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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Leicestershire => England => Leicestershire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Steve C on Monday 27 February 17 16:01 GMT (UK)
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Just wondering if anyone who has access to burial records ( eg Gilroes etc ) who could kindly carry out a Look Up for me please.
After ages and ages of searching I think I may have found an ancestor of mine. Rose Ella Hall was born circa 1895. I found her on the 1911 census but struggled to find a mention of her after this time.
Eventually I found a marriage of Rosetta Hall to Charles B C Hayes in the September quarter of 1920 in Leicester but the trail went cold again until I stumbled across a death for Rosetta Hayes aged 97 in Leicester in the September quarter of 1993. I have not been able substantiate the marriage but the death details regarding ages and dates do tie in with my ancestor.
Unfortunately I am not in a position financially to order a marriage certificate so I was hoping a burial Look Up may help decide whether Rosetta Hayes was actually Rose Ella Hall.
Many thanks in anticipation for all offers of help and assistance. ;)
Steve
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Rosetta Hall who married Charles B C Hayes in 1920 was age 24 - spinster - father William Hall- Engineers fitter - Married St Peters, Leicester
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Hi
Couple of things
Rosetta Hayes full birthyear was 11.6.1896 as per death reg
Rose Ella Hayes birth was registered in the December qtr 1895
1993 death - how can you be sure she was buried and not cremated?
The Leicester RD covered a number of areas - without knowing her address makes it difficult to find the cemetary/crematorium as does not knowing her exact death date. There is a probate entry for her showing she died 6.7.1993 and address as Groby Lodge Groby Rd Leics
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GRO birth check shows her mmn was Morris
1901 entry shows parents as John & Sarah E. Entry has her as Rosella aged 5
RG13 Piece 2988 Folio 151 Page 27
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John Hall was previously married to Mary Ann
Deaths March qtr 1893
Mary Ann Hall 30 Leicester 7a 124
1891 entry - All shown as b Leics except Mary Ann
John Hall 28
Mary Ann 28 b Barrow on Soar Leics
John W 8
Lilly E 6
Arthur 4
Emily 1
RG12 Piece 2533 Folio 52 Page 11
1901 - all b Leics except Sarah
John Hall 38
Sarah E Hall 45 b Glapyjorn Northants
John W Hall 17
Lily Hall 15
Arthur Hall 13
George H Hall 7
Rosella Hall 5
Ethel E Hall 2
William Hall 1
John married Sarah E Green 1894 - given her age she was probably married previously hence the mmn of Morris on Rose Ella's birth reg
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Have you investigated this marriage?
Marriages December qtr 1913
Rose E Hall/William L Blackwell Leicester 7a 364
Freebmd shows 2 births - William 1914 and Barbara 1917
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I'd happily look up the grave details for you. but the Gilroes disc doesn't go up to the 1990s, I'm afraid.
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Have you investigated this marriage?
Marriages December qtr 1913
Rose E Hall/William L Blackwell Leicester 7a 364
Freebmd shows 2 births - William 1914 and Barbara 1917
If this is your Rose Ella then sadly William died aged 12 hours and was buried at Welford Road cemetery on 1 April 1914 in plot P683. There are a total of 62 babies/infants in that plot, most of which were stillborn or no more than a few days old. How sad.
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If the 1913 marriage is correct - William Leonard Blackwell was b 1893 and died 11.9.1973 Market Harborough RD Address 11 Avery Close Lutterworth. He left a will
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
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Thank you very much indeed rosie99, CaroleW, Annie65115 and Jomot for your replies ;D
I think CaroleW has supplied enough information to include exact dates to suggest that Rose Ella Hall is not Rosetta Hall who married Charles B C Hayes. The Rose E Hall marrying William E Blackwell in Leicester in the December quarter of 1913 as per CaroleW`s reply at 16.55 seems the most realistic option.
If this is the correct marriage then Jomot`s reply is very poignant.
In 1911 Rose Ella Hall was living in Bardolph Street in Leicester. Would this help narrow down the search for a church and help in the request for a marriage Look Up :-\
Many sincere thanks once again rosie99, CaroleW, Annie65115 and Jomot. Your help and interest in my post is greatly appreciated.
Steve
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1 Dec 1913 Parish Church Belgrave
William Loft Blackwell 23 Bachelor Toolmaker of Kirk House, Church Rd. Father William Blackwell (dec'd) Engine Driver
Rose Ella Hall 18 Spinster Clerk of Kirk House, Church Rd. Father John Hall Hosiery Hand
Both signed
Wit: Albert Joyce, Louisa Haltham
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I`m over the moon Jomot, can`t thank you enough ;D ;D
I`ve been searching ages and ages as per my original post. I was very young when my Grandfather passed away in the early 1960s and I`ve been informed by family elders that he was apparently closer to Rose Ella in comparison to other siblings. Hence my quest. :-[
Many many thanks again Jomot
Steve
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Bit of a longshot here. Freebmd shows William Loft Blackwell was b 1887
Deaths
William L Blackwell aged 75 (1887) September 1962 Weymouth Vol 7c Pge 663
Rose E Blackwell 72 (1895) December 1967 Weymouth Vol 7c Pge 199
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Thanks for coming back CaroleW with that information ;D
I`ve got the bug again and have not stopped researching the free sites for information since your earlier posts together with those of rosie99, Annie65115 and Jomo.
I like your latest suggestion (as I was struggling to find a death for Rose Ella in Leicestershire) but this would slightly contradict your earlier post regarding a death for William in 1973 living in Avery Close Lutterworth and your link to the will :-\
I did however and rather sadly if proved correct find a death for Barbara Blackwell in the March quarter of 1928 aged 11. The age and dates match but I am only speculating at present.
I`ll keep plodding on to see if anything else comes to light but please revisit this thread if you have any further details or suggestions. All help and assistance is greatly appreciated. ;)
Steve
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At the time I posted that 1973 death - I thought William would be a similar age to Rose and looked for William L Blackwell births around 1892-1895 and found a couple of William Leonard's
When looking for a death for Rose - the only match I found at that time was in Dorset so dismissed it.
When the 1913 marriage details showed his middle name as Loft I started looking again and found that death in Dorset so started wondering if it was the same couple
Are they still in Leics on the 1939 register?
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I did however and rather sadly if proved correct find a death for Barbara Blackwell in the March quarter of 1928 aged 11. The age and dates match but I am only speculating at present.
This Barbara was buried at Oadby on 26 Jan 1928, aged 11. No parents names given unfortunately. I think the address is Queen Street. Unusually the cause of death has been given too - Uraemia.
Are they still in Leics on the 1939 register?
I cant find them together anywhere. The free index shows a William Blackwell in Weymouth with a DoB of 08 Jan 1889, so although the year is out the month fits with the Jan-Mar birth registration of William Loft Blackwell. Struggling to find Rose though :-\
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Thanks very much CaroleW and Jomot for your continued help and interest. ;D
I must admit I burnt a little bit of midnight oil last night trying to find William and Rose Ella Blackwell but without success. :(
I did earlier find a death for a Barbara Blackwell in the Leicester area but I think I can now dismiss that one thanks to the reply from Jomot. ;)
I also came up with the same results when carrying out a basic search of the 1939 register.
Perhaps I need to trawl through some more of the free sites to see if anything shows up, I`ll try the LDS site first and will report back if I find anything worthy of a mention or request for help ;) :-[
Many sincere thanks again CaroleW and Jomot, your replies and help are greatly appreciated.
Steve
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Unfortunately - neither of those 2 Dorset deaths appear on the Probate register so no new info there
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Breakthrough!!
Rose Ella Blackwell aged 72 cremated 23.11.1967 Weymouth Crematorium
Nothing for William - sending you a pm