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Title: John FLEMING
Post by: cupcake on Monday 27 February 17 16:50 GMT (UK)
I am looking for any information on John FLEMING b. 1868 Dumfries.

The information I have is his he was born 1868 – Dumfries, parents – George FLEMING  & Janet JOHNSTONE. John died Carlisle June 1921. Did John marry?

There is a Joseph FLEMING b. England aged 7  on the 1891 census, Govan, Glasgow. Think he could be John's son.
 
Any information would be very much appreciated.

cupcake
Title: Re: John FLEMING
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 February 17 17:10 GMT (UK)
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John died Carlisle June 1921. Did John marry?

Have you looked for him on the 1911 English & Scottish census to check his marital status?
Title: Re: John FLEMING
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 February 17 17:14 GMT (UK)
The 1911 has a possible entry living in Carlisle.

1911 lookups are not allowed by Rootschat
Title: Re: John FLEMING
Post by: cupcake on Monday 27 February 17 17:19 GMT (UK)
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John died Carlisle June 1921. Did John marry?

Have you looked for him on the 1911 English & Scottish census to check his marital status?

No, I haven't looked for him on the 1911 census.Will do though.
Title: Re: John FLEMING
Post by: cupcake on Monday 27 February 17 17:22 GMT (UK)
The 1911 has a possible entry living in Carlisle.

1911 lookups are not allowed by Rootschat

Thank you for that, at least I know there is a possible John living in Carlisle in 1911.
 
Title: Re: John FLEMING
Post by: cupcake on Monday 27 February 17 17:39 GMT (UK)
Had a look at the 1911 this could be him - his age and birth year are a year out, but he was born at Lochmaben, Scotland and, his father was a painter.

John   Fleming   42   Painter   Cumberland   1869   Lochmaben, Scotland

ADD   probably didn't look at the correct site as this one didn't give his marital status.

Thank you.

cupcake
Title: Re: John FLEMING
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 February 17 17:42 GMT (UK)
See freebmd - marriage 1895 in Carlisle so check the 1901 for him
Title: Re: John FLEMING
Post by: cupcake on Monday 27 February 17 18:06 GMT (UK)
See freebmd - marriage 1895 in Carlisle so check the 1901 for him

He seems to be on the 1901 census - again his age and year are a year out.

John   Fleming   34   Painter House   Cumberland   1867   Dumfrieshire, Scotland

Thank you.
Title: Re: John FLEMING
Post by: cupcake on Monday 27 February 17 18:11 GMT (UK)
See freebmd - marriage 1895 in Carlisle so check the 1901 for him

Yes, saw the marriage.
Title: Re: John FLEMING
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 27 February 17 18:22 GMT (UK)
Not sure if you've seen these

Grace Summers Challenger
Birth Date:   4 Dec 1874 Old Monkland,Lanark,Scotland
Father:   William Challenger  Mother:   Margaret Smart

Georgina Fleming
Birth Date:   17 Nov 1895
Baptism Date:   9 Nov 1896 Upperby, Cumberland, England
Father:   John Fleming   Mother:   Grace Summers

GRO indexes now provide a mother's maiden name
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

Georgina FLEMING mmn CHALLENGER     
1895  D Quarter in CARLISLE  Volume 10B  Page 512   

Fred FLEMING mmn   CHALLENGER    
1898  S Quarter in CARLISLE  Volume 10B  Page 561   




Title: Re: John FLEMING
Post by: cupcake on Monday 27 February 17 18:52 GMT (UK)
Not sure if you've seen these

Grace Summers Challenger
Birth Date:   4 Dec 1874 Old Monkland,Lanark,Scotland
Father:   William Challenger  Mother:   Margaret Smart

Georgina Fleming
Birth Date:   17 Nov 1895
Baptism Date:   9 Nov 1896 Upperby, Cumberland, England
Father:   John Fleming   Mother:   Grace Summers

GRO indexes now provide a mother's maiden name
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

Georgina FLEMING mmn CHALLENGER     
1895  D Quarter in CARLISLE  Volume 10B  Page 512   

Fred FLEMING mmn   CHALLENGER    
1898  S Quarter in CARLISLE  Volume 10B  Page 561

No, I hadn't seen these. Something for me to study. I also didn't know GRO indexes now provide a mother's maiden name.

Many thanks

cupcake
Title: Re: John FLEMING
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 27 February 17 18:59 GMT (UK)
In 1891 John FLEMMIN age 26 Lochmaben, Scotland occ Painter
lodging with widowed Grace CHALLENGER age 50 a Lodging House Keeper
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4NY7-K6Z
 RG12; Piece: 4288; Folio: 42; Page: 5

Grace Summers Fleming widow of 55 Vasey Crescent Carlisle
died 6 Aug 1945 Probate 19 Nov 1945 to Georgina Robinson

Title: Re: John FLEMING
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 February 17 19:00 GMT (UK)
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I also didn't know GRO indexes now provide a mother's maiden name.

Fairly new - but ever so helpful!!

Here's the link

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

If you have purchased certs online and created a login etc - that's what you need to use.  If not, you will need to register which is free

It also gives you ages at death for deaths pre-1860's etc

Use the info found on freebmd to check for mmn or age at death
Title: Re: John FLEMING
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 27 February 17 19:08 GMT (UK)
There's also this birth entry you may want to check

may relate to the Grace that married John Fleming

Grace Somers Challenger 1877 Oct-Nov-Dec Carlisle Cumberland Volume:   10b Page:   477
Title: Re: John FLEMING
Post by: cupcake on Monday 27 February 17 19:13 GMT (UK)
In 1891 John FLEMMIN age 26 Lochmaben, Scotland occ Painter
lodging with widowed Grace CHALLENGER age 50 a Lodging House Keeper
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4NY7-K6Z
 RG12; Piece: 4288; Folio: 42; Page: 5

Grace Summers Fleming widow of 55 Vasey Crescent Carlisle
died 6 Aug 1945 Probate 19 Nov 1945 to Georgina Robinson

Thank you. This information is very much appreciated :D. It is all coming together.

What would I do without all you wonderful Rootschatter's help.
Title: Re: John FLEMING
Post by: cupcake on Monday 27 February 17 19:19 GMT (UK)
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I also didn't know GRO indexes now provide a mother's maiden name.

Fairly new - but ever so helpful!!

Here's the link

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

If you have purchased certs online and created a login etc - that's what you need to use.  If not, you will need to register which is free

It also gives you ages at death for deaths pre-1860's etc

Use the info found on freebmd to check for mmn or age at death

Thank you for all this information.
Title: Re: John FLEMING
Post by: cupcake on Monday 27 February 17 19:20 GMT (UK)
There's also this birth entry you may want to check

may relate to the Grace that married John Fleming

Grace Somers Challenger 1877 Oct-Nov-Dec Carlisle Cumberland Volume:   10b Page:   477

Will do.
Title: Re: John FLEMING
Post by: cupcake on Tuesday 28 February 17 06:57 GMT (UK)
 Checked on GRO and there is one death for a John FLEMING June 1921. So, I will order it,soon.
Title: Re: John FLEMING
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 28 February 17 15:07 GMT (UK)

Grace Somers Challenger 1877 Oct-Nov-Dec Carlisle Cumberland Volume:   10b Page:   477

For info.
1901 c John & Grace had a daughter Euphenia  Fleming born c1901
her middle name Galloway
mmn transcribed as CHALARYER on GRO

This might be John's wife & daughter/s using free search of 1939 Register Carlisle
surname Fleming/Flemming

Summer G Flemming 1877
Georgina Robinson (Flemming) 1896  (See reply #11)

Also a

Olive Brewster (Fleming) 1918

1918 Carlisle
Olive Fleming mmn Challenger
Title: Re: John FLEMING
Post by: cupcake on Tuesday 28 February 17 15:25 GMT (UK)
Thank you kindly for all this information. It will keep me busy for a while.

cupcake