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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: avotier on Saturday 11 March 17 09:15 GMT (UK)
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Can someone point me in the right direction please.
Trying to find the birth on an Agnes McKnight Pryce born 1932 I know when and whom she married 1958 but the birth is baffling me.
Her father was John George Pryce.
Agnes is now deceased.
Would the McKnight perhaps be her mothers name or was it used as a maiden name.
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Agnes marries with an alternative surname of Murphy?
So her birth could be as Agnes Murphy, or Agnes Pryce, or even Agnes McKnight?!
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Yes I know she married Murphy aka De Bie
I have tried the different names Agnes Pryce,Agnes McKnight and also McKnight Pryce can you add
any name yourself even if its not one you are registered with.
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The actual marriage entry is:
Pryce, Agnes M spouse Murphy
Pryce, Agnes M spouse De Bie
Murphy, Agnes M spouse De Bie
Murphy, Agnes M spouse Murphy
De Bie, Berend A spouse Murphy
De Bie, Berend A spouse Pryce
Murphy, Bernard J spouse Murphy
Murphy, Bernard J spouse Pryce
Which shows that both Agnes and Berend/Bernard were known by other names, and that McKnight was not a surname.
Was Agnes denoted as a widow or a divorcee on the Marriage Certificate?
Finally, why do you think she was born in London?
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Was stated as spinster on the marriage certificate.
Always said she came from London just remembered her family was Jewish.
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They were married in Register office Wood Green.
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Have you looked at the 1939 Register?
There is, living in Wembley Metropolitan Borough:
Agnes M De Bie (Murphy, Pryce) Birth year: 1932
John G Pryce
And 5 other people.
2 more people who are officially closed
The full record might offer further clues?
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Thank you for that I will check it out.
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Trying to find the birth on an Agnes McKnight Pryce born 1932
Her father was John George Pryce.
Her death gives dob but I can't see a birth reg in that quarter on FreeBMD ???
Agnes Mcknight De Bie died age 72 born 20 Mar 1932
Date of Registration: Jan 2005 Greenwich London
Register Number: B86 District and Subdistrict: 229/1B Entry Number: 280
Did her father John G Pryce marry Selina A WHEAT in Basford 1912?
The only birth reg. but not correct surname ???
Mar 1932 Basford
ELLIOT Kathleen L mmn Wheat Basford 7b 259
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Its really baffling so many maiden names they used between them Brian aka Barend, Bernard. and Agnes aka Nancy amongst a few.
Will check those surnames you have given me.
Thank you all for this help
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There is also this confusing marriage?
December qtr 1929
Bromyard Reg. District vol 6a, page 179
Pryce, John G
Owens, Enid M
Confusing, because the volume & page numbers are not consistent with the district of Bromyard?
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Its really baffling so many maiden names they used between them Brian aka Barend, Bernard. and Agnes aka Nancy amongst a few.
Will check those surnames you have given me.
Thank you all for this help
Nancy is just another form of Agnes. Barend is a Dutch name meaning 'bear' and Bernard is just another form, Brian likely used as more 'English' sounding version so they haven't really changed their first names much.
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From London Electoral Register date 1947 have John G & Selina A PRYCE are living at
21 Brinkburn Gardens haven't checked all the dates but Agnes M Pryce is with them 1955
There are others but don't know if they are deceased - can send you a PM with the names if you don't
have access to Anc*y to look
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gets more baffling.
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If you would send me the info be brilliant Ladyhawk.
Seem to be the one fingers x
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From the free search on the 1939 National Register, the following are in the same household as John G and Agnes:
Selina A Pryce (1894)
John J Pryce (1913)
Robert W Pryce (1927)
William C Pryce (1923)
Mary W Bell (Pryce) (1920)
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Doing a free search on 1939 Register I used the address given from the London Electoral Register
21 Brinkburn Gardens and surname Pryce - this is what the free search shows
John G Pryce 1890 Wembley M.B. Middlesex
John J Pryce 1913 Wembley M.B. Middlesex
Robert W Pryce 1927 Wembley M.B. Middlesex
Selina A Pryce 1894 Wembley M.B. Middlesex
Mary W Bell (Pryce) 1920 Wembley M.B. Middlesex
Agnes M de Bie (Murphy,Pryce) 1932 Wembley M.B. Middlesex
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Snap KGARRAD :)
avotier sending you a PM now
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Thank you both so much for all the help and info you have given me.
Ann
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It's looking like the children were not born in England or Wales?
I can't find any of them on FreeBMD!
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It's looking like the children were not born in England or Wales?
I can't find any of them on FreeBMD!
Neither can I ???
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Nothing on Passenger Lists?
Nothing on Isle of Man Indexes, either?
Certainly a puzzle! ;D
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Well baffling names and dates don't match the same on some sites.
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This looks interesting?
Scotland 1891 census
Roll: CSSCT1891_320, Household schedule number: 127
3 Post Office Row, Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Pryce, John Head M 31 Steel Worker b Old Monkland
Pryce, Agnes Wife F 28 b Kirkmichal, Ayrshire
Pryce, William Son M 4 b Bothwell, Lanarkshire
Pryce, Mary Daughter F 2 b Rutherglan, Lanarkshire
Pryce, John G Son M 8 months b Maybole, Ayrshire
Possibly, John G returned to Scotland?
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Thank you for the info looks interesting.
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From trees on Ancestry -
Children:
John Jack Pryce, b 31 Jan 1913 Dalziel, Lanarkshire
Robert Wheat Pryce, b 2 June 1927 Bo'ness
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jOHN G 8months could be Agnes M father.
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The John G could of come to London looking for work.
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jOHN G 8months could be Agnes M father.
That's the point I was making!
And he named a daughter after his mother?!
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my brain is frazzled looking at everything and trying to find who goes with who and as you say different name changes. But many thanks for it all
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Good find KGARRAD
for info. - don't think this has been posted apologies if it has
John G Pryce died age 71 Mar 1962 Willesden Volume: 5f Page: 304
John George Pryce of 21 Brinkburn Gardens Edgeware died 13 Mar 1962
Probate 5 Apr 1962 to John George Pryce Office Manager
Think this might be John’s parents baptisms but not found
his baptims or his parents marriage to confirm
John Pryce
Birth Date: 11 Apr 1856Old Monkland,Lanark,Scotland
Father: Charles Pryce Mother: Grace Ward
Agnes Howard
Birth Date: 29 Apr 1862 Kirkmichael,Ayr,Scotland
Father: Matthew Howard Mother: Mary Watt
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Cant thank you both enough i have been looking for a marriage between Pryce and Mcknight being Agnes jnr middle name was Mcknight.
I would of been looking for ever.
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Robert Wheat Pryce, b 2 June 1927 Bo'ness
death
Robert Wheat Pryce age 74 born 2 Jun 1927
Date of Registration: Sep 2001 Swindon Wiltshire
Register Number: C59B District and Subdistrict: 7961C Entry Number: 131
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Think this might be John’s parents baptisms but not found his baptism or his parents marriage to confirm
John Pryce Birth Date: 11 Apr 1856 Old Monkland,Lanark,Scotland
Father: Charles Pryce Mother: Grace Ward
Agnes Howard Birth Date: 29 Apr 1862 Kirkmichael,Ayr,Scotland
Father: Matthew Howard Mother: Mary Watt
It looks as if John George Pryce & Selina Ann Wheat possibly gave another child a middle
using a family surname
MARY WATT BELL born 29 6 1920
Death quarter 4
Death year 2001
District Bromley
District number 2221B
Register number B43
Entry number 286
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Mary W Pryce married 1943 Hendon D K Bell
There's a Private family Tree on anc*y - have you seen this mentions names
Brain/Berand Murphy/De Bie, Agnes aka (Nancy) McKnight Pryce born 1932
I thought Berand's De Bie name range a bell with me now I realize I had posted a reply to your
thread - Feb 2017 Headed Murphy http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=764397.0
have posted link so not to duplicate efforts
and that you posted a message on another thread started by diplodicus (2010) head LUGARD http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=492670.9
quote you from this thread (2012)
Daisy E.G.Lugard born 1921 married Bernard Joseph Murphy aka Brian Murphy 1939
though there is no decree nisi Daisy married N Eaton in 1955
My interest is that Bernard Joseph was my fathers brother, his real name was
Barend Arnoldus De Bie born in Holland 1915.My fathers name was
Hendrik Leondert De Bie born 1912
Perhaps Agnes M Pryce/Murphy/De Bie's middle name McKnight might turn out to be a family surname further down the line ???
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Thank you for all this info have got so much I can now work from and hopefully find the Agnes McKnight issue.
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I think you are worrying too much about the McKnight name?
I have an ancestor whose middle name intrigued me for years.
Turns out to be the maiden name of his maternal grandmother!
Others have both first and second names of family friends - reciprocated by the other family!
So I have a Baker Garrad, a Garrad Baker, and a few other variants!
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Poor you bet you was as baffled as I have been for many weeks looking,but many thanks for everything.