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Research in Other Countries => Other Countries => Topic started by: Jules1066 on Monday 27 February 17 16:51 GMT (UK)
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Mary Louisa Morley born 1885 Malta. Who are your parents?
I'm trying to link Mary Louisa Morley to Rachel Loughry b 1857 Devonport and Edward Morley b Titchfield 1849 who married in Malta 1857. I don't have ML birth certificate.
They had 2 daughters and son listed in 1891 and 1901 census when Edward, a Corporal in RA, was stationed in Scotland and UK, but Mary Louisa not listed, which makes me think they are not here family.
But the fact that Their children were born in Malta, Gibraltar and England makes me think there could be a link.
The 1911 Census states they had 4 children of which 3 survived. Either one of the children listed earlier in the census returns died or this is the wrong Morley family.
ML's family had connections to Ireland ;Loughry is Irish name, RA were recruiters in Lisburn)....or am Clutching at straws so to speak. I need some hard evidence.
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who married in Malta 1857
I suspect this is a typo
What fathers name does Mary Louisa give on her marriage cert?
What documentation/records do you have to show she was born in Malta?
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I think it is meant to read
Rachel Loughry b 1857 Devonport and Edward Morley b Titchfield 1849 who married in Malta 1857. ;)
Where do you have Mary Louisa on census so we can see who you are referring to
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Rachel was born 1857 and Edward 1849 so could not have married in 1857
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You are right Carole - I'm confused ;D I think it should be 1877 not 57 :)
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I wasn't sure whether it was 1875 (transposed 7 & 5) or 1877. Can't be 1887 if Mary L was born 1885
I can't see a census entry for her 1891/1901
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The GRO Chaplains Returns show marriage details as follows (NB not cross-indexed in these registers):
Edward Morley Malta 1875-6 p.897
Rachel Loughrey Malta 1875-6 p.897
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In 1891 (Edinburgh) Edward & Rach(a)el Morley's children are - as transcribed:
Elizabeth F 11 b England
Lily Jane 7 b England
Albert Edward 5 b England
1901 (Hampshire) shows only 2 Morley children with their parents:
Elizth. Rhoda F, 20 b Malta (Army birth indexed as Elizabeth Rowe F Morley, Malta 1879-80)
Lily Jane 17 b Gibraltar (Army birth indexed as Lily Jane Morley, Gibraltar 1883)
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Edward Morley's military service record (Royal Artillery) names only the three children:
Elizabeth Rhoda Fanny, 17 Apr '80
Lily Jane, 25 July '83
Albert Edward Charles, 30 Nov '85.
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Given Mary L is shown as born 1885 - she may have been a bit of a tight squeeze between Albert & Lily
What intrigues me is where is the proof she was born Malta? I can't find an 1891/1901 entry for her
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No, we haven't been told enough about Mary Louisa to help find her parents.
But Edward and Rachael do not appear to be them! Unless she was e.g. a twin of Albert who died at birth, but Jules' post suggests she's not a name on an infant gravestone but somebody who one would expect to find in a census.
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Thanks all
Afraid I typed the original message using my phone, so apologies for the marriage date typ….should 1876…..
Edward MORLEY, bachelor, from Hampshire, the son of Thomas and Eliza Morley, Corporal, 12th Brigade, Royal Artillery, married 4th October 1876, to Rachael LOUGHREY, spinster, of Devonport, the daughter of Samuel and Jessie Loughrey
http://www.maltafamilyhistory.com
HOWEVER, I think we’re all coming to the same conclusion, particularly given the information you’ve provided contained in the army service record of Edward.
I can provide the following information on Mary Louisa Morley born 1885 Malta:
Albert B Ainsworth BIRTH 23 APR 1884 • Portsmouth, Hampshire
DEATH 20 MAY 1956 • Isle-of-Wight married Mary Louise Morley in July 1909 in Portsmouth.
The 1911 census shows Mary Louise/(a) place of birth Sen Glea, Malta, 1885
I think the only way to prove for certain who her father is to order the birth certificate/marriage certificate.
Jules
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I can provide the following information on Mary Louisa Morley born 1885 Malta:
Albert B Ainsworth BIRTH 23 APR 1884 • Portsmouth, Hampshire
DEATH 20 MAY 1956 • Isle-of-Wight married Mary Louise Morley in July 1909 in Portsmouth.
The 1911 census shows Mary Louise/(a) place of birth Sen Glea, Malta, 1885
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I think the only way to prove for certain who her father is to order the birth certificate/marriage certificate.
Jules
Her husband appears to be Alfred, rather than Albert - Alfred Burt Ainsworth at his birth reg (Jun qtr 1885 rather than 1884).
Their first child appears to have been well on the way at the time of marriage:
Alfred William George Ainsworth, mmn Morley, Dec qtr 1909 Portsmouth.
I agree you should get her marriage cert. You mention also her birth cert, but have you found a British overseas or Maltese registration for it?
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In terms of her Maltese Birth certificate, it all depends if it exists….I understand registration with British Consul was voluntary. If it was recorded by an English Chaplain the record my have been archived in London I believe.
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Probate for her husband shows him as Albert Burt Ainsworth - otherwise Alfred Burt Ainsworth and probate was granted to Edward Ainsworth - police sergeant and Dudley Harold Cooke Brewery transport foreman
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I can provide the following information on Mary Louisa Morley born 1885 Malta:
The 1911 census shows Mary Louise/(a) place of birth Sen Glea, Malta, 1885
I think the only way to prove for certain who her father is to order the birth certificate/marriage certificate.
Jules
I think you have the wrong year for her birth ? I'm not seeing 1885 in 1911 and this looks like her death registration giving a birthdate of 19 Jun 1892 : Mary Louisa Ainsworth b 19 Jun 1892 d Dec 1970 Isle of Wight 6b 2403.
Or am I having a senior moment ? ::)
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Well spotted Christine! Likewise I can't see anything to support 1885 as her birthdate ???
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Without a marriage certificate to identify Mary Louise's father this would be clutching at straws but there is a family on the 1911 census in Portsmouth which may be of interest . I can't give the details because of copyright but suggest a search for Morley keyword Malta and then look at the family in Portsmouth .
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Thank you all. Again!
The original assumption was she was born around 1885 and for some reason I didn't check it again against the 1911 census to update family tree details. Why I don't know!
It would explain why I can't find her in 1891 census. So I'm very grateful this mistake has been corrected.
Im working off my phone again and can't check who it was that had info on children from Edward Morley army service record? What was the date this info was provided?
J
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Yes I have all the info on Portsmouth family.
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The collective research power of this group is to be admired. The family on 1911 census is quite possibly the right one. Refers to two children and Mary Louisa could be one of them. I will place a look up request on Hampshire board . The marriage details would be in the registers. J