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Title: William AYLWARD Jnr., Born 01/04/1829,
Post by: BAC3 on Thursday 02 March 17 17:43 GMT (UK)
Hello,

William AYLWARD Jnr., born 01/04/1829, parents William, a Bricklayer, and Elizabeth AYLWARD, two sisters Elizabeth (born 1816) and Mary (1821), all living in 1841 in St. Saviour, Southwark.

William AYLWARD Jnr. was sentenced at the Old Bailey on 12/12/1842 to transportation for 10 years for robbing his father, was eventually sent to Parkhurst Prison and then transferred to the Philanthropic Institute where he remained until February 1847 when released on "parole"   He was NOT transported.   Last known sighting in April 1848 working with his father as a bricklayer and no trace from that point onwards ???

NB:   He was tried as AYLEWOOD, and held at Parkhurst as AYLEWOOD, but the Philanthropic Institute (now the Royal Philanthropic Society) used his correct name AYLWARD.

Can anyone throw light on his whereabouts after 1848 please.

Thank You

BAC3
Title: Re: William AYLWARD Jnr., Born 01/04/1829,
Post by: philipsearching on Thursday 02 March 17 19:02 GMT (UK)
Just a wild thought.

Presumably you haven't found him on the 1851 census or an obvious death registration.  So it might be worth a look on the 1851 census under his mother's maiden name (or if he had a middle name that could double as a surname) just in case he changed his name to hide his past.

Philip
Title: Re: William AYLWARD Jnr., Born 01/04/1829,
Post by: Jomot on Thursday 02 March 17 21:01 GMT (UK)
Have you ruled out the following marriage?

4 Nov 1849, Islington
William Aylward, Full Age, Bachelor, Brickmaker of 1 Henry Street.  Father: William Aylward, the same (sic)
Charlotte Archer, Minor, Spinster of Clarence terrace.  Father: Henry Archer, Labourer
Wit: M Kilby (?), Ann Aylward (her mark)

Amended: In 1851 his age is transcribed as 28 & Charlotte 17, but his age is written rather strangely so Im not sure
Title: Re: William AYLWARD Jnr., Born 01/04/1829,
Post by: Jomot on Thursday 02 March 17 21:27 GMT (UK)
Looking again I think 28 is the correct age so he is possibly the William aged 20 in 1841, living at 33 Bond Street in the same household as William aged 50 - another Bricklayer.

Title: Re: William AYLWARD Jnr., Born 01/04/1829,
Post by: suzard on Thursday 02 March 17 22:22 GMT (UK)
Did William jnr have the middle name Henry??

There is this baptism from Parish register
Spitalfields Christchurchwith St Mary & St Stephen Middlesex
Page 54 entry 425
William Henry son of William & Elizabeth Aylward
born 1 April 1829
baptised 20 Aug 1831
father's occ Bricklayer
address White? St

Suz
Title: Re: William AYLWARD Jnr., Born 01/04/1829,
Post by: BAC3 on Thursday 02 March 17 22:46 GMT (UK)
Thank You Jomot and Suzard,

You have certainly solved some of my problems.........I am extremely grateful.

I shall sleep peacefully ::)

Thank you once again.

BAC3
Title: Re: William AYLWARD Jnr., Born 01/04/1829,
Post by: miw on Friday 03 March 17 14:37 GMT (UK)
It may help to know that our Aylward family in Kent were sometimes recorded as Alyward or Allard
Title: Re: William AYLWARD Jnr., Born 01/04/1829,
Post by: BAC3 on Friday 03 March 17 17:45 GMT (UK)
Hello,

Jomot and I exchanged PM information earlier and the end result is some confusion as to William AYLWARD's actual  identity.    It is known that in 1841 the family were living in St. Saviour, Southwark, but in 1846 or thereabouts the family were now located at 6 Essex Street, HOXTON (details extracted from a primary source).

I wonder if this extra "HOXTON" detail can help to establish a verifiable profie for William AYLWARD ??? ::)

For the moment,

BAC3


Title: Re: William AYLWARD Jnr., Born 01/04/1829,
Post by: heywood on Friday 03 March 17 18:33 GMT (UK)
Hello,
You write:

Last known sighting in April 1848 working with his father as a bricklayer and no trace from that point onwards ???

Where was he in 1848?

Hoxton is close to Islington where the marriage to Charlotte Archer took place.

Where were the rest of his family in 1851?

Heywood
Title: Re: William AYLWARD Jnr., Born 01/04/1829,
Post by: heywood on Friday 03 March 17 18:56 GMT (UK)
A witness to that marriage is Ann Aylward. There is a William and an Ann both baptised Islington with parents William ( brick maker) and Ann.

William- born August 27th 1823 residence Ball Pond.
Title: Re: William AYLWARD Jnr., Born 01/04/1829,
Post by: heywood on Friday 03 March 17 20:19 GMT (UK)
Again re William who married Charlotte.

His address on marriage is Henry Street.

1851 1499/649/40

Ann Aylward 51 yrs widow living in Henry Street. She is still alive in 1861.

Is your interest the Southwark William?
Title: Re: William AYLWARD Jnr., Born 01/04/1829,
Post by: BAC3 on Friday 03 March 17 20:25 GMT (UK)
Heywood,

April 1848 was the last recorded date by the Philanthropic Institute but no address was offered as to where he was working with his father.

His mother's name is definitely "Elizabeth" as recorded by the Philanthropic Institute, so "Ann" has to be discarded unfortunately.

BAC3
Title: Re: William AYLWARD Jnr., Born 01/04/1829,
Post by: heywood on Friday 03 March 17 20:31 GMT (UK)
In that case then, you would need to discard the marriage to Charlotte Archer and the 1851 census.

It seems that it is back to the beginning. :-\
Title: Re: William AYLWARD Jnr., Born 01/04/1829,
Post by: Jomot on Friday 03 March 17 20:58 GMT (UK)
Sorry haywood, that was my fault as I didn't explain properly that the age 28 in the 1851 census tied him back to a different family. 

What's confusing is that there seems to be three William Aylward Sr's in London in 1841 - all Bricklayers or Brick Makers, two of which appear to be married to women called Ann. 

William aged 50 in Bond Street, Southwark with 60-year old Ann.  Son William 20
William aged 45 in Park Street, Southwark with 45 year old Elizabeth.  Son William 13
William aged 44 in St George Row, Hanover Square with wife Ann 40 & daughter Ann 17. 

The first two are bricklayers and not born in County.  The last one is a brickma (sic) and is born in county.  The assumption is that the William who married Charlotte is the son of No.1, but as he was a brickmaker he could equally be a son of No 3 (father & son were both brickmakers on the marriage record).

There is a burial on 19 Apr 1848 in Islington of a William Aylward aged 52, which fits age-wise with William No. 2 or 3, although it's interesting that BAC3 says the last sighting of William Jr was also April 1848.   Only a death certificate is likely to sort that one out!



Title: Re: William AYLWARD Jnr., Born 01/04/1829,
Post by: heywood on Friday 03 March 17 21:17 GMT (UK)
Thanks Jomot.

There is an infant death also for a William Aylward linked to Henry Street. However, this would seem not to be BAC3's William.

I presume that your interest BAC3 comes from a connection to one of William's sisters?

Where are they or his parents in 1851?
Title: Re: William AYLWARD Jnr., Born 01/04/1829,
Post by: BAC3 on Friday 03 March 17 23:11 GMT (UK)


Good Evening Everyone,

Thank you for taking such an interest in William AYLWARD Jnr.

Jomot's posting is extremely important, in that the only option that fits with the above is the second one, that is, parents William and Elizabeth and any mention of Ann as his mother must necessarily be discarded.    This is the only thread to follow, especially as they are specifically named in the primary sources completed on information given by William AYLWARD Jnr. himself.

I shall now light a candle and impersonate Wee Willie Winky 8)

For now,

BAC3

Title: Re: William AYLWARD Jnr., Born 01/04/1829,
Post by: heywood on Friday 03 March 17 23:29 GMT (UK)
Hello,

William AYLWARD Jnr., born 01/04/1829, parents William, a Bricklayer, and Elizabeth AYLWARD, two sisters Elizabeth (born 1816) and Mary (1821), all living in 1841 in St. Saviour, Southwark.

Thank You

BAC3

Disregarding any others then, you have 1841 census and the baptism given suzard which matches the date of birth you have here.
Where do you have sisters Elizabeth and Mary and, if still living, William snr and Elizabeth in 1851?