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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: Forfarian on Wednesday 08 March 17 09:13 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone happen to know whether this address was a residential home in 1977?
James Macdonald, merchant seaman, married Margaret Marjorie Mougg in Glasgow on 29 November 1951. He was a widower, aged 67, and she was a spinster, aged 42. His parents are named as John Macdonald, shepherd, and Mary McCorquodale. She was the daughter of Margaret Marjory Durnan, widow of David Moug.
James Macdonald is listed in the valuation roll at 4 Leighton Place, Callander until 1955/6, and both he and Mrs Marjorie Macdonald are listed there in the electoral register until 1955/6. James died on 7 August 1955 at 4 Leighton Place, aged 73. His parents are listed as John Macdonald, shepherd, and Mary Macaulay, and his wife's name as Marjorie Douglas. The informant is his son.
Mrs Marjorie MacDonald was listed in the valuation roll and in the electoral register at 4 Leighton Place from 1956/7 until 1961/2, after which she disappears.
Margaret Marjory Moug, widow of James Macdonald, died at 28 Glen Gardens, Callander on 8 April 1977. Her death was registered by her son, ? Macdonald (was he in fact her stepson?). Allowing for creative spelling, he got her details and parentage right.
So is the Marjorie Macdonald who disappears in 1962 the same one who turns up in 1977? And if so why is she not listed in the Electoral Register in Callander after 1962? Did she move away and come back 15 years later, or was she taken into care at the age of 53?
Am I safe to deduce that this is indeed one and the same person?
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Looking at google maps, it currently looks to be very much a housing estate, and likely was the same in the 1970s, judging by the house styles. Panning around the street, I can't really imagine that it would have been the address of a Residential/Care Home.
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Thanks, scotmum.
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Glen Gardens is a housing estate in Callander.
I work in Callander, went to high school etc there and it has always been houses.
There are some small bungalows near Glen Gardens that are council owned and used more for elderly residents but come under a different street name .
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Thanks, monks13.
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I can have a wee dig around for you.
There are still lots of MacDonalds in Callander.
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I can have a wee dig around for you.
There are still lots of MacDonalds in Callander.
Thanks. Appreciated, and my apologies for being slow to acknowledge.
I am pretty sure the 'son' who registered her death in 1977 must have been a stepson. I'll PM you his name, as he could still be alive.
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This was not a residential home it was Marjorie home address. She was my Grand Mother. She moved from Leighton place to Glen gardens and the person reporting her death was her son Ian MacDonald who also lived at 28 Glen Gardens.
My mother was Finella MacDonald. If you need more info let me know.
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Thank you, Kjell2411.
I see that this is your first post. Once you have made two more posts to the forum I will be able to contact you by personal message with a view to exchanging notes. I have quite a bit of information about Marjorie that might be of interest to you.
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There appears to be a queiry regarding Marjorie's whereabouts from 1962 to 1977 she moved from Leighton Place to a Prefab I cannot remember now the exact address, the prefabs where located at the bottom of Camp Place, possibly Willoughby Place in that area, not sure if this was temporary accomodation while the houses in Glen Gardens where being built. She then moved to Glen Gardens, Ian MacDonald my uncle (son/Stepson I'm confused now) moved back in with Majorie some time later and stayed at the that address. Ian's wife still lives at that address.
I have to admit that this new information that you have posted is all new to me. I only put Majories details into Google after recently visiting an old uncles place in Dumfries & Galloway and I was trying to make the family connection between this Uncle and my Grand Parents.
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Yes, she seemed not to be in the register of electors for a spell. This might account for her being missing.
If you reply to this post I will be able to send you the information I have.
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Hope this helps, I’m sorry I can’t give you an address relating to the prefab cottages, it was a local authority property and I only remembered that I helped her move from 4 Leighton place, I was 19/20 at the time.
Ian Macdonald passed away about 5 yrs ago and as I said his wife as far as I know still lives at 28 Glen Gardens.
The only other family that still live in Callander are Angus Macdonald (local electrician) lives on Main Street. Hector Macdonald the eldest son of James (my grandfather) passed away about 7yrs ago, his wife Nancy still lives on Main Street, their sons Alex and Stephen live with their families in the town. Alex now owns 4 Leighton place.
Hectors daughter Nancy I believe lives in the Edinburgh area.
My mother Finella was the second eldest, she passed away 3rd Dec 1998 she lived in Wales in her later years.
Florence Mowatt nee Macdonald moved to Canada Montreal in the late 50’s never to return, I met her in Montreal in 1987.
Rodrick (Roddy) moves around for a lot of years ending up in Thun, Switzerland. He passed awash some 10yrs ago. His family still live there.
Angus and Ian ive spoke about, there’s only one other Marie Macdonald she passed away probably 1999. Hector, Ian, and Marie are laid to rest in Callander cemetery.
I would be interest to know you interest in my Gran and family.
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I will send you a Personal Message.
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I was surprised and intrigued to come across this thread. Mrs Macdonald was my grandmother too. I would be interested to hear about your interest in the family history 'Forfarian'.
It's been a while since you posted your notes, so I hope it's not too late to make contact.
Hope to hear from you. Thank you.
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Hi getcharlotte, welcome to RootsChat.
My interest is that as far as I know all the Mougs (spellings vary wildly) in Scotland are descended from David Moug and Margaret Guthrie, who was my 1st cousin 6 times removed, and I was looking for information about what became of Margaret Marjory Moug, born 1909.
What has turned up is a little more complicated than I had expected. I am happy to share with you but I can't send you a Personal Message until you have made 2 more posts.
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Hello,
I would be very interested to hear what you turned up in your research..
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..and perhaps I could offer what I know to help fill in gaps.
Thanks so much for posting so quickly.
Best wishes.
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Hi everyone, I'm not sure if you're still using this, but I'm trying to help my Mum look into her family tree. We did a DNA test and Angus MacDonald comes back as a 1st-2nd Cousin. He's posted that his Dad is James MacDonald and his Mum is Marjorie Moug. When I did a search on Marjorie Moug it took me to this thread. I'm trying to help my Mum find out who her Grandfather is. From looking through the MacDonald family tree, I don't think she's related to any of them. The ages don't match up. I think she might be related to Marjorie's Dad who's not named on her birth cert. I just wondered if you know where Majorie's family lived before she was born in Fife by any chance?
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Still here, and welcome to RootsChat.
I do have quite a lot of information about Marjory, sent to me privately by others who have posted in this thread.
Marjorie Moug was the illegitimate daughter of Margaret Marjory Durnin, widow of David Moug (spellings vary). So she is not a blood relation of my Moug family.
She married James MacDonald in 1951.
However on James' death certificate she is named as Marjory Douglas, and there are eight births of children to James MacDonald and Marjory Douglas between 1928 and 1950. On all but the first one the parents say they were married on 2 January 1925 in Fremantle, Western Australia. There is no matching marriage in the marriage index for Western Australia.
I speculate that Marjory Margaret Mugg/Moug and Marjory Douglas are one and the same; that her father's name was possibly Douglas; and that for some reason James and she could not marry (perhaps he was already married) so they invented a fictional marriage in a place so distant that it would be unlikely that anyone would try to enquire about it. I noted that the birth certificate of their eldest, born in 1928, suggests that they were not married, because it was signed by both James and Marjory.
As far as I know Marjory's mother Margaret Marjory Durnin/Durno/Durhan/Durnie etc was born and lived her whole life in Kincardineshire. I don't think she could have gone to live in Fife between 1905, when her youngest son by her husband was born in Kincardineshire, and 1909, when Marjory was born, also in Kincardineshire, because she had six children already whom she could hardly have abandoned.
However it is quite possible that Marjory's father, name unknown but maybe Douglas, could have come from Fife.
Margaret Marjory Durnin was also illegitimate. Her father Peter Durnin absconded after fathering her and was last heard of in Glasgow. He could have moved at a later date to Fife.
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Thank you for that info. The names and spellings do seem to keep changing. We believe my great grandmother was a Governess at Kelburn castle. So I was just wondering if Margaret had any links to that area but it doesn’t sound like it. It seems like we have three different illegitimate children in different areas by the same man. So he must have moved around, perhaps for his job.
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Do you mean that Marjory Margaret Moug was a governess?
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No, sorry. My Great Grandmother, Marion Primrose Ross was a Governess. She had my Grandmother, Hope Primrose Ross as an illegitimate child. We have a DNA match to Angus MacDonald as a 1st or 2nd cousin. I think the link is through the father of Marjory Mugg(Moug). All the MacDonald men at the right level of the family tree are a bit old so it’s unlikely they are the father. We also have a stronger DNA link to a 1st cousin who is also an illegitimate child.
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My Great Grandmother, Marion Primrose Ross was a Governess. She had my Grandmother, Hope Primrose Ross as an illegitimate child. We have a DNA match to Angus MacDonald as a 1st or 2nd cousin.
Can I just ask, is your 1st/2nd cousin match a living person?
We are not allowed to post info. of living/possibly living persons i.e. using initials would be an idea.
What are your shared cMs & how many segments with A MacD?
Have you gone through your shared matches with A MacD?
These may be useful to you (I found them both very helpful)...
https://www.danaleeds.com/the-leeds-method/
https://dnapainter.com/tools/sharedcmv4
The connections are only a guide to possibilities & further investigation is useful (I'd recommend) with the above links!
I have a 578 cM across 21 segments match (1st/2nd cousin) who has (so far) turned out to be different from the 1st/2nd cousin approximation!
Annie
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Thanks Annie. The highest matching cousin Ella (1636 cM) has died unfortunately, but we worked out the link to our family through her granddaughter. AMacD shares 1154cM. The next two highest are 404 and 372, but they are not responding to messages and have no family tree on ancestry for me to compare names on. Everyone else is 178 and less. So, I don’t think we’ll work out who the man was that fathered these three girls unless someone else related to him does a DNA test at some point in the future. I think we just need to accept that now, but thanks for your help.