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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: dtcoulson on Tuesday 07 March 17 09:05 GMT (UK)
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Hello people,
According to my dusty notes from two years ago.....
Eliza Weeks married James Purnell in 1866, Isle of Wight.
She was a 53 year old widow, he was a 71 year old widower.
(She was his third wife named Eliza)
(James Purnell born 1783, died 1868)
Tonight I tried to get some background on Eliza and found nothing.
My notes say she married William Weeks in 1826 and was originally Elizabeth Salter.
However I am no longer sure now that this is all correct since I can find no corroborating data.
>>>> Can I ask you to help me trace Mrs Eliza Purnell back through her life to her beginnings?
Be warned that she is the third Eliza Purnell and that her data is easily confused with data from James's preceding wives.
Thanks
David C
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Weeks/ Salter marriage at Northwood, Hants https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NX6W-3MF
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There's a Mary Salter aged 61 lodging with Eliza Weeks in Newport IoW in 1851
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The 1866 marriage certificate - is Eliza's father named, and if so, who was he?
Family Search say that her father is James Salter, but there is no date for the marriage, nor is there an image available.
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ShaunJ,
very tempting to say that Mary Salter in 1851 is a relative.
She is 19 years older than Eliza Weeks.
If she was an Aunty or mother to Eliza, we would expect that to be listed as the relationship to head.
Salter is also a common name in this area (I think, from what I have seen).
So.... not sure.
If Eliza is a widow by 1851, can we find the death of Mr Weeks, of suitable age, prior to 1851?
-DC
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GRO gives William Weeks (1803-1843), died IOW.
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From FamilySearch:
1841
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M79D-ZSJ
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53 in 1866 - therefore born about 1813ish, so would not have married in 1826?
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Blimey!! I did not do the simple math to check age!
Red-facedly says thanks for pointing that out.
So... we need a new history for Mrs Elizabeth Weeks. Any takers?
-DC
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Until The Age of Marriage Act of 1929, girls could marry at 12 and boys at 14 with parental consent.
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Good point, Shaun.
I just found records for Eliza Weeks (1851) and Eliza Purnell (1881) which give birth year = 1809.
Therefore she could have been 17 at marriage in 1826.
The 1851 & 1881 records give matching family members named Salter.
However, I see that son Frank Weeks was born in 1848.
That's quite a gap from 1826.
GRO death record for Eliza Purnell gives computed birth year 1812.
-DC
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just found records for Eliza Weeks (1851) and Eliza Purnell (1881) which give birth year = 1809
Aged 32 (unusually precise and unrounded) in 1841 which ties in with a birth in 1808/9.
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All tying together quite nicely now.
>>>> Can someone view the actual 1851 census record for Frank Weeks please
Newport, Hampshire, England
Age 3
Occupation School Boy
...(etc)...
Page Number 26
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 1663 / 59
This should be ~15 years old, not 3, to be consistent with 1841 census.
If so, this completes the picture of a woman (Eliza Salter) born 1809, married in 1826 to become Eliza Weeks. She had five children starting in 1827, was widowed by 1841 and living with what could be her younger brother (James) and her widowed mother (Mary). She marries again in 1866 to become Eliza Purnell. She is a widow again by 1881, and her youngest son from the first marriage (Frank Weeks) is still with her.
-DC
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Frank's age on the 1851 census is very indistinct but he appears below Edwin 17 and Walter 11.
He's 12 on the 1861 census at Newchurch, Ryde IoW:
Eliza Weeks 50 monthly nurse, Brixton IoW
Emma Fawcett 30 daur dressmaker, Exeter, Devon
Frank Weeks 12 son Newport
Fanny Fawcett 9 granddaur Ryde
Edward Eyre 2 grandson Newport
William Rashley 18 lodger, groom, Shanklin
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Hi,
I think these prove your Eliza/SALTER/WEEKS to James PURNELL marriage,
England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
1866
Marriage Place: Newchurch, Hampshire
Eliza WEEKS
(Eliza SALTER)
Age: 53
Father: James SALTER
Spouse: James PURNELL
Age: 71
Father: George PURNELL
From IOWFHS,
1866
All Saints, Newchurch
James PURNELL
Eliza WEEKS, SALTER
There is this death,
Frank WEEKS June Q 1842 Isle of Wight 8 162
Age: 5
IOWFHS
1842
Frank WEEKS
Age: 5 years
Newport
I can't see any other Frank that this could be other than the 5 years old Frank living with the SALTER/WEEKS family in 1841.
Regards,
Daisy
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Thanks. Will look at this more closely in the morning.
-DC
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Frank Mason Weeks
Birth registered Isle of Wight, Q/E Sep 1848 Book 8 page 222
Can't find this one on the new GRO index.
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Good work, Daisy. Thanks.
It appears we are looking at two Franks, one who died in 1842 and another born in 1848.
I wonder who was the father for Frank #2?
I found this in Familysearch.
Any chance we are accidentally looking at the birth registration for this young lady?
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Name Frances M Weeks
County Hampshire
Event Type Census
Event Date 1861
Event Place St Mary, Hampshire, England
Ecclesiastical Parish St Mary
Registration District Southampton
Residence Note Grove Street
Gender Female
Age 13
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1848
Birthplace Southampton, Hampshire
Page Number 20
Registration Number RG09
Piece/Folio 675 / 39
Affiliate Record Type Household
[]
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don't think so - I've looked at the image and it's definitely Frank Mason, b IOW
Frances M is born Q4 1847 with a Southampton registration number
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So Frank is born 8 yeas after Mr Weeks dies
IOW FHS site has Frank Mason Weeks' birth registration showing mmn Mason, but I can't immediately find a matching marriage, or any other children of that combination
I note Eliza has a daughter old enough to be the mother - perhaps Eliza then brought him up as hers and Mason is actually his father's surname?
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The only problem with my theory is Emma Weeks married the year before Frank's birth!
Another interesting point is Walter Weeks from 1841 - his mother's maiden name is listed as both Salter and Cheverton
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I saw that Walter WEEKES on the IOWFHS BMD index but oddly there is no matching entry looking at the GRO images. There is a Walter CHEVERTON born in 1841 and the GRO index site gives his mmn as SALTER,
Walter CHEVERTON Jun Q 1841 Isle of Wight 8 226
mmn: SALTER
It looks like Walter died in 1852,
Walter WEEKS Jun Q 1852 Isle of Wight 2b 285
1852
Walter WEEKS
Newport
Age: 10 years
Going back to William WEEKS husband of Eliza SALTER, I'm not sure that the 1843 death is the right one :-\ I think he could be the William WEEKS that married Mary Ann ROYALS in 1827,
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXDZ-HXG
This family is living in Whippingham in 1841 and William's death is noted at IOWFHS as being in the Cowes district in 1843, Mary is then a widow in Newport in 1851.
But if this is right what happened to the William WEEKS that married Eliza SALTER? He is not with her in 1841 but it doesn't show if she is a widow so he could have died anytime before 1851.
I notice that they have 3 of there sons christened together,
Charles
Edwin
Frank
29 December 1839
St John, Carisbrooke
Parents: William and Eliza
I wonder if William was leaving or dying or ??
Sorry more questions than answers ::) :)