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Title: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: ms.page on Monday 06 March 17 23:31 GMT (UK)
Hi. New to this. Looking for Kraut, Eheim and Weiss left Kunzelsau area to come to Derbyshire /Yorkshire

Thanks
Anna



Moderator Comment: Topic continued from German Pork Butchers in Britain (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=408853.0)
Title: Re: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
Post by: SwissGill on Tuesday 07 March 17 07:57 GMT (UK)
Hello Anna and welcome!!

Frederick Eheim married Caroline Weiss 1884 in Sheffield.

On the 1911 Census he gives his birthplace as Künzelsau.

I assume they are "your" pork butchers but without more information such as christian names, birth dates, etc. it will be difficult to help you.

Kind regards
Gill
Title: Re: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
Post by: Carol Woodhouse on Tuesday 07 March 17 11:34 GMT (UK)
Hi Anna,
I come from Chesterfield where my German pork butcher ancestor lived.  In searching through Chesterfield Census data came across the following pork butchers.
Krammer, Augusta
Kraut, George William
Studer, Frederick
Baum, Thomas
Boam, Christopher
Chevin, John
I see Kraut is one of your names.  Try putting a search on each census from 1851 onwards with place of birth, Germany.  Don't use Wuerttemberg to begin with because the recorded spelling 'beggars belief' the enumerators wrote down what they heard!  With the place they lived as Yorkshire or Derbyshire you should get a short list of all those born in Germany.

Hope this helps

Carol Woodhouse

Title: Re: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
Post by: ms.page on Tuesday 07 March 17 12:28 GMT (UK)
Hi

Many thanks. I should have said. I am new to roots chat. Been doing the tree for about 30 years now.  I have these names and am keen to see how many descendants are still around.

Thanks Anna
Title: Re: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
Post by: SwissGill on Tuesday 07 March 17 15:33 GMT (UK)
Hallo Anna

I have these names and am keen to see how many descendants are still around.

It is not possible on this forum to give information on living persons.

Kind regards
Gill
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: barbara13511 on Saturday 18 March 17 08:30 GMT (UK)
I am trying to get in touch with Richard Funk who posted on the old topic.  I have sent a personal message but no reply.  Has anyone heard from him recently.  I have a photograph of a Mr Funk from Sheffield who was an internee in the First World War and am trying to find out exactly who he was.  I am a researcher for Borders Family History Society and we are doing a project on Stobs Camp where this Mr Funk was held before going on to the Isle of Man.

Barbara
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: SwissGill on Saturday 18 March 17 09:05 GMT (UK)
Hello Barbara

I will send your message to a friend of mine who will have his email address.

Fingers crossed!!

Gill
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: barbara13511 on Saturday 18 March 17 10:36 GMT (UK)
Thank you very much Gill. I am sure he will be able to tell me which Mr Funk this is on the photo writing to his wife in Sheffield.

Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Histres on Saturday 18 March 17 15:55 GMT (UK)
Hello Barbara,
SwissGill informed me about your query dealing with the Funk internee at Stobs Camp. Now I found the page of the new thread. It seems as if Richard Funk didn't get a message about your post as the predecessor of the thread was locked after 69 pages and one probably has to begin posting here again personally before getting informed about other people's posts. I have Richard's email address and will inform him.
Best wishes
Histres
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: barbara13511 on Saturday 18 March 17 17:49 GMT (UK)
thanks Histres, though it was a private message I sent to Richard.  I have emailed you.
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: johnbhoy on Friday 21 April 17 08:49 BST (UK)
Total inconvenience trying to find the locked thread and the new thread, and having to try and cross reference, takes the fun out of it all   ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Ericsson41 on Sunday 25 June 17 17:08 BST (UK)
Just come across this.  Most interesting.  My mother-in-law's cousin Elsie Mallows married John Funk, a pork butcher of 50-52 Ellesmere Road, in Sheffield in April 1937.  John was the son of George John Funk and Margerete Sophie Kantenwein.  They married at St Philip's church Sheffield on 13th December 1885.  This ties in with info from Richard Funk on the database.  John Funk, now known as John Ford, died on 12th November 1942.  At the time, he and Elsie kept the Brunswick Hotel on Haymarket.  His mother died a couple of years later aged 79 (she had lived with her unmarried sister Sophia Kantenwein at 52 Crabtree Lane Pitsmoor.  I have noted the likely birthplaces of John George Funk and Margarete Sophia Kantenwein in Richard Funks database, but in the 1901 census this was referred to (for both) as something like "Brabe Sabfeld", Germany.  Can anyone suggest what this should be?

By the way, I note there is still an F Funk, Port Butcher trading at 65 Middlewood Road, Sheffield and in my 1991 telephone directory there was an R Funk living in Sheffield 6.  Richard, perhaps?     
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Sunday 25 June 17 18:25 BST (UK)
Hi Ericsson,

Welcome to RootsChat :)
and to the German Pork Butchers group :)

In the RootsChat database German Pork Butchers
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/
there are a lot of FUNKs, and they all seem to come from Belsenberg in Baden-Württemberg (BWU).
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-quick-search.php?letter1=F&letter2=13&dbsig_num=2#top_data

There are also many KANTENWEIN, mostly from Morsbach (BWU)
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-quick-search.php?letter1=K&letter2=0&dbsig_num=2#top_data

Regards,
Bob
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Ericsson41 on Monday 26 June 17 07:58 BST (UK)
Thanks Bob.

I've added some notes to the record for Sophia Kantenwein.
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Ericsson41 on Monday 26 June 17 08:21 BST (UK)
...and also some for George Funk.
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Ericsson41 on Tuesday 27 June 17 13:53 BST (UK)
Oops!  Red face time.  I had another look at the "Brabe Sabfeld" ref. today and took a pic intending to send it to the expert translators.  But then it hit me that "Brabe Sabfeld" was much nearer to home than south west Germany.  It actually said "British Subject".  Clear as a bell!  Glad that's sorted.
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: johnbhoy on Saturday 14 October 17 16:19 BST (UK)
Looking through the DBSIG, I notice 2 x Families that settled in the Carlisle area when they emigrated in the 19th century. Does anyone else on the Forum have an ancestor that settled in the area of Cumbria / Cumberland.
Also, does anyone have an ancestor that settled in Lancaster

johnbhoy
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: johnbhoy on Monday 13 August 18 16:57 BST (UK)
Note to self: must remember to update my profile, when I change my email address! I've missed a few messages, apologies  :-[
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2 - Lancaster and area
Post by: Henry Holborn on Saturday 09 March 19 18:21 GMT (UK)
Dear all,

I am researching internment of enemy 'aliens' during WW1 and in particular the Lancaster camp. I was wondering if anyone is a relative or knows of anyone interned there. The community in Lancaster was very small, here is a list of the Butchers there:

http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-quick-search.php?dbsig_num=2&place=Lancaster#top_data

They interned boys from fishing vessels and civilians from around the area. If anyone has any family history or reports that would be greatly appreciated.

Best wishes,
Henry
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Henry Holborn on Saturday 09 March 19 18:31 GMT (UK)
Hi There,

I saw that you have an ancester of the Walls, German butchers who lived in Cumbria and also Lancaster. I was wondering if you have any family details about them and how WW1 affected them. I am researching internment in Lancaster during the war and wondering if they experienced any trauma during the time. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Best wishes,
Henry
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: johnbhoy on Sunday 10 March 19 20:31 GMT (UK)
Hi Henry

My apologies for the late reply, I’m currently travelling, but I will contact / pm you within the next 24 hours

With Best Regards

John
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: johnbhoy on Monday 18 March 19 12:53 GMT (UK)
Hi Henry, please see attached a photo of CF Wall, and his Family, in the back yard of 54 Aberdeen St, Lancaster
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: johnbhoy on Monday 18 March 19 12:55 GMT (UK)
Civilian Internment for Christian during WW1
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: johnbhoy on Monday 18 March 19 13:00 GMT (UK)
Christian Wall Internment
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: johnbhoy on Monday 18 March 19 13:01 GMT (UK)
Christian Wall internment 1914 -1918
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: johnbhoy on Monday 18 March 19 13:02 GMT (UK)
Christian internment
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: johnbhoy on Monday 18 March 19 13:07 GMT (UK)
During Christians internment, his wife, Mary Dixon, survived by receiving aid from the Salvation Army. They later became Salvationists.
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: johnbhoy on Monday 18 March 19 13:14 GMT (UK)
Drop me a line if you require any further info Henry

Best Regards

Johnbhoy
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Henry Holborn on Monday 18 March 19 13:31 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Thank you so much for your response. The material you have sent is extremely insightful. I am writing a research project on enemy aliens in Lancaster during WW1 and was wondering if you would allow permission for it to be used there? It would not be published in public and would form part of the project. That is incredible to hear about the family having looked at the census material. Do you have anymore information about Christian after the war and their family. Do you know how Mary Dixon and their children was helped, was it the local salvation army in Lancaster? Anymore information on how they experienced xenophobia would be interesting.
Thank you for sharing your material.

With best wishes,

Henry
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Henry Holborn on Monday 18 March 19 13:45 GMT (UK)
Hi Again,

Just another quick note. It is interesting that Chritian was interned in 1914 then released. It does not say where he was initially interned, but I have an assumption it might have been Lancaster. This is because Newspaper reports suggest 4 people from the district were interned in 1914 there, which could have included him. Furthermore, the date of his release corresponds with the closing of the Lancaster prison, which makes sense why he was then re-inturned in Handforth Cheshire in July 1915. By that time enforcement and internment of aliens had grown in scale as a reaction to the sinking of the Lusitania and the change in government. Hope this is helpful. If you have anymore info about his release at the end of the war I would be fascinated to know.

Kind regards,

Henry
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: johnbhoy on Monday 18 March 19 13:51 GMT (UK)
Hi Henry

You may use the above for your project, no problem.
Unfortunately, I do not have much information from that time period in Lancaster, as it wasn't really spoken about, and never passed down through the Wall Family.
I did contact the Co-Op in Lancaster where Christian was employed as a Butcher, but they understandably, could not provide any information or records, of Christians employment there.
I would believe that Mary joined the Salvationists in Lancaster, but it's something I never chased up.
I'm not sure when they returned to Carlisle from Lancaster after Christians release from internment, maybe there was not a job opening left for him at the Co-Op on his release?
I'll check my records, and see if I have any more info for you

Johnbhoy
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Henry Holborn on Monday 18 March 19 13:53 GMT (UK)
Here is  a photo of a newspaper report from I think November 1914 in the Lancaster Guardian. At the very end it states 4 aliens from the district were interned. Christian could have been one of them.

Best wishes,
Henry
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: johnbhoy on Monday 18 March 19 13:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Again,

Just another quick note. It is interesting that Chritian was interned in 1914 then released. It does not say where he was initially interned, but I have an assumption it might have been Lancaster. This is because Newspaper reports suggest 4 people from the district were interned in 1914 there, which could have included him. Furthermore, the date of his release corresponds with the closing of the Lancaster prison, which makes sense why he was then re-inturned in Handforth Cheshire in July 1915. By that time enforcement and internment of aliens had grown in scale as a reaction to the sinking of the Lusitania and the change in government. Hope this is helpful. If you have anymore info about his release at the end of the war I would be fascinated to know.

Kind regards,

Henry

Yes I had noted that Christian had been released and then reinterned, when I first started researching, & could not understand why. Your information about the closing of Lancaster prison, may be the answer
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: johnbhoy on Monday 18 March 19 13:57 GMT (UK)
Here is  a photo of a newspaper report from I think November 1914 in the Lancaster Guardian. At the very end it states 4 aliens from the district were interned. Christian could have been one of them.

Best wishes,
Henry

I have not seen that before Henry, thanks for posting, very interesting reading
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: johnbhoy on Monday 18 March 19 14:07 GMT (UK)
A photo of the Family after the War, going by their ages, probably taken in Carlisle
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Henry Holborn on Monday 18 March 19 14:33 GMT (UK)
Wow incredible photographs. Interesting to hear that they stayed in the UK as many migrated. If you have any other material such as letters or notes I would love to read/ look at them.

all the best,


Henry
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: johnbhoy on Monday 18 March 19 15:10 GMT (UK)
I'll see if there's anymore info for you Henry.

I don't think Christian would have gone back to Germany after the war, as he had resided in the UK since 1892, & probably thought of the UK as his home.

Christian married in 1898 to Mary Dixon. Mary was English & from Bewcastle.
The 7 children were English born also, which makes Christians 4 year internment, at the age of 42, seem very harsh in todays climate.
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Henry Holborn on Tuesday 02 April 19 13:03 BST (UK)
Hi again,

I hope you are well. Just to ask do you have anymore information about the family during the conflict, how they survived, and the support from salvation army? Don't worry if not. Anything you can find would be greatly appreciated. If you like I can send some info on the camp.

All the best,

Henry
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: johnbhoy on Tuesday 02 April 19 15:51 BST (UK)
Hi Henry

We're not sure how further we can go, as other Family members hired genealogists, & came back with what we already know.

I may contact the Salvation Army in Lancaster, and see how far back their records go.

I would be very interested to see any details on the internment camp, that would be great

Best Regards

John
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Henry Holborn on Tuesday 02 April 19 17:28 BST (UK)
Hi John,

No worries cheers for that. Here are some extracts:

All the best,

Henry
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Henry Holborn on Tuesday 02 April 19 17:29 BST (UK)
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Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: johnbhoy on Wednesday 03 April 19 06:02 BST (UK)
Wow, looks like some great reading there Henry, that is very much appreciated.
I'm sure others will have an interest, thanks for posting  :D
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: sticky02 on Tuesday 30 April 19 16:18 BST (UK)
here is the image it would not let me attach
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: sticky02 on Tuesday 30 April 19 16:46 BST (UK)
As I can not see my previous post I will try again
I am stuck with Ivor Noel Blake, born 25/12/12 in Hull.
He came back from Australia in 1932 travelling with George E Blake aged 59 a Decorator from 2 South View, Queens Street, Withernsea. who I presume was his father, so I then start looking for George Blake b1872c no trace, no marriage, nothing other than a headstone for the Hohenrein family with the Blakes on it ??  So I started looking for Ivor N Hohenrein and found a match, so went to father George and he was a Hohenrein too.  Now on his marriage to Rosetta Fry in 1895 it says that Georges father is a George Frederick Hohenrein a Butcher, so he is the one you have mentioned on here, but you all say he only had 2 sons Charles and William, well I think George is another one but he was a Decorator ??
Am I right or on the wrong track ?
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Biibs on Monday 06 May 19 15:23 BST (UK)
Hi there,

I wondered if anyone knew about the Mogerleys in Carlisle? My German grandfather was interned in Ireland and the Isle of Man. His cousins owned Mogerleys in Dumfries (taken over by the Littles in the 70s.)

Many thanks

Barbara Mogerley
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Sentinel on Tuesday 14 May 19 12:05 BST (UK)
I would be interested in finding out more regarding the Abendschein family.
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Histres on Thursday 16 May 19 00:15 BST (UK)
I would be interested in finding out more regarding the Abendschein family.

Hello Sentinel, I found an Abendschein family in a German archive in Hohenlohe. They lived in Stachenhausen. Two of the children emigrated to England.
Regards
Histres
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Sentinel on Saturday 18 May 19 12:11 BST (UK)
Hello Histres
The two children who emigrated to England were Johan Jakob (b 1832) and Karl Friedrich (b 1841) both of whom set up as pork butchers in the north east of England.
Regards
Sentinel
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Saturday 18 May 19 13:44 BST (UK)
Hello Sentinel,

Welcome to Rootschat :)

are you more interested in their lives in Britain, or also in their ancestors in Germany ?

Here are a couple of links, where you might be able to find out more:

The RootsChat German Pork Butchers Database
Searching for ABENDSCHEIN shows 4 entries
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-quick-search.php?dbsig_num=2&letter=A&surname=ABENDSCHEIN
All entries are from 'paulne', who has said here (with some details)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=767549.0
that she is related to this family. Perhaps you could get in touch with her.

And if you enter ABENDSCHEIN in the RootsChat search box, there is another mention of a Johan Jakob A.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=438133.0

Good luck!

Bob
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Histres on Saturday 18 May 19 14:47 BST (UK)
Hi Barbara,
You will find out more about the Mogerleys when you use this link that leads you to the databose of German pork butchers in Britain.
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/dbsig/dbsig-quick-search.php?dbsig_num=2&surname=MÖGERLE#top_data
Just click on the magnifying glass to the left of the surnames to get more information about each specific person. 
Margaret Mogerley may also be of interest to you.
Good luck,
Histres
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Histres on Saturday 18 May 19 15:20 BST (UK)
I would be interested in finding out more regarding the Abendschein family.

Hello Sentinel,
As Berlin Bob pointed out, there are also three different Abendscheins in the German pork butcher database. They were from NIEDERSTETTEN. The records were created by "Paulne". Unluckily Niederstetten was spelled wrongly by her. It also seems as if "Paulne" is in contact with another relative who also is related to the Abendscheins. Perhaps you can get in touch with her to exchange information.
Best wishes
Histres
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Sentinel on Tuesday 21 May 19 10:39 BST (UK)
Hello Histres
I will contact Paulne as you suggest and reply to Berlin-Bob.  Hopefully I will then have enough postings to have a conversation with somebody!  Thanks for your help.
Peter :)
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Sentinel on Tuesday 21 May 19 11:17 BST (UK)
Hello Berlin-Bob

Many thanks for your reply and I will follow up the leads that you suggest.

I'm interested in the Abendschein family as I also have pork butcher ancestors who came from Niederstetten (Friederich family).  I have discovered that one of my 2nd great aunts married an Abendschein and was the mother to the Johan Jacob Abendschein and Karl Friederich Abendschein who settled in the north east of England.

I'm therefore interested to know more about what happened to the family and whether there are any remaining descendants, to whom I would be distantly related!

Thanks for your help.

Peter
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: LouRoll on Wednesday 24 June 20 18:27 BST (UK)
Hi,

I am new to RootsChat, and this is my first message.

I am searching on my German ancestors, who came from around Künzelsau, Württemberg, to Wakefield, Yorkshire, in the first half of the 19th century to work as ‘’Pork Butchers and Bacon Factors’’ (census quote).

These are Frederick, Louis (Ludwig) Roll (said to be born about 1820) and his wife Dorothea, born Fisher (said to be around 1815). They lived in Kirkgate, Wakefield, as shown in the 1851 and 1861 Wakefield census, and are shown to have been both naturalized English.

I am a descendant of one of their children, Frederick, Louis, Roll, who was born on November 29, 1852, in Wakefield (I have the birth certificate), and who married Alma Bagshaw in Gravesend, Kent, on November 22, 1878 (I have a copy of the marriage certificate).

I would be grateful for any help on the following topics:

. finding their date and place of birth in Germany, most likely around Künzelsau, Württemberg, and maybe identifying their German parents. .
. finding the time when they emigrated to Yorkshire, England.
. identifying the wife’s full identity: she is shown with a  maiden name of Dorothea Fisher, but the 1851 census shows a widowed ‘mother in law’ in the Family, listed as Rosina Hoffman (shown as born in about 1787 in Germany)…could this mean that Dorothea’s actual maiden name would have been Hoffman, and that she married a first time with a Mr. Fisher, who may have died early so that she re-married with Frederick, Louis, Roll?
. finding their date and place of death.
. finding the date when their son Frederick, Louis, Roll and his wife Alma Roll (born Bagshaw) left England to immigrate to Bordeaux, Aquitaine, France (and switching in the process from pork butcher and bacon factor to wine trader), where they died respectively in 1916 and 1914.

Thanking you for any guidance Rootschat members may provide,

Best regards,

LouRoll
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: limehouse79 on Saturday 11 July 20 13:46 BST (UK)
Hi LouRoll

Frederick Roll married Dorothea Fisher on 10 March 1844 at St John's Church in Wakefield.  Frederick's father is noted as Henry Roll, Gentleman and Dorothea's father as Charles Fisher, Grocer.  Witnesses were Louis Sehwald? and P Septinstall.  Source - Ancestry
Frederick/Friedrich is included on the german pork butcher database under ID 679 and Dorothea Hoffmann ID 357 with a note that this couple married.  Both entries by Histres. 
There is a citizenship declaration for Francois Roll born 17 November 1820 with a birthplace Saverne in the Ancestry records in the Alsace-Lorraine, Germany, French Citizenship Declarations.  This is dated 22 September 1872.  I cannot see any UK Naturalisations for Frederick Roll.

Hope this may be helpful.

limehouse79
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: LouRoll on Tuesday 21 July 20 17:00 BST (UK)
Hi limehouse79,

Thanks for your message with answers to my intial questions.

Your initial indications match what I have learned in the meantime from German sources.
However, the second part, about a French 'Francois Roll' does not seem to relate to my own ascendants (the name Roll being common in Germany, Switzerland and North-Eastern France).

I have also learned that Ludwig, Friedrich Roll, who married Christine Dorothea Fischer in 1844, was a son of Georg Heinrich ROLL (15.01.1793 Künzelsau, † 13.12.1867 Künzelsau) and
Rosina Magdalena KRÄMER (09.04.1789 in Künzelsau, † 17.10.1872 in Künzelsau) who married in Künzelsau on 07.02.1815.

For your information, Ludwig, Friedrich Roll and Christine Dorothea (Fischer) had 5 children in Wakefield. Three of them ultimately returned to Künzelsau, Württemberg, Germany, while the 5th one, Friedrich/Frederick, Ludwig/Louis, who was born in 1852 in Wakefield, Yorkshire, married Alma Bagshaw (from Gravesend, Kent) and emigrated to Bordeaux, France where they settled and had four children.

Best regards,

LouRoll

 
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: horpeline on Friday 07 May 21 12:21 BST (UK)
Hi,

I am new to this forum so please apologize if I am not using it correctly!

We saw the entry of Lorenz Eichhorn (#28186) in the database and are curious to connect with descendants! We are descendants of the Hempel family; with whom he had opened a butchery in Perth, Australia and have some materials like photographs etc that we thought could be interesting for the family and wanted to share.

Thank you!
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Mowsehowse on Tuesday 17 August 21 11:33 BST (UK)
I have been reading this thread, and was particularly struck by the reply: #21 on: Friday 09 October 2009 at 21:34 BST, from Bongo Ali, (re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 1) which included this totally fascinating link:

http://www.manxnotebook.com/fulltext/sh1920/ch07.htm


Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Gervaise94 on Friday 04 November 22 11:19 GMT (UK)
Hello,

I am a descendant of German pork butcher William Hees (Johann Karl Wilhelm Hees) son of Daniel Hees and Anne Maria Mueller. I already have quite a lot of info on him courtesy of other RC members but welcome any more about him and to fill in the gaps. Also interested to learn more generally about German Butchers in the Black Country, Bauer casings, internment camps etc.

Happy to provide info to anyone else researching Hees!

Some info on him:

Born in 1867 Bopfingen Germany, parents Daniel Hees and Anna Maria Mueller
He lived in poverty, his early family life was filled with hardship
Moved to Bad Mergentheim in 1851
Confirmed in protestant church in Bad Mergentheim
Emigrated to Birmingham in 1895, worked in a sausage factory
Married Catherine Goodman in 1899 in Birmingham (She was an Irish catholic from Whitechapel)
Worked at Bauer Casings in Wolverhampton 1899 onwards
Interned during WW2 at Surrey first followed by Knockaloe, Isle of Man
Separated from wife sometime between then and 1948, his death in Wolverhampton aged 82.

I was also in touch with the Knockaloe internment camp archive who was very helpful and said she will look out for any information. It's worth doing if you are connected to this camp through your German ancestor. Here is the latest email she sent me:

"Living so close together in wooden huts within in a compound surrounded by barbed wire was an extremely difficult experience for most of the men, particularly those men with families at home, and we explore the impact of life in internment at all of the camps on the internees and their families in detail at the Visitors Centre and it is here that we collate the records on every internee held at any Camp in the British Isles. We have information shared with us all of the time relating to well over 40,000 men who were interned in the British Isles, so we shall look out for anything we can find specifically relating to William during his time in internment at Knockaloe and the other camps.
 
Although there is no photograph or other information specifically referenced to William that I can see as yet, now that we have completed this stage of research and as we progress we shall start to drill down into the more detailed information as we get it collated over the coming months and years. Your completed GDPR signatures allow us to contact you as anything becomes referenced as directly relevant to him."

Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Mowsehowse on Friday 04 November 22 11:30 GMT (UK)
Can you supply a contact for Knockaloe please.
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Gervaise94 on Friday 04 November 22 11:54 GMT (UK)
info@knockaloe.im

Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Mowsehowse on Friday 04 November 22 11:58 GMT (UK)
Excellent.  Thanks.  :D
Title: Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain - 2
Post by: Mowsehowse on Friday 04 November 22 16:29 GMT (UK)
Excellent.  Thanks.  :D