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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: cupcake on Monday 27 February 17 16:50 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for any information on John FLEMING b. 1868 Dumfries.
The information I have is his he was born 1868 – Dumfries, parents – George FLEMING & Janet JOHNSTONE. John died Carlisle June 1921. Did John marry?
There is a Joseph FLEMING b. England aged 7 on the 1891 census, Govan, Glasgow. Think he could be John's son.
Any information would be very much appreciated.
cupcake
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John died Carlisle June 1921. Did John marry?
Have you looked for him on the 1911 English & Scottish census to check his marital status?
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The 1911 has a possible entry living in Carlisle.
1911 lookups are not allowed by Rootschat
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John died Carlisle June 1921. Did John marry?
Have you looked for him on the 1911 English & Scottish census to check his marital status?
No, I haven't looked for him on the 1911 census.Will do though.
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The 1911 has a possible entry living in Carlisle.
1911 lookups are not allowed by Rootschat
Thank you for that, at least I know there is a possible John living in Carlisle in 1911.
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Had a look at the 1911 this could be him - his age and birth year are a year out, but he was born at Lochmaben, Scotland and, his father was a painter.
John Fleming 42 Painter Cumberland 1869 Lochmaben, Scotland
ADD probably didn't look at the correct site as this one didn't give his marital status.
Thank you.
cupcake
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See freebmd - marriage 1895 in Carlisle so check the 1901 for him
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See freebmd - marriage 1895 in Carlisle so check the 1901 for him
He seems to be on the 1901 census - again his age and year are a year out.
John Fleming 34 Painter House Cumberland 1867 Dumfrieshire, Scotland
Thank you.
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See freebmd - marriage 1895 in Carlisle so check the 1901 for him
Yes, saw the marriage.
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Not sure if you've seen these
Grace Summers Challenger
Birth Date: 4 Dec 1874 Old Monkland,Lanark,Scotland
Father: William Challenger Mother: Margaret Smart
Georgina Fleming
Birth Date: 17 Nov 1895
Baptism Date: 9 Nov 1896 Upperby, Cumberland, England
Father: John Fleming Mother: Grace Summers
GRO indexes now provide a mother's maiden name
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
Georgina FLEMING mmn CHALLENGER
1895 D Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 10B Page 512
Fred FLEMING mmn CHALLENGER
1898 S Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 10B Page 561
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Not sure if you've seen these
Grace Summers Challenger
Birth Date: 4 Dec 1874 Old Monkland,Lanark,Scotland
Father: William Challenger Mother: Margaret Smart
Georgina Fleming
Birth Date: 17 Nov 1895
Baptism Date: 9 Nov 1896 Upperby, Cumberland, England
Father: John Fleming Mother: Grace Summers
GRO indexes now provide a mother's maiden name
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
Georgina FLEMING mmn CHALLENGER
1895 D Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 10B Page 512
Fred FLEMING mmn CHALLENGER
1898 S Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 10B Page 561
No, I hadn't seen these. Something for me to study. I also didn't know GRO indexes now provide a mother's maiden name.
Many thanks
cupcake
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In 1891 John FLEMMIN age 26 Lochmaben, Scotland occ Painter
lodging with widowed Grace CHALLENGER age 50 a Lodging House Keeper
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4NY7-K6Z
RG12; Piece: 4288; Folio: 42; Page: 5
Grace Summers Fleming widow of 55 Vasey Crescent Carlisle
died 6 Aug 1945 Probate 19 Nov 1945 to Georgina Robinson
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I also didn't know GRO indexes now provide a mother's maiden name.
Fairly new - but ever so helpful!!
Here's the link
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
If you have purchased certs online and created a login etc - that's what you need to use. If not, you will need to register which is free
It also gives you ages at death for deaths pre-1860's etc
Use the info found on freebmd to check for mmn or age at death
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There's also this birth entry you may want to check
may relate to the Grace that married John Fleming
Grace Somers Challenger 1877 Oct-Nov-Dec Carlisle Cumberland Volume: 10b Page: 477
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In 1891 John FLEMMIN age 26 Lochmaben, Scotland occ Painter
lodging with widowed Grace CHALLENGER age 50 a Lodging House Keeper
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4NY7-K6Z
RG12; Piece: 4288; Folio: 42; Page: 5
Grace Summers Fleming widow of 55 Vasey Crescent Carlisle
died 6 Aug 1945 Probate 19 Nov 1945 to Georgina Robinson
Thank you. This information is very much appreciated :D. It is all coming together.
What would I do without all you wonderful Rootschatter's help.
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I also didn't know GRO indexes now provide a mother's maiden name.
Fairly new - but ever so helpful!!
Here's the link
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
If you have purchased certs online and created a login etc - that's what you need to use. If not, you will need to register which is free
It also gives you ages at death for deaths pre-1860's etc
Use the info found on freebmd to check for mmn or age at death
Thank you for all this information.
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There's also this birth entry you may want to check
may relate to the Grace that married John Fleming
Grace Somers Challenger 1877 Oct-Nov-Dec Carlisle Cumberland Volume: 10b Page: 477
Will do.
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Checked on GRO and there is one death for a John FLEMING June 1921. So, I will order it,soon.
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Grace Somers Challenger 1877 Oct-Nov-Dec Carlisle Cumberland Volume: 10b Page: 477
For info.
1901 c John & Grace had a daughter Euphenia Fleming born c1901
her middle name Galloway
mmn transcribed as CHALARYER on GRO
This might be John's wife & daughter/s using free search of 1939 Register Carlisle
surname Fleming/Flemming
Summer G Flemming 1877
Georgina Robinson (Flemming) 1896 (See reply #11)
Also a
Olive Brewster (Fleming) 1918
1918 Carlisle
Olive Fleming mmn Challenger
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Thank you kindly for all this information. It will keep me busy for a while.
cupcake