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I am trying to find information on Charles Clarke who died in 1911 at Chatswood Sydney, he had a partner called a Elizabeth Baird and a wife called Emily, he also owned the Taroom Hotel in Queensland and also had gone to New Zealand at one stage, I am wanting to find out who his parents where and when he was born
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NSW death:14188/1911 Charles CLARKE; Father-Charles; Mother-Eveline; Chatswood
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thank you. so you do not known where he was born then
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Can't see a birth in NSW for Charles Clarke with those parents
Death certificate may have place of birth (if informant knew details).
Funeral Notice SMH6Nov1911 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15286834
Waverley Cemetery
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Adding death notice: http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15286879
CLARKE.—November 3, at Thornleigh, Charles, beloved husband of Effie Clarke, late of Yeovill, Fern-street, Randwick. American and New Zealand papers please copy?
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Why don't you purchase a transcription of his death certificate? It should have information to help you proceed with your research.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx#transcription
Cando
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Charles Clarke who died in 1911 at Chatswood Sydney, he had a partner called a Elizabeth Baird and a wife called Emily, he also owned the Taroom Hotel in Queensland and also had gone to New Zealand at one stage
When you said Emily, did you mean Effie?
The Charles Clark whose funeral / death notice published above: wife is Euphemia (Effie)?
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-page1296099
"IN THE SUPREME COURT OF NEW SOUTH WALES.—Probate Jurisdiction.—In the Estate of CHARLES CLARKE, late of Randwick, near Sydney, in the State of New South Wales, Machine Agent, deceased, intestate.—Application will be made after fourteen days from the publication hereof that letters of administration to the Estate of the abovenamed deceased may be granted to EUPHEMIA CLARKE, Widow of the said deceased".....
Your Charles CLARKE of Taroom QLD. He was in Auckland NZ in 1906 when his wife Elizabeth was applying for her victuallers license for the Taroom premises
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-page10174320
Cheers
AMBLY"
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You may already have some of these from TROVE.
October 1889. " Our new energetic storekeeper and publican, Mr Charles CLARKE..."
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/186200867
Apr 1890. Flood at Taroom where Mr CLARK (sic) had to leave the hotel and lost some of his stock.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/192522582
Apr 1891. Mr Taylor has bought Mr CLARKE's hotel and store
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/184248112
July 1892. Mr CLARKE building the first two-storied hotel.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/182849850
August 1902. Fire at Taroom Hotel - Mr CLARKE is the owner and Mr Frederick Kable has had it leased for aobut two years.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/124143514
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/21804068
Dec 1913 At Taroom - Marriage of Mr Sydney CLARKE, second son of Mrs Elizabeth CLARKE, proprietress of the Taroom Hotel.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/215339131
There are quite a few more -
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/
Judith
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Charles CLARKE who died 3 Nov 1911 in NSW:
What we've found show he was a Machine Agent, Late of Randwick near Sydney
Widow: Euphemia (Effie).
Victoria, Australia, Wills and Probate Records, 1841-2009
Charles CLARKE who died 3 Nov 1911 in NSW: his will was administered 1913, and only mentions a wife/widow name Emily (mentioned many times and at one part, signed her name):
Granted, District Court of Victoria, 13 Dec 1913
Will & Estate of Charles Clarke of Smith Street, Fitzroy in the State of Victoria, Hotel Keeper, but late of Fern Street, Randwick, NSW, Machinery Agent
Presented to the Registrar 24 Oct 1913
Upon reading affidavits of Emily CLARKE….granted to widow Emily CLARKE of Lyttleton Street, Castlemaine, Victoria……His will was dated 2 Aug 1883.
And a lot more of similar, basically: his two executors in the will - one had died, the other renounced in 1913. and Emily was then granted Probate. He didn't leave much - some real estate, but no personal Estate.
How do you know, that this man who died 3 Nov 1911, is the same Charles CLARKE of Taroom QLD fame who in 1906 was the Auckland NZ based husband of Elizabeth of Taroom ?
Cheers
AMBLY
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The Charles Clarke who died 1911 is buried at Waverly with Euphemia:
Anglican section 20 Select, row 1, grave 6099
Charles Clarke 9 November 1911 aged 61, inscription 'My parents'
Euphemia Clarke 10 February 1947 aged 67, inscription 'Nell"
Euphemia death notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article27906770
This is odd, a notice for Euphemia marrying as a widow to William Henry Lennon in 1913. Yet she is interred as Clarke.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15466358
Jamjar
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Divorce for Euphemia https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/490903
Ros
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There is a Charles Edward CLARKE who enlisted in WW1, NOK mother Elizabeth CLARKE, Taroom, QLD. He is 25 years old, born Taroom Qld, living at Taroom Qld and he is a hotel-keeper
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/490903
Ros
photo http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/192176063?q&versionId=210115139
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Charles CLARKE and Elizabeth BIRD/BAIRD
Had 3 children (which she herself mentioned in 1906 when re-applying for her victuallers license)
Fergus John, Sidney and Charles Edward.
The QLD Birth Index for Fergus and Charles, say mms BIRD.
Fergus was lost in WW1 and there is a BIO about him here:
http://indicatorloops.com/yeronga/
Summary:
Born 15/8 1898 South Brisbane but lived in the small town of Taroom.
His father Charles Clarke - born in London in 1851
Married Elizabeth Baird (aka Bird)
Had three children....
Father Charles (Snr) owned the Taroom Hotel ...where they lived
In 1902 the hotel burnt down & Charles (Snr) & wife separated and he left Queensland for Auckland New Zealand.
Mrs Clarke rebuilt the hotel (getting her Licensed Victualler's License)
Mr Clarke, it seems, left New Zealand for San Francisco in 1909 "
Whether or not that is all proven/documented - I don't know from that article.
In 1889, Charles was the new owner fo Taroom Hotel:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article186200867
Have recently acquired it;
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article19820392
Charles (snr) transferred the Hotel License from himself to wife Elizabeth in 1899
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article97489625
The Hotel was caught in the Taroom Floods 1890:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/97494444
Would be good to find the marriage of Charles CLARKE & Elizabeth BAIRD / BIRD in the hopes of ascertaining his parents names.
I've see the passenger list of Charles CLARK 61, married, male, Tourist, b "Surley" England (Surrey?) going from NZ to San Francisco, as a Tourist. Not seemingly travelling with anyone else.
SS Mariposa, arrived 18 Jun 1909, Auckland to San Francisco via Papeete, Tahiti.
Cheers
AMBLY
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The Victorian marriage to Emily THOMPSON does say born London.
CLARKE Charles ( Birth Place LONDON)
THOMPSON Emily
Year 1878
Reg 548
Sue
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Newspaper announcement of THOMPSON - CLARKe marriage http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5920413
Doesn't add anything useful :(
Ros
Great finds Ambly :)
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with inCformation that you have gave me, I got the marriage cert of Charles Clarke and Emily Thompson, mother being Margaret Reilly and Pearson Thompson, Charles mother being Angelinia not Eveline as stated on Head Stone at grave, his father being Charles John Clarke,
Charles and Emily where married at emerald hill Victoria on the 6th feb 1878 he being 28 and she 23
he was a publican which he was most of his life, wanting to find if there is any children of this union as can not find any, there was another Charles Clarke that married a emma Thompson in the same year but this is not them also can you find a death date for Emily
thankyou for all the help you have gave so far
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Could this be the couple? Charles manager at newport hotel eloping with another woman to USA and wife Emily reporting it in 1889
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article197322470
Ros
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Emily stating that she did not report the affair http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article6262772
Ros
adding : another account http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article6262441
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yes that is the couple
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he also had another woman , Elizabeth Baird who he did not marry but had four sons,
he also married a Euphemia Ross in New Zealand in 1901 and had one daughter Nell
as stated previous died in 1911
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He was a charmer ...? Here is a snippet of police report.
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Yes, there were children of this marriage.
Here is the death notice for one
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4380661 #
Death notice in 1931 for daughter of Charles and Emily CLARKE named Elizabeth Beatrice Alice.
Here known as Trixie McHARDY. She married McHARDY.
This lists a number of siblings some of whose births can be found as CLARKE and Charles as father, but some of whose I cannot. Jack and Maude.
I will type up the births now, but I have not located all.
CLARKE
CLARKE Mary Ellen, Father Charles. Mother Emily Thompson. At Fitz. 1879 9270
CLARKE William Charles. Father Charles. Mother Emily Thompson At Fitz.1880 #15747
CLARKE Annie Emily Gert. Father Charles. Mother Emily Thompson. At Fitz 1882 #9342
CLARKE Albert Stephen Father Charles. Mother Emily Thompson 1883 #182668x1902
CLARKE Albert Stephen Father Charles. Mother Emily Thompson 1884 #182668x1902
CLARK Ruby May Father Charles. Mother Emily Thompson. 1885. At Melb. #12034
CLARKE Elizabeth Beatrice Alice. Father Charles. Mother Emily Thompson. At Carl.1887 #9529
CLARKE George Joseph Father Charles. Mother Emily Thompson. At Williamstown1889. #17461
Seems likely :D
Ellen is Nellie
Gertie is Annie Emily Gert.
Bert is Albert
George is George Joseph
Sue
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Well found Sue :)
I think this is Ruby's wedding and her mother is said to be Mrs Veives
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article64009035
1934 Death Emily harcourt VEIVES father Pearson ThOMPSON, mother Elizabeth unknown, reg 6039
Ros
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CLARKE George Joseph : SERN 777 : POB Melbourne VIC : POE Melbourne VIC : NOK M Pives Emily
(b. Newport, mother address Warburton)
SHEEHAN John : Service Number - 5186 : Place of Birth - Carlton VIC : Place of Enlistment - Melbourne VIC : Next of Kin - (Mother) VEIVES Emily
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From electoral rolls
1909 Emily VEIVES , Warburton, boarding house keeper
William VEIVES, Warburton, labourer
1914 Emily VEIVES, Warburton, home duties
William VEIVES, Warburton, labourer
1917 Emily VEIVES, Warburton, home duties
(no William)
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Birth of John CLARKE, who calls himself John SHEEHAN on his war service record
CLARKE John Octavius Thomson (sic)
Father Unknown
Mother Emily CLARKE
Birth Place CARL
Year 1893
Reg. 11038
His file contains letters of interest.
Sue
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Here is Maud
CLARK Maud
Father Unknown
Mother Emily CLARK
Birth Place WARBURTON
Year 1896
Reg. Number 7487
So my replies #25 and #26 give us the Jack and Maude of the death notice for Trixie McHARDY.
Sue
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Emily had many sad incidents in her life I think.
The given name of SHEEHAN was Timothy.
Here are the deaths of his two children with Emily.
SHEEHAN Maude Harcourt C
Father Timothy
Mother Emily TOMPSON
Death Place WARB
Age 82
Year 1978
Reg Number 5803
SHEEHAN John Octavious T
Father Timothy
Mother Emily THOMPSON
Death Place KEW
Age 76
Year: 1969
Reg Number 20948
A sighting of Timothy SHEEHAN at Warburton 1895
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/60462081
Timothy SHEEHAN of Warburton rescued from drowning in 1891
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8643349
More details of the event. This and several news items and advertisements, suggest Timothy SHEEHAN was a mail coach driver.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8633831
Suicide Timothy SHEEHAN of Melbourne aged 35 in 1900 by jumping overboard and drowning
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206967593
Admin granted in the estate of Timothy SHEEHAN in 1901
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/139171209
Letters of administration were granted to Emily SHEEHAN widow of Timothy SHEEHAN
https://www.prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/wills-and-probates
In Memoriam Timothy SHEEHAN 1901 from E. S. (Emily SHEEHAN?)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/192214032
Sue
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staplehouse,
Do you require any further information?
Sue
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hi Sue
thanks for everything so far, there is one thing that different on the marriage cert is that Emily mother name is Elizabeth where on the cert is states Margaret Reilly, so did her father remarried, Pearson Thompson, or is this a different Emily Thompson, also is there a divorce for Charles and Emily, as it seems he only stay with each woman 11 years and they where all seems to be working in the hotel industry,, what a man , makes you wonder if each family knew about the other or not, a lot of unaswer question hey
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There is ample information about Pearson THOMPSON in the news of the day.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/
Enormously wealthy barrister of UK who lost money in mining ventures and settled in Castlemaine Victoria in his later years.
You need to read this lengthy obituary for Pearson Thompson who died 1872
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/199379757
This other item on his death in 1872 is very revealing
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/88247270
"Mr Thompson has left a son and daughter, the former being a colonel of the 14th Hussars, the latter the widow of a naval cap-tain. To these two children the bulk of his property is left, though we are given to understand that for other little responsibilities that are left behind ample provision is made in the deceasedgentleman's will "
This to me is a clear implication that there were illegitimate children. Perhaps Emily was one of these ;D
Sue
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So now..
An item typed in full for your interest
Ballarat Star Saturday 27 June 1868, page 2
"On Saturday (says Wednesday's Daylesford Mercury) Mary Foley, of Castlemaine, who was sent to prison by the local bench for three months, for dislocating Mr Pearson Thompson's hip, was liberated from the gaol at that town. The first thing she did was to break the windows of the Queen's Head hotel, Castlemaine, upon which she was again handed over to the police. How she escaped their hands we are not aware, but about half-past 4 p.m. on Tuesday she arrived at Daylesford by the Castlemaine coach, and went straight to Mr Pearson Thompson's house, who, we may remark, has been crippled for life. On reaching his residence, she encountered Mrs Riley, who is again living with Mr Thompson. On meeting each other, the two women commenced abusing one another, and a scuffle ensued. The neighbours were alarmed by screams of " murder," and the shrieking of a little child of the woman Foley's, the paternity of which she attributes to Mr Thompson. At length the police arrived, and marched Foley off to the lock-up. Should she be found the aggressor, we trust—as it will be her sixth or seventh appearance in court here—that we shall be relieved of her presence for some time to come. We cannot but add that the frequent disturbances at Mr Thompson's house are a scandal to himself and the town. It is deplorable that a gentleman by birth, a member of a learned profession, and the father of a distinguished cavalry officer in the British army, should, at eighty years of age be the victim of abandoned women".
And another a little earlier
The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954) Friday 25 October 1867
"Emerald-hill (Wednesday). Mary Riley summoned Pearson Thompson, to compel him to contribute towards the maintenance of his illegitimate child. The defendant was in attendance, and as tho complainant did not appear the case was dismissed."
Ongoing "problems" for THOMPSON along the same lines
Mount Alexander Mail Mon 22 Nov 1869
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197311375
And.....
Mt Alexander Mail 9th July 1874
"A late Police Gazette contains a black list of those in arrears for maintenance of children in the Industrial and Reformatory Schools. Among the number is the name of Pearson Thompson who removed from' Daylesford to Castlemaine years ago, and died there. This paragraph will bring a smile on the faces of many of our readers in this district who hail from Castlemaine and Daylesford ".
Sue
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what a life and what went on in those days is still going on today, thank you for that Sue
now have you come across any information on his third woman, Elizabeth Baird, they had three sons, one being a Sidney Clarke being born some where on the 2n May 1892.
this Charles Clarke was very smart to void these other woman along the way, hope you can help
tom
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There is this death in Qld
1952 Reg: C1828
Elizabeth CLARKE
Father: Bird
Funeral Notice for this woman but no relatives mentioned so it's difficult to be sure she is the correct person:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/50312214
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/124582586
There is an on-line tree which has photographs of Charles and Elizabeth taken from the Rockhampton Morning Bulletin, unfortunately undated and I cannot see it on TROVE. The photos are captioned "Clarke "dynasty" founder Charles Clarke" and "Elizabeth Clarke, Nee Baird". Tree also has photos of the three sons.
This tree also suggests that this is Elizabeth's birth:
Victoria, 1863 #8405
Elizabeth BAIRD
Birth Place Inglewood, Victoria
Father Fergus Baird
Mother Martha Waddell
As her third son was called Fergus it seems a possibility.
Another child of the same parents and also born Inglewood, Victoria (i.e. a sister of Elizabeth), Mary Lyle BOLGER (Nee Baird) was in Taroom Qld in 1908, so, again, there is strong circumstantial evidence that the birth is correct.
Electoral rolls:
Elizabeth CLARKE is shown at Taroom, licesed victualler 1903-1917
In 1917 Sidney, labourer, and Charles Edward, bookkeeper, are also in Taroom.(Charles Edward was not discharged from the army till 1919 so it seems the roll was not amended in that time)
1918 Sidney and Charles Edward still in Taroom but Elizabeth is not listed - again, Charles Edward is still in the AIF in 1918.
There are too many Elizabeth CLARKEs to be able to follow her later.
I have quite a lot of further information about Emily's father Pearson THOMPSON. As he is an aside to your prime research you may not want anything further on him.
Judith
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Death of Charlie CLARKE 1952 at Cracow Qld. Buried at Taroom.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/75826409
Judith
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yes that is all correct as far as I known, but is there any thing on Elizabeth before she married Clark and did she marry him or just took his name as can not find any marriage for such, and where did you see that photo of them all, would love to see it
thank you for all that you have given me
thank you
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I think that it's very likely that they were not legally married. There is a date given on one of the trees for a marriage in Victoria in 1887 but I cannot find it and the tree does not give any details of where they got this from.
I have copied the photos and will PM them to you (anyone else interested is welcome to ask :)). They are a bit large to put on the thread. According to the tree the photos were in the Rockhampton Morning Bulletin. I have looked on TROVE and cannot find the photos but TROVE only goes up to 1954 for that newspaper.
There is a Historical Society in Rockhampton and they also have a facebook page. Perhaps someone there may be able to track down the photos as it would be interesting to see what else was written.
http://www.historyqueensland.org.au/members/rockhampton-district-historical-society-inc/
https://www.facebook.com/rockhamptonanddistricthistoricalsociety/
Judith
Edit to add: I don't think I can PM the photos. PM your email address tome and I'll send them that way.
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Hi
I agree with Judith, there was not a marriage in Victoria.
staplehouse, if you were to write a timeline, it may help to clarify Charles CLARKE's movements and relationships.
As a start,
1889 the last CLARKE child for Emily nee THOMPSON, was born.
1889 9th July , newspaper report informs us Charles CLARKE leaves Melbourne with a 25 year old woman.
{this is approximately the correct age for Elizabeth BAIRD, born Inglewood}
1889 October,newspaper report informs us Charles is store owner Taroom.
The above 1889 sightings do not at all suggest a marriage in Victoria.
Sue
EDIT, I left out the word NOT in my type up :o
Makes more sense now. :-[
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Marriage -or alliance? ;D Judith
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here I go again, have been trying to find out who Ellen Annie Mary Clarke who was born in new Zealand in 1902 and died in 1975 in Grenfell new south wales on the 6 feb, who she married she had four boys, have been in touch with Grenfell cemetery but she is not on any records there, please can you tell me where to go to find this information and to obtain her death cert, I have look on bdm but nothing there wait reply thankyou once again
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From nsw bdm
6 feb 1975
CLARKE Ellen Mary Anne, father Charles, mother Ethemia, reg 3910/1975
Ros
You can get a transcription which is cheaper. http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx#transcription
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From ryerson index there is a death notice in the Sydney Moring Herald 7 Feb 1975. I can look this up for you later today.
Ros
Best I can do on phone
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Mmm...
No mention of 4 sons there ???
Sue
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he also had another woman , Elizabeth Baird who he did not marry but had four sons,
he also married a Euphemia Ross in New Zealand in 1901 and had one daughter Nell
as stated previous died in 1911
Confusing with Nell, and this Ellen ::)
Sue
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this has been most helpful, a great service have ordered the death cert so will give some light I hope, the Aunt Lillian is her sister and Paul is one of the four sons that she had, but interesting is that she still had her maiden name, so that is something to look for later, who was or are the fathers of the four sons
thank you
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There are electoral roll listings for Ellen Mary Anne CLARKE in NSW from at least 1958.
Another is listed at the same address.
I will PM.
Sue
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with a bit of digging here and there have found out that Charles Clarke had left Taroom on the 29 august 1900, he then went to New Zealand is there any record of him leaving on a ship to New Zealand and if he had any one with him
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Related thread: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=766806.0
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hi
where do I go to look for more information on the following attachment regarding Charles Clarke of Taroom
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There doesn't seem to be an attachment. ???
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as I can not seem to be able to get the attachment to stay what I am wanting to find out is where do I go to find information on this,
this appear on trove in the Richmond river express casion Kyogle advertiser, dated Friday 23 December 1921 under the title Unclaim Money
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This one ... http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article123384251 ?
Ros
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yes the is the correct one Ros
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another question, how do I go about getting records for the Brittiana Lodge GUOOF as Charles Clarke was elected the head on the 5th July 1881 at the Freemasons Hotel Fritzroy
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Possibly here
http://archivescollection.anu.edu.au/index.php/grand-united-order-of-oddfellows
Ros
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just trying to find some connection of Elizabeth baird and Charles Clarke,
Elizabeth was born in 1863 at Inglewood Victoria, just wanting to find out if she was married to anyone before she met Charles before they ran away in 1889 to taroom
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Is this a possibility? A little problem with police in 1887
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article7937432
Ros
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well this could be as she was always dress well and had plenty of jewellery, is there any other information on this case and would there still be record of this in the archives somewhere, I have look on the net and see that it would have been only about 11 miles from the Newport Hotel where Charles Clarke owned , this could be a reason why she ran off with him and just took his name as she had done it before , report it also mention a Caroline Stevenson would this be a sister to Frederick
by the way thank you so very much so far for all the information that you have dug up on here it gives me the urge to go on searching when you have something to start with,
thank you
look forward to hearing from you in due course
Thomas
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Not much more info but another article ...
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article7931135
Ros
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thank you, what a woman she was
you did not say if these records would still available
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I'm hoping a Victorian expert will be along soon (I'm a NSW non-expert).
Here is the Victorian public records site - recently "upgraded and enhanced " so more impenetrable than it was. http://access.prov.vic.gov.au/
Usually there are Police Gazettes available on subscription sites (ancestry and FindMyPast) which describe people they are looking for and/or people they have apprehended, with a summary of their crimes. I'm not finding anything on ancestry and don't have a subscription to FindMyPast.
Ros
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with regard to Elizabeth Baird and her misfortune in the early days of her live, is there any thing on her sister Mary Lyle Baid, she later married Robertson and then Bolger
thank you
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Mary Lyle Bolger funeral in Qld in 1944
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article191531563
From Qld BDM https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/
Mary Lyle BOLGER, father Fergus Baird, mother Martha WADDELL
Ros
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In 1922 Mary Lyle BOLGER is named as widow and "inheritor" of estate of James Sidney Robertson
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article4702247
We should be able to find his will on the prov-vic website ... no it says he died intestate
Ros
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thank you, so nothing on her life in Victoria linking her to Elizabeth professional prior to 1889
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No I haven't found anything untoward about Mary ... the Elizabeth professional was just a wild stab.
I guess you have the marriage announcement of their parents
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article7146583
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A sad incident for Edward John BOLGER http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article176374810 (same address as with Mary Lyle on electoral rolls)
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while we are on this, do you have access to the ship that Fergus Francis Baird came out on from Scotland, as I have search and there is nothing, could he have used Francis
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just another question that I would like to ask
on Charles Clarke death certificate it give information given by his brother in law, D E Ross, which is Donald Ewen Ross who was born on the 12 Sept 1874 at Koriat Victoria and died in France on 20 JUly 1916, is there anything on Donald Ross as he was suppose to be a property owner in new south wales at time.
also where do I go to find the school that Charles Clarke attended in England
thank you
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A death notice say he was late of Dorrigo and Sydney
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15761111
Memoriam http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15794403
Have you read his service record?
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=8037708 or http://discoveringanzacs.naa.gov.au/browse/person/300541
I can't see a probate records for him at NSW state archives
Ros
edited to fix
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thank you for that one
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But here is a probate announcement so there must be a probate packet at NSW SRO.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article171850409
Oh that's right - there is a gap in the online indexes (indices) for probates between 1891 and 1927. I can look for his reference no on microfiche and hopefully photograph his probate packet if you are interested.
Ros
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yes please that will be great , thank you
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another puzzle has come to light, when Charles Clarke married in New Zealand to Euphemia Ross in 1901 he stated he was a grazier of Kaukapakapa, where do I go over there to get land records etc
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another puzzle has come to light, when Charles Clarke married in New Zealand to Euphemia Ross in 1901 he stated he was a grazier of Kaukapakapa, where do I go over there to get land records etc
Perhaps post a request on the New Zealand Board of Rootschat.
Be sure you link this thread.
just another question that I would like to ask
on Charles Clarke death certificate it give information given by his brother in law, D E Ross, which is Donald Ewen Ross who was born on the 12 Sept 1874 at Koriat Victoria and died in France on 20 JUly 1916, is there anything on Donald Ross as he was suppose to be a property owner in new south wales at time.
also where do I go to find the school that Charles Clarke attended in England
thank you
Alexander ROSS and his wife Mary (McGILLVERAY) had at least 10 children in Western Victoria, including Donald Ewen. (At Kirkstall, Reg 16709)
Sue
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wanting find out where do I go to get wills of Charles Clarke parents, Charles John and Angelina Clarke who died in England, as someone had left him money as report in a news paper article
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wanting find out where do I go to get wills of Charles Clarke parents, Charles John and Angelina Clarke who died in England, as someone had left him money as report in a news paper article
Hi
Some here may have ideas for you, but I think you might get help about it if you posted on the England Board.
The section called not specific to a county.
You would need to give dates and full names and a link to the news item that mentioned the inheritance.
Be sure to link this post too.
Perhaps someone there will advise you.
Sue
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thank you for that, but I do not known how to link that post to another article that is out of my
learning space
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Will indexes are here:
https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate
You need a death year:
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Debra :)
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If you can copy the relevant part of the newspaper report it would be helpful.
Death of an Angelina Maria CLARKE, nee EVERETT, 70, was registered in Wandsworth (London), Oct/Nov/Dec qr of 1894. Volume: 1d, p 322
13 Oct 1845 at St Mary, Battersea
Angelina Maria EVERETT, spinster m Charles John CLARKE, bachelor, victualler
Both were of full age and resident in Battersea.
Her father: William Everett, builder
His father: John Clarke, victualler
Witnesses: John CLARKE, Fanny SPENCER
in 1851 the couple are living with Charles' parents in Kennington - Charles jnr was 18 months old and there is no occupation listed for his father.
Charles is still with them in the 1871 census at 52 Church St, Chelsea
Charles Clarke 46, shoemaker, b Clapham
Angelina Clarke 48, b Brixton
Charles Clarke 21, shoemaker, b Kennington
Mary Clarke 13, b Battersea
Henry Clarke 10, b Waltham Grove
John Clarke 7, b Chelsea
In 1881 Angelina is a 'monthly nurse' with a Mr and Mrs WHITE in Battersea. She is described as married. (A monthly nurse was engaged for a period of time to look after a mother and a newborn)
I think this is her in 1891 recorded as 'Anan' CLARKE, b Brixton probably with her son-in-law and daughter Thomas and Mary HEWETT at Westbourne Terrace, Wandsworth. Again she is described as married but Charles is not with them.
I see a couple of deaths for 'Charles CLARKE' but not enough information to be sure which is the right one.
This MAY possibly be your Charles CLARKE at school; you man's mother was Angelina Maria, and his father in later census was a shoemaker; the age is not quite right either. ???
Admitted to St Michael's school Westminster, October 25, 1858
Charles CLARKE aged 8 and a half,
Parents: Charles and Maria, occ: shoemaker, residence 10 Hugh St Mews.
I cannot see either of your man's parents on the All England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
I think Sue is right - ask on the England board
Judith
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thank you for that, but I do not known how to link that post to another article that is out of my
learning space
Hi staplehouse.
Tip
Look to the very top of your screen left and see address bar (probably currently showing the words rootschat.com .........................
Hover your mouse over it and right click on mouse so the address turns blue.
On your keyboard press and hold control key (Ctrl)
at the same time click letter c on keyboard.
Now move off to where you want the address (link to be placed)
In the correct place (say in a post on the English board)
On your keyboard press and hold control key (Ctrl)
at the same time click letter v on keyboard.
Now this thread is linked to the new post
;D
ADDING
The same procedure applies to the news item.
Open it in the newspaper.
Then follow the above directions.
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Hello all, We have updated the Trove Lists on Charles Clarke; including items on PapersPast, linked. We have also included the text of items from California papers from when he was in Petaluma, after leaving Auckland. They are not linked but are all from newspapers.com.
Please find an Index page for the CC Lists here:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/list?id=139930
CC Trackers.