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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Teshhi on Wednesday 01 March 17 20:55 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I am looking for some information on my great grandfather John Anderson.
I have acquired a copy of John's marriage certificate as well as his daughter's (my grandmother's) birth certificate.
This has provided me with the following information:
John Anderson son of George Weir Anderson married Sarah Nimmer Hood Stewart on the 5th of October 1939 in the District of Blythswood in the Burgh of Glasgow. He was 27 years old at the time. John's profession was listed as 'Leading aircraftsmen, Royal Air Force' and his usual residence was listed as 'Royal Air Force Station, Montrose'.
On the 10th of September 1944 John and Sarah had a baby who they named Doreen Anderson. At this time, John's occupation was listed as a 'Sergeant, Royal Air Force' and his usual residence was listed as '169 Shamrock Street, Glasgow', which I believe were barracks.
I am particularly interested in finding out when/where John was born and when/where he passed away. I would like to request John's service records but do not have a service number for John.
Unfortunately, neither my great grandparents or grandparents are living and my mum has no information to assist us.
Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
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Do you know when and where Sarah died?
What sites have you used to try and find more information?
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If he was 27 in 1939 at time of marriage then he should be born in 1911 or 1912.
However, there is this birth for consideration:
John Weir Anderson 1913 456/28 Scoonie Fife (from Scotlandspeople)
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These are possible births for his Father (from Scotlandspeople)
George Weir Anderson 1889 152/33 Enzie
George Weir Anderson 1889 143/10 Speymouth
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This information was given by a previous search on a different website :
George W. Anderson and Jean Weir married 27 Oct 1910 in Blythswood Glasgow. He was 21, the son of John and Margaret (Murray) Anderson. George Weir Anderson was born 15 Jun 1889 in Enzie, Banffshire, Scotland. He died 4 Aug 1944, Chicago, IL. He may have left a will that would prove John's relationship.
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This is from Ancestry Illinois deaths:
George W . Anderson born 15th June 1889 at Elgin, Scotland
Died 1st August 1944 at Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Buried 4th August 1944 in Oakwoods Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Occupation ; Production Manager
Father Name: John Anderson Father Birth Place: Scotland
Mother Name: Margaret Murray
Spouse Name: Lillian
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According to his naturalisation records George arrived in USA in 1918 and applied on 13th January 1942.
George married Lillian on June 19th 1924. She was born in Chicago on January 7th 1898
He has a son John, living in Scotland, born March 3rd 1910 in Canada (and daughter Constance born 1930).
So either the wrong man, or he has his son's place and date of birth wrong.
Added:
George W and Lillian M Anderson are shown on 1930 census in Chicago, claims arrived USA in 1916.
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Hi Chempat,
Thank you for you all your very helpful replies.
Having looked at John and Sarah's marriage certificate, I can see that John's mother is Jean Weir.
You've given me a lot to go on and I'm starting to put together a family tree to collate all the information I've gathered.
Thank you again :)
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Scotlandspeople has this death, if you want to apply for more information:
John Weir Anderson died age 86 in 1999 at Buckhaven 424/237 (or apply for that birth certificate?)
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Just for information scotlandspeople has Sarah Nimmer Hood Stewart born 1917 in Milton.
Dies 1968 age 51 in Glasgow.
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Hi,
Just a little update. I've reviewed the birth certificate for John Weir Anderson 1913 456/28 Scoonie Fife (from Scotlandspeople). This John's father's name is William John Anderson and his mother is Euphemia Melville Anderson, so I get the feeling it's not the John I'm looking for.
I have found a marriage certificate for George W Anderson. This is more difficult to read but it looks like he married a Jane Weir in 1910. I'm struggling to read the name of George's mother, it looks like it may read as 'Maggie Anderson' and I can't make out her maiden name at all.
I'm trying to figure out the discrepancies as best as I can.
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Well, George did claim his son was born in 1910 in Canada (seems unlikely but who knows) and if it is the correct George.
Also, the date of birth was before the marriage to Jean.....
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Have you found George and Jean on 1911 census Scotland - need credits to view.
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Good morning,
I've been looking at the 1911 census this morning and have found two George W Andersons, both of whom were 21 at the time. Entering the forename "Jean" as another person living at the address bared no results so I'll have to look into these a little further. I'm currently on my mobile and will take a closer look when I'm in front of a computer. Thanks!
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I have managed to find George and Jean living together as a married couple on the 1911 census. The census states that one child was born alive to the couple and has a dash in the next box along with the heading still living. To me this would suggest that a child may have been born and passed away? Or could it relate to John, as I suspect he may have been born in 1911 or 1912?
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It cannot relate to any child born after the census date as it was not updated in the future (unless Scotland behaved very differently to England and Wales)
There are 3 columns : Total born alive, Total still living, Total died, so there should be 3 'entries'.
Is one column blank?
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Hi,
There are two columns, the headings for these are 'children born alive' (in this case one) and 'children still living' (dash).
The other households listed on the census have number and name entries for the children for example; children born alive 6, children still living 5. The name of the five living children are then listed in the name and surname section.
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Teshhi, You say that you want to order John's service record, but do not have his service number.
Though it makes life easier if you have it, you do not need a service number to request a service record from the MOD, but you do require other information to identify the serviceman, generally date and place of birth.
https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records/apply-for-someone-elses-records
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George and Jean married 1910 Blythswood, Glasgow. You say you've found them on 1911 census - what district were they living in then?
John Anderson married Margaret (Maggie) Murray 19/6/1885 Enzie, Banff and son George Weir Anderson was indeed born 15/6/1889 but at Rathven, Enzie, Banff (not Elgin).
Annette
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John Anderson married Margaret (Maggie) Murray 19/6/1885 Enzie, Banff and son George Weir Anderson was indeed born 15/6/1889 but at Rathven, Enzie, Banff (not Elgin).
Annette
Annette,
That was info. given on Reply #5 from chempat, source was from Ancestry Illinois deaths.
Annie
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I have managed to find George and Jean living together as a married couple on the 1911 census. The census states that one child was born alive to the couple and has a dash in the next box along with the heading still living. To me this would suggest that a child may have been born and passed away? Or could it relate to John, as I suspect he may have been born in 1911 or 1912?
If John was born early 1911, it may well be referring to him but questionable unless the 'dash' is actually a faded 'tick' as a dash seems strange (not the norm) but neither would a tick be the norm :-\
Annie
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There were a lot of inconsistencies in the 1911 English census. What you see is the original form as filled out by the householder, and some misunderstood and misinterpreted the requirements/instructions. There are instances of strikethroughs due to errors (many of which can be a gold mine for reseachers).
I have not seen a 1911 Scottish census, but might this be the reason for the unexplained dash in this census entry?
There were numbers and other check marks written on the census sheets by officials counting and classifying occupations etc. In this example is the dash written by someone else, or the householder?
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Once again, thank you for all the helpful replies and suggestions! :)
Ruskie - Thank you for providing this information, once I've identified John's place and date of birth I'll request his service records from the MOD.
Annette - The 1911 Scottish census shows they were living in the Civil Parish and Parish Ward of Glasgow Fourth, Burgh Ward of Townhead, Parliamentary Burgh of Glasgow, Parliamentary Constituency of St Rollox.
I have attached an extract of the record in the hope that this might provide a little more clarity. Apologies for the attachment being somewhat lopsided, I didn't want to post the information of other households on the page.
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I read that as saying that they had one child which had died. Unfortunately there are 24 deaths of Anderson children under 1 year old in Glasgow in 1910/1911, and another 47 aged 1 year, so finding out which one it was would really be a task to undertake in the SP centre rather than online.
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I agree with Forfarian completely.
Annette
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Referring to new enquiry :- For Sale and Wanted Board.........
Is it worth contacting/hiring a professional genealogist? Has anyone done this?
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=831851.msg6963250
For background this is what was researched previously.
Sandra