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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: Chris Cameron on Friday 24 February 17 20:24 GMT (UK)
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I'm trying to locate information on my Great-Great-Grandfather (Thomas Thornhill Neagle). Family history tells me that he was born in County Cork and arrived in New Zealand around 1858 with the Imperial Foot Regiment, enlistment number 2012. He was discharged in Napier, New Zealand in 1859 and married Elizabeth Ann Jackson in 1862.
I have been unable to locate any information to verify his service details and am interested in locating this, or any details on his parents or other family members.
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I'm trying to locate information on my Great-Great-Grandfather (Thomas Thornhill Neagle). Family history tells me that he was born in County Cork and arrived in New Zealand around 1858 with the Imperial Foot Regiment, enlistment number 2012. He was discharged in Napier, New Zealand in 1859 and married Elizabeth Ann Jackson in 1862.
I have been unable to locate any information to verify his service details and am interested in locating this, or any details on his parents or other family members.
Hello & welcome to Rootschat. Do you know what denomination Thomas was? Do you have a marriage record as it may show his fathers name. I also feel that the "Thornhill " in his name could be his mothers surname prior to marriage to Neagle as this happened on occassion.
The RC Church records are online to search Baptisms & Marriages & burials in some places www.registers.nli.ie but to browse these you would have to know the Parish in Co Cork.Civil Registration began in Ireland in 1864 so you would have to rely on Church records.
If you knew his fathers name you could browse www.nationalarchives.ie for Tithe Applotment & Griffith Valuation records also 1901/1911 censuses.
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According to the 1862 New Zealand marriage record I have, they were married in a C of E church in Napier. An Auckland baptism record matching the details we have for his wife is RC.
At the time of their marriage, they weren't required to give details of their parents, if they were 'of age'. Their record states that they were both 'full age'. But his wife's death record says she was 19 when she married! And, before you ask, my Great Grandfather was the eldest son, born 11 months after the wedding.
A cousin says he has seen the appropriate military records for Thomas, but I haven't been able to locate those.
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There's a post on another board from 2012:
"Born County Cork 22 December 1828
Travelled via Australia with the 99th Lanarkshire as convict guards in Tasmania
Transferred to the 65th (2nd Yorkshire North Riding) in New Zealand in 1856. (arrived in Auckland 11 February 1856)
Took his discharge (after completion of service) in Napier in 1859
Married Elizabeth Anne Jackson in Napier 03 November 1862.
Elizabeth Anne was apparently born in Coromandel, New Zealand 13 May 1841.
No indications either were in America at any time"
http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.neagle/83.2/mb.ashx
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Thanks, that would be him. A little more of the puzzle. I'll see where that takes me and see what other information comes to light here.
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Checked and although it gives a little information that I didn't know, the discussion was started by my cousin and neither of us has been able to confirm the parents and other history for Thomas or his wife.
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family search
http://www.familysearch,org
probate 1884
Napier, Hawke's bay
left everything to his wife.
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Thanks for the link, we've got a pretty good handle on his life in New Zealand after he left the army. We have absolutely no information on his life in Cork, or any details on his parents. I'd love to know more about that, even some links to where I may be able to find something would be useful.
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About the only missing information for Thomas after his discharge is where he lived.
His electoral roll details, in the 1870s, give his qualification, to vote, as "town sections 211 & 213, Clive". I know where modern Clive is, but don't know how to map the historical town sections onto the modern map.
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I now have a map of Clive and know where he lived after his discharge from the army. My father says he was granted land due to his service in the army, but I haven't been able to find information to confirm this.
I've also found information in the publication "Discharged in New Zealand". This gives his 99th regiment number as 2612 and his 65th regiment number as 3751. His place of enlistment and trade at enlistment and enlistment date are blank! He was discharged, in Napier, on 30 September 1859, on the completion of his service (what was the usual length of service?). Regimental numbers 2606, 2610, 2613 and 2620 all have enlistment dates in 1852, suggesting he enlisted in 1852.
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I have searched the land grants and have not managed to locate your Thomas. I also searched the NZ Medals lists and had no luck there either. However, I will keep him on my radar. cheers
This thesis may be of interest to you.
https://researcharchive.vuw.ac.nz/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10063/6740/thesis_access.pdf?sequence=1
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Here is another link you may consider
<https://www.linz.govt.nz/land/land-records/search-for-land-records/historic-land-records>