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Title: looking for:Mary Hollands nee Metaal
Post by: lnr on Tuesday 07 March 17 20:34 GMT (UK)
Mary RENNIE married cornelius Metaal 1865 had a son George Rennie Metaal She then married Thomas HOLLANDS 1865. I do not know what happened to Cornelius.Thomas died 1896 and is buried in Allanton cemetery Dunedin.Mary was still alive then according to his probate. I would also like to find out when and where Mary Rennie came to Nz. Mary and Thomas had 4 children.thanks lnr
Title: Re: looking for:Mary Hollands neeMetaal
Post by: lnr on Tuesday 07 March 17 20:36 GMT (UK)
sorry made a mistake mary married cornelius 1865 and thomas 1866 thanks lnr
Title: Re: looking for:Mary Hollands neeMetaal
Post by: spades on Tuesday 07 March 17 21:16 GMT (UK)
Hi Lnr,

Cornelius's surname was spelt MITAAL at his marriage.

There's a marriage for a George Cornelius Rennie METAAL in 1891. Was he the son you referred to?

Spades


Title: Re: looking for:Mary Hollands neeMetaal
Post by: spades on Tuesday 07 March 17 21:44 GMT (UK)
Found this on Papers Past (there are over 180 entries for METAAL):

Otago Daily Times, 21 November 1866, Page 4
SHIPPING.
A Mrs METAAL was a passenger on the Otago travelling from Port Chalmers to the Bluff and Melbourne.

This was the earliest entry I could see.

Do you know when Cornelius METAAL arrived in New Zealand? And did he and Mary RENNIE marry in Otago?

Otago Witness,  8 March 1894, Page 27
METAAL.— On the 1st March 1891, at her residence, Greytown, the beloved wife of George C. R. Metaal; aged 26 years.

Otago Daily Times, 19 January 1918, Page 6
ORR—METAAL. —On December 19, at King Street Congregational Church, by the Rev. G. Heighway, Lieutenant Alfred ORR, N.Z.E.F., youngest son of Alfred Orr, Balfour, to Jessie M„ only daughter of George METAAL, Kingston Crossing.

Spades
Title: Re: looking for:Mary Hollands neeMetaal
Post by: spades on Tuesday 07 March 17 21:52 GMT (UK)
I found two marriages in Scotland for a Cornelius METAAL:

To Margaret MILLER on 4 December 1829 at Lasswade, Midlothian, Scotland
To Elizabeth GREENWAY on 1 June 1837 at Edinburgh parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

Was this man the father of your Cornelius, perhaps marrying, then widowed, then marrying again?

Spades
Title: Re: looking for:Mary Hollands neeMetaal
Post by: spades on Tuesday 07 March 17 22:06 GMT (UK)
Hi Lnr,

You mentioned above that Thomas HOLLANDS died in 1896 and was buried in Allanton Cemetery, Dunedin.

The only Thomas HOLLANDS I can see listed at Allanton Cemetery died on 1 January 1878, age not recorded. In the same plot are interred a Jessie HOLLANDS and a Mary HOLLANDS, same date of death, ages also not recorded, and a Charles HOLLANDS, age 43, died 4 January 1869.

Are they connected?

Spades

Title: Re: looking for:Mary Hollands neeMetaal
Post by: spades on Tuesday 07 March 17 22:11 GMT (UK)
Got her!

Otago Witness, 11 March 1908, Page 51   
DEATHS.
HOLLANDS.—On March 3, 1908, at her residence, Momona, Mary, relict of the late Thomas Hollands.

I suspect that the date of death of 1 January 1878 on the Cemeteries website for Thomas, Jessie and Mary  HOLLANDS is spurious. I suggest you contact the Dunedin City council and request a correction for all three individuals.

Jessie died in 1902:

Otago Daily Times, 3 December 1902, Page 4
DEATHS.
HOLLANDS.-On the 1st December, at the residence of her sister (Mrs E. MORELAND), Green Island, Jessie Rennie, the second daughter of the late Thomas Hollands, of Allanton. Private interment.—A. J. Wynn and Hope, undertakers, 36 St. Andrew street.

Spades
Title: Re: looking for:Mary Hollands neeMetaal
Post by: Lucy2 on Tuesday 07 March 17 22:17 GMT (UK)
Description of Headstone from Allanton Cemetery :

"Our dear father, mother and sister, Thomas HOLLANDS, Mary HOLLANDS, and Jessie HOLLANDS".

Site:   Stone is a white marble book :
Title: Re: looking for:Mary Hollands neeMetaal
Post by: minniehaha on Wednesday 08 March 17 00:20 GMT (UK)
Photograph of the Hollands' headstone.......

http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/facilities/cemeteries/cemeteries_search?recordid=73399&type=Burial


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: looking for:Mary Hollands neeMetaal
Post by: lnr on Wednesday 08 March 17 00:55 GMT (UK)
 Hi yes George  is Marys Son Cornelius and and Mary married in dunedin, Thanks for the death of mary can now get her death cert.mary and Thomas had  4 ?children a daaughter Jessie Rennie Hollands died 1902 aged 32. Saw the births on Ancestry for possible Cornelius  so will chase this up also and saw a mariners satement for a Cornelius Metaal aged 16 b abt 1838 as a ships apprentice so may be him. Maybe he just sailed away and left poor Mary and Thomas Holland has taken him on. How did she get away with marrying the next year( Bigamy)againIf Cornelius was born in Larnark i think his father may have married twice will have to try and take one step at a time Really appreciate your time and effort thanks lnr
Title: Re: looking for:Mary Hollands neeMetaal
Post by: spades on Wednesday 08 March 17 01:44 GMT (UK)
Hi Lnr,

You're welcome.

You mentioned a mariners statement on Ancestry for a Cornelius METAAL, a ship's apprentice.

Can you tell us the name of the vessel and its departure point or destination, please? Is it likely that he arrived in New Zealand on this ship?

Spades
Title: Re: looking for:Mary Hollands neeMetaal
Post by: Janette on Wednesday 08 March 17 03:33 GMT (UK)
The 1841 Scottish census has
Wilsons Land, Old Dalmarnock Road, Lanark, Lanarkshire, Scotland

Widow     Metaal born Scotland 1801 aged 40 yrs
Cornelius Metaal born 1838 Lanarkshire, Scotland aged 3 yrs

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: looking for:Mary Hollands neeMetaal
Post by: lnr on Wednesday 08 March 17 04:52 GMT (UK)
 he was registered of his indenture 1 march 1855 port of reg Leith scotland Vessel They say SYIEN but looks like TYRAC to me thank lnr
Title: Re: looking for:Mary Hollands neeMetaal
Post by: wivenhoe on Wednesday 08 March 17 05:37 GMT (UK)
NZ BDM   
marriage
1865 / 8483 RENNIE Mary   m. METAAL Cornelius    ( 3 Jan 1865)

birth
1865 / 17097 METAAL Cornelius George Rennie  parents     (28 Feb 1865)

marriage
1866 / 8986 METAAL Mary  m. HOLLANDS Thomas   (25 Sep 1866)

At reply #3
Otago Daily Times, 21 November 1866, Page 4
".....Mrs METAAL.........Otago  travelling Port Chalmers to the Bluff and Melbourne"

Is there another Mrs METAAL around?

There are two marriage records, 1865 and 1866, that would be useful to you....occupations, ages, witnesses....anything.
Title: Re: looking for:Mary Hollands neeMetaal
Post by: minniehaha on Wednesday 08 March 17 07:59 GMT (UK)
Information obtained at registration of marriages above [1865 & 1866]........

From 1854 – Marriage Act 1854 (Dated 1 January 1855)
Bride and Groom

When and where married
Name and Surname
Age
Rank or profession
Condition
Name of officiating minister (or Registrar)
When registered
Signatures

Signatures of bride and groom
Signatures of the witnesses
Signature of officiating minister (or registrar)
       ********
[Age however often shown as "full".]


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: looking for:Mary Hollands neeMetaal
Post by: SignalHill on Thursday 09 March 17 02:13 GMT (UK)
Four marriages on Presbyterian Archives website of immediate interest

http://www.archives.presbyterian.org.nz/synodregionmarriages.htm

Knox Church Dunedin
METAAL Cornelius full age   RENNIE Mary no age shown    03/Jan   1865   
METAAL George Cornelius Rennie 26y   ABRIM Susan 23y   04/Sep   1891   

East Taieri Parish (est 1854 next settlement north of Allanton on SH1)
HOLLANDS Elizabeth Bennett 19y   FLEMING Alexander Peter 21y    06/Oct  1904   #19/22/6

South Taieri Parish(est 1900 )
HOLLANDS Charles William 32   REID Stella Garden   21  19-Sep   1919   #19/54/2

Signal



Title: Re: looking for:Mary Hollands neeMetaal
Post by: SignalHill on Thursday 09 March 17 20:56 GMT (UK)
There is also this marriage a bit further south in Edendale

Edendale - Brydone Parish
HOLLANDS Annie 20y   WATERS William Manson 27y    01/Jun   1909

Signal
Title: Re: looking for:Mary Hollands neeMetaal
Post by: lnr on Thursday 09 March 17 21:45 GMT (UK)
Hi Thanks for all this info am tracing up all given here. I dont know if there was another mrs Metaal. If there was and it isnt Mary nee Rennie whom was she. Cornielius seems to have disappeared but he was a sailor??? and you know what sailors do. I am not going to get the marriage certs 1865/66 yet as probably wont get much info. Mary was1st married in the Knox church Dunedin. thanks lnr