Robert born 1809 who through prior discussions on Forfarshire established he was in the army till 1861.
Robert, married to Helen remarried after Helens passing 1826 to Betty Lamond 1830
The documents attached hopefully will help you with my query..
Thanks again Valerie
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Ah so, the Robert and Betty on the 1841 Edzell census are yours after all! Do you know if Helen is buried at Marykirk or Edzell?
The snippet is wonderful. I can't read what it says between Mitchell and son? Also what does it say after Elspet Johnstoun? Is it in Gosesly? If so, any idea what that is?
Valerie
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G'Day Valerie..
Helen was buried at Edzell..
Snippet says..Robt Mitchel called son to George Mitchel and Elspe Johnstoun in Gosesly before these witnesses..
I have been in correspondence with another seeker and they think Gosesly could be a "Farm" name ?
I have attached George and Elspet marriage details for you...
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The first person I asked at work this morning knew exactly where/what Gosesly is. It is currently owned by DM Carnegie and used to be a dairy farm. You can find it on google maps and see it on streetview.
Gossesslie Farm, Luthermuir, Laurencekirk, Aberdeenshire AB30 1RL
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Just to confuse things there are also George Mitchel and Margaret Jonstoun bpt dau Ann 13/12/1738 Marykirk and George Mitchel and Isab. Johnstoun bpt son George 6/9/1741 Marykirk. So, potentially three separate George Mitchells bpt children at Marykirk at the same time?
4/5/1783, Helen 19/9/1784 and Sarah 18/3/1787 all Edzell.
Elspet Johnstoun and Isab. Johnstoun may be the same person, as Elspet and Isabel/Isobel are sometimes used interchangeably.
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Hi to all..
Yes, Gossesslie Farm sounds about right, there is a Gosesly in Belgium so thought that was a bit far away hehehehe..Attached another relating to Janet Taylor born 1749 listed as Boggindollah.
Parents John Taylor and Ann Low ( with Ann i was hoping it was Ann Christie from Marykirk as wife, my GG Grandfather named his daughter Ann Christie) but marriage cert says Fettercairn.
Yes, Now confused..Hehehehe......I have attached what I have with George and Isabel Children, all born at Maykirk..
With George born abt 1718 i am stuck..
Due to George Lyall born 1823 , my GG Grandfathers brother..He recited for publication "Lizzie Lindsay" and in his brief he relates that our family were from Nether Careston for generations , then not tacking up the tack late 1780 to 1800 ???
I have about three Georges born in the Tannadice area ....
Thanks for your help again
Tony
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"not tacking up the tack" would be not takin' (ie taking) up the lease.
Boggindollah appears on modern maps as Boggindollo.
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Terrific info Isabel and wonderful family anecdotes Tony. From this it would appear that the family were at Nether Careston, then for whatever reason didn't extend their lease and moved away 1780-1800.
There is lots on the net about Nether Careston. Plan of the farm of Nether Careston
http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/record/nrs/RHP780/plan-farm-nether-careston/nrs
MI's including (34) and (35) Mitchells and (36) George Mitchells
http://www.ancestor.abel.co.uk/Angus/Careston.html
This website also has parish maps of Kincardineshire and Angus (Forfarshire)
Angus Archives have the rental of the estate of Careston 1724-1740 including 40 farms and their tenants.
Familysearch has the Careston registers batch C11277-2
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Ageorge~%20%2Bsurname%3Amitchel*~%20%2Bbatch_number%3AC11277-2
In the 17th century Careston was in the parish of Brechin familysearch batch C11275-2 has three George Mitchells to choose from 4/7/1707 son of Geo and Margaret Bean, 25/1/1719 son of James and Margaret Nepper and 28/8/1720 son of Geo and Elizabeth Watt.
If you have the time and inclination it could be interesting building Careston Mitchell families and bringing them forwards.
Gossesslie Farm is in the parish of Marykirk hence George and Elspet Mitchell's children being bpt there. I think Isabel H could well be right in that Elspet and Isab. are one and the same person. This makes me wonder whether Margaret could possibly be a mistranscription for Elspet? Could be worth getting the original entry in the register checked.
I read that "Lizzie Lindsay" was popular in the 18th century.
Do you think this is where George Lyall got his name from? "A grey granite stone commemorates the Rev. David Lyell and his wife the Hon. Catherine Arbuthnott." Also " The story goes that the farmer Mr. Mitchell had difficulty in persuading his men to work the machine for it was thought impious to use the "Devil's Wind." http://junkinsfamilyassociation.wikidot.com/church-parish-careston-scotland
Have fun and hope these links work!
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Hi again..
Still trying to track George Mitchell birth and Home town
Have a few suggested by Chat members..
This is what i have found
Ann Mitchel 1738 daughter born to George Mitchel of Marykirk parish and Margt Jonstoun of ( I believe Dublin ) ????
George's other children were born to
Isabel Johnstoun of Luthermuir son George 1741
Elspet Johnstoune of Gossesslie Farm..Mary 1746, William 1748 and Robert 1750
Could this be correct ??
My query is with attached document
I have traced a inhabited place called Dublin at Rosskeen based on a-z scotland places???
Please have a look at attachment
Thankyou
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It certainly looks like "Dublin", but the way it is worded - "in Dublin" rather than "of Dublin" - makes me think it is probably the name of a farm.
The closest name I can see on Ordnance Survey maps is Dubton, slightly North west of Marykirk. Could it be that? If the writer was filling out the register from scribbled notes, or in a hurry, maybe he made a mistake.
http://maps.nls.uk/view/74400914#zoom=5&lat=3467&lon=4215&layers=BT (http://maps.nls.uk/view/74400914#zoom=5&lat=3467&lon=4215&layers=BT)
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Hi Isabel H..
Thank you,,, that does make sense..
Have found map..
So, George was at Dubton farm for Ann's birth ( Margt. Jonstoun )
then moved to Luthermuir for George ( Isabel Johnstoun)
then Gossesslie farm for Mary, William and Robert (Elspet johnstoune)
Thanks
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Hi again..
Just to add..
So would George from birth ( about 1710 ) to whatever age would he travel far to start work ?
Based on George lyall mitchell 1823 he states his forbears were at Nether Careston..???
So far I have George at Marykirk, Gossesslie 1740's...Robert, his son in the 1770's at Marykirk and then Robert 1800"s his son at Wood on Dalbog plus Colthill...George lyall 1823 is his son.
I have a George Mitchell born in Brechin to George and Margret Bean/Bain 1707 that fits
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Farm workers could, and often did, move around a lot from farm to farm, and not always in the same area. They obtained work at hiring fairs (feeing markets), held twice yearly. They might choose to look for work elsewhere, or if their employer did not ask them to stay on, they were obliged to move.
"The Annals of Arbuthnott" gives an insight into the lives of farming folk in North east Scotland:
http://www.scottishcorpus.ac.uk/document/?documentid=1375 (http://www.scottishcorpus.ac.uk/document/?documentid=1375)
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Hi again..
Have found, with help George Mitchel 1707 from Brechin..parents george and Margaret Bean/Bain????..
George would of walked to Fettercairn and there met and married Elspet Johnstoune 1736..
From there they went to Dubton, Marykirk where Ann was born 1738 to (Margt Jonstoun)
From there to Luthermuir, Marykirk where George was born 1741 to (Isabel Johnstoun)
From there to Gossesslie Muir, Marykirk where Mary 1746, William 1748 and Robert 1750 ( my direct ancestor) where born..
I have found register of deaths relating to George for Marykirk and asking the meaning of ..."Do"...
I know about M. C...mort cloth
attached is a snippet
Thanks again
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It's the abbreviation for Ditto, i.e. same as item in row above, although in this case the abbreviation isn't actually any shorter than what it replaces!
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Thank you Isabel H