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Title: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: Claveyminty on Wednesday 01 March 17 21:56 GMT (UK)
I know this is a long shot, but I don't have much info on my dads side of the family.

I remember as a kid my dad talking about Mitcheldean and Ross and his family being there.

I  don't have a lot of info and can't get anywhere with the census, so wondered if anyone had a clue....

No dates...Henry rogers (g.grandad) married lilian?
Had gwendoline mabel, Ernest, Donald, Jim, Grace and others

Gwendoline  married major clarke??
Moved to mendips along the way??

Any ideas, search tips would be great. Tia
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: giggsycat on Wednesday 01 March 17 22:25 GMT (UK)
Hi

We can but try! When and where was your Dad born please? Do you have his Birth Certificate as that will give us the names of his parents? From that we can look for the marriage of his parents, and hopefully back we go!

Regards
Giggsy
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 01 March 17 22:26 GMT (UK)
It is always best to start from what you know.

Do you know who your Rogers grandparents were, if not what information does your parents marriage certificate give on your fathers father and who were the witnesses
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: keyboard86 on Wednesday 01 March 17 22:30 GMT (UK)
Hi Mitcheldean & Ross in Wales?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: giggsycat on Wednesday 01 March 17 22:44 GMT (UK)
Mitcheldean is in the Forest Of Dean, Gloucestershire.

Ross is Ross-on-Wye, Herefordshire.

I've been looking on the FOD site but not getting much joy!

http://forest-of-dean.net/joomla/index.php

There are a few Rogers in Mitcheldean, and 79 records for Rogers in Ross, but no Henry that I can see.

Giggsy
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: Claveyminty on Thursday 02 March 17 07:05 GMT (UK)
Wow. Thank you for all your help. My dad has passed so I will have to dig around the paperwork and see what I can find...
My dad was Colin Granville clarke born 15.2.1943
His parents were major clarke and gwendoline mabel rogers (known as mabel)
And I always believed mabel parents were lilian and Henry rogers, but I could be wrong. As they didn't talk much about their family and now my dad is gone it's going to be hard.
I remember dad talking about Mitcheldean and Ross (on wye) and going to primary school there.
I will go and see what paperwork I can find and ask my mum if she remembers anything about them..
Thank you all so much.
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 02 March 17 07:52 GMT (UK)
Did you mean his name was 'Major'  :-\

Freesearch on the 1939 register in Clutton reg dist
Major John Clarke born 1916
Gwendoline Mabel Clarke born 1918
plus one more person
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: Kay99 on Thursday 02 March 17 08:05 GMT (UK)
Possible marriage??

John M Clarke to Mabel G Rogers
Dec Qtr 1938  Norton    5c   1370
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: Claveyminty on Thursday 02 March 17 08:31 GMT (UK)
Hi brilliant that is my dads dad and mum  side and hopefully can go back more on that. Thank you

Though may help me go back as rogers was gwendoline maiden name.

Yes he's actual name was major!

Thank you for all the help- I am new to this.
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 02 March 17 08:59 GMT (UK)
There is a birth registration in Norton reg dist in 1939 Clarke - mmn Rogers who is probably the person
still blacked out in 1939. I won't give more details as probably still living.

If you use freebmd   http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Select births
District Norton Radstock
Start date March qtr 1939
Surname Clarke
mmn Rogers
It should bring up your fathers siblings that were born there. We are not allowed to post details of possible living people

ADDED It looks as though there was an earlier son called Colin who died in infancy  :'(

Norton registration district covers these places
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/Reg/districts/norton%20radstock.html
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 02 March 17 11:09 GMT (UK)
Possible Birth Sep qtr 1918   
Rogers    Gwendoline M   
mothers maiden name Berrett   
Clutton    5c   629

Other children showing on freebmd I will leave you to look up their names which I have not posted in case still living
Donald H (1913)
Kathleen (1915)
Hester (1916)
1923 (female)
1925 (male)
1926 (male)
1929 (male)
1931 (female)
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 02 March 17 11:13 GMT (UK)
Marriages Dec 1912   
Berrett    Florence L   
Rogers    Henry   
Bath    5c   1269

She could also be known by her middle name

You will obviously need to get certificates to confirm what I have assumed.  ;)
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: Claveyminty on Thursday 02 March 17 14:58 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the information. It looks right. with the L for Lilian (and then being known as Lilian), but I have never heard of anyone being called Berrett in the family?
I am a bit stuck now, as the information looks right, but I'm not sure- think there is a story behind all of this somewhere.

Not sure where to go with this now?
wondering if i should persue the berrett bit of it to see if i can find other links to the family? they definetly were in ross/mitchedean at some point so maybe look more into that?
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 02 March 17 15:29 GMT (UK)
You really need certificates to track back and check what has been posted, it is the only way to be sure. Just follow your direct line.

I think that we are all faced with things we have never heard of when doing family history, we are also often told things by family members which turn out to be wrong.

Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: Claveyminty on Saturday 17 August 19 21:27 BST (UK)
Hi all,
After a break i am back to this puzzle. I have managed to search out my grans (gwendoline mabel rogers) family side but i am drawing a massive blank on her husband-
major john clarke or John m. Clarke.
Born oct. 1916, died 1968
As far as i can see mothers maiden name perry.
Clutton district

But really cant go back any more. Any help or ideas would be great?
Tia
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 18 August 19 13:35 BST (UK)
Service records for a George Clarke on Ancestry have wife Caroline Franks (widow) married 1908 Bedwelty
Children
Henry Edward  born 13 May 1902  Port Elizabeth
Eva May born 25 May 1907 Cape Colony

Ernest George 24 March 1911 Bedwelty
JOHN MAJOR 12 Oct 1916 Harptree

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possible marriage Dec qtr 1898   
FRANKS    John Silvester       
PERRY    Caroline       
Newport M    11a   334
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: Claveyminty on Sunday 18 August 19 14:40 BST (UK)
Oh wow. Thank you for that. The Franks connection does ring a bell now.
And the south wales connection links.

Is john major the son of the john franks and caroline perry marriage? Do you think.

Two marriages for caroline. Will have a look on ancestory and see if i can find this .
Thank you.
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 18 August 19 14:45 BST (UK)

Is john major the son of the john franks and caroline perry marriage? Do you think.


Service records for a George Clarke on Ancestry have wife Caroline Franks (widow) married 1908 Bedwelty
Children
Henry Edward  born 13 May 1902  Port Elizabeth
Eva May born 25 May 1907 Cape Colony

Ernest George 24 March 1911 Bedwelty
JOHN MAJOR 12 Oct 1916 Harptree

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possible marriage Dec qtr 1898   
FRANKS    John Silvester       
PERRY    Caroline       
Newport M    11a   334
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: Claveyminty on Sunday 18 August 19 16:21 BST (UK)
Thank you. I read it too quickly!! Starting ti make a bit more sense now.
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 18 August 19 21:07 BST (UK)
The family on 1911

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7P3-188

Not sure where Henry Franks is

Eva sadly died in 1918 in Clutton district
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: Claveyminty on Sunday 18 August 19 21:18 BST (UK)
Hi
Thanks.
From what i can work out henry died young too.

What i cant work out is
Ernest george clark 1911 was born in Bedwelty and john major clarke 1916 in Harptree Somerset

Did George move with them? And why did they move? And when?
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 18 August 19 21:24 BST (UK)
In 1911 Henry is with Granny Franks in Ubley, Clutton district

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7RJ-GQJ

George Clarke's address when he joined up in 1915 was West Harptree, occupation coal miner. He may have moved for work

Not sure about Henry dying young. There's a Henry E Franks the right age who dies in Somerset in 1961

Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: Claveyminty on Sunday 18 August 19 21:28 BST (UK)
Wow. You can tell i am a begineer at all this! Thank you
Title: Re: Mitcheldean/ross
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 18 August 19 21:38 BST (UK)
The Bristol and Somerset coalfields started dying out about the turn of the century.

Many of the miners (like my grandfather and his brother) then sought work in the South Wales coalfields - especially around the Bedwellty Registration District - where my mum was born in 1931!