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Research in Other Countries => Other Countries => Topic started by: Barry Emmott on Tuesday 14 March 17 16:02 GMT (UK)
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My grand-daughter has a Chilean mother and I would like to trace that side of her ancestry. Any help or advice will be most welcome.
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Just as a starter, FamilySearch has a few Chilean records.
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/location/1927143?region=Chile
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Stating the bloomin' obvious, the first step is to talk to Chilean Mama and get all the information you can from her. Names, locations and dates, where known.
In many South American countries (including Chile) children used the (male line) surnames of both parents, for example Miss Lopez Perez would be the daughter of father Lopez and mother Perez; this could lead to a marriage of Lopez Castro and Perez Guevara - thus you get two more surnames to work with.
Philip
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Unfortunately there are problems with the course suggested. I am aware of the surname situation but sometimes the actual father didn't make the grade, is "bad news" and not mentioned in polite company. I was wondering if there was a Chilean version of our Free BMD. The lady in question uses a stepfather's name so I go nowhere in that direction !!
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Can you read Spanish? If so, here is the website of the Servicio de Registro Civil e Identificación de Chile which handles birth, marriage and death certificates. BUT to use it, you need to enter with a valid Chilean ID number. I noticed that they have a section called 'Archivo Histórico' but nothing happened when I clicked on it. You could try writing to them to see how to proceed.
https://www.srcei.cl/
This seems to be their email contact point::
https://www.registrocivil.cl/OficinaInternet/servlet/MuestraPagina?contexto=0&pagina=/OficinaInternet/servlet/Contactenos?tipoContacto=1
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I notice that you are located in Pinner, Middlesex. Google tells me that this is part of greater London. So, as an alternative you could go to the Chilean embassy [or call them] to find out if it is possible for a foreigner to get access to the Records held by the Regístro Civil and, if so, how to go about it.
Embassy of Chile, London
Address: 37-41 Old Queen St, Westminster, London SW1H 9JA, UK
Hours: 9AM–5:30PM
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I only have one relative born in Chile. My ancestry is largely made up of Coal Mining Managers and my Routledge line was the most successful of all of my lines. Norman Davie Routledge born 1 Aug 1914, Concepcion,, Bio-Bio, Chile. Died 25 Jul 1985, Port Erin, Isle of Man. From my notes on baby Norman "Most of Chile's coal is/was mined south of Concepcion in Arauco Bay".
Parents Norman Wilkinson Routledge/Esther Davie Redpath.
Not much of an answer but at least I found him. Bear in mind that Chile is along straggling country and an area like I have would probably help.
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Thanks for the responses. Although I took Spanish one evening a week at night school over 50 years ago and can "get by", my Spanish isn't up to the specialist terms on the Chilean website. I also don't want to go to the Chilean Embassy as word could get back to my Chilean family and I wanted any discoveries to come as a surprise. So, for the moment, my investigations will be halted until I go back to Chile for the 7th time !! Thanks again to erato, philipsearching and barryd. I have other Emmotts, possibly not related but from the same small part of Yorkshire as my own ancestors, who emigrated to Patagonia over 100 years ago, to follow up !!
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Thanks for the responses. Although I took Spanish one evening a week at night school over 50 years ago and can "get by", my Spanish isn't up to the specialist terms on the Chilean website. I also don't want to go to the Chilean Embassy as word could get back to my Chilean family and I wanted any discoveries to come as a surprise. So, for the moment, my investigations will be halted until I go back to Chile for the 7th time !! Thanks again to erato, philipsearching and barryd. I have other Emmotts, possibly not related but from the same small part of Yorkshire as my own ancestors, who emigrated to Patagonia over 100 years ago, to follow up !!
Hi Barry, I might be able to help, I am a local genealogist and know how to use the Civil Registry tools. Perhaps you could help me back, I'm looking for some info about my great-great-grandfather, born in Islington! :P
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Hi Titocanete, I'm grateful for your response. Being retired I find I seem to have less time to follow anything complicated than when I was at work !! I have been fortunate in finding a Chilean descendant of my "Patagonian" Emmotts but unfortunately she doesn't have the same interest in genealogy as I do. However, we have that line sorted out and I need now to try to link "her" Emmotts (from the 19th century) in Bingley, Yorkshire with "my" Emmotts in nearby Wilsden and Cowling. If you'd like to tell me what you want investigated in Islington I'd be glad to help but we're just getting ready for some trips abroad, including Chile, so let me know asap. Cheerz, Baz
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The person whose ancestry I'd like to trace is Hilda Haydée Varas Mellings, born Antofagasta, Chile on 28 Feb 1927. My enquiries in Chile indicate that there were quite a lot of Mellings in Antofagasta and Hilda says that one of her forbears came from Liverpool.
Looking forward to/hoping for some info. Baz.
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The person whose ancestry I'd like to trace is Hilda Haydée Varas Mellings, born Antofagasta, Chile on 28 Feb 1927. My enquiries in Chile indicate that there were quite a lot of Mellings in Antofagasta and Hilda says that one of her forbears came from Liverpool.
Looking forward to/hoping for some info. Baz.
Thanks Barry. Whatever I find, I'll post it here
Hilda born 28 feb 1927, Antofagasta, to Eduardo Varas Varas and Luisa Hayde Mellings Olivares (RC Antofagasta, Nacimientos, 1927, 540)
Eduardo and Luisa married in Antofagasta that same year. (RC Antofagasta, Matrimonios, 1927, 497). The marriage register includes: names of their parents, birth places, and other relevant info. You may consider getting a copy if you are coming to Chile! :)
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The person whose ancestry I'd like to trace is Hilda Haydée Varas Mellings, born Antofagasta, Chile on 28 Feb 1927. My enquiries in Chile indicate that there were quite a lot of Mellings in Antofagasta and Hilda says that one of her forbears came from Liverpool.
Looking forward to/hoping for some info. Baz.
Thanks Barry. Whatever I find, I'll post it here
Hilda born 28 feb 1927, Antofagasta, to Eduardo Varas Varas and Luisa Hayde Mellings Olivares (RC Antofagasta, Nacimientos, 1927, 540)
Eduardo and Luisa married in Antofagasta that same year. (RC Antofagasta, Matrimonios, 1927, 497). The marriage register includes: names of their parents, birth places, and other relevant info. You may consider getting a copy if you are coming to Chile! :)
ADDED: Luisa's parents may be Alejandro Mellings Suárez and María Luisa Olivares Hernández. The National Archive of Chile possesses the archives of the Conservador de Bienes Raíces of Antofagasta, and there I found a "posesión efectiva" (where someone's descendants legally obtain their properties, etc. after their death). Raquel Esther Mellings Olivares, apparently the sister of Luisa Hayde, is the person who requested the inscription.
Alejandro Mellings died 6 October 1963, while María Luisa Olivares died 14 December 1965. Their death registers are: RC Antofagasta, Defunciones, nos. 595 and 1093, years 1963 and 1965 respectively.
Mellings' and Olivares' children were: Luisa Evarista, Blanca Estela, Manuel Alejandro, Raquel Esther, Ruth Neferia (?), Jorge Walterio, all residents at Catorce de Febrero 235 in 1965.
Jorge Walterio died 30 oct 1963, married FLor Irene (or Irma) Salas Reyes, had three children:
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Ruth Hesperia Mellings Olivares, aunt of Hilda Haydée, was born 21 sep 1920, and her birth was registered in the circunscription of Catalina (near Antofagasta) in 1964. The late registration may signify some trouble finding info... (accuracy, in example)
Also, there is a 1896 marriage in Antofagasta (24 jul 1896) of Pedro Merling Viltarre, 27 years old, son of Santiago Merling and Dominga Viltarre, who identifies as a Chilean (then, in the birth registry of a son, as an Englishman), a train driver, and Emilia Alfaro Bernal, 29 years old, dedicated to domestic labours, daughter of José Mercedes Alfaro and Carmen Bernal. He signs as Merling (may be a mispelling?)
I found Luisa Evarista Mellings Olivares's birth in Catalina, 1908 (RC Catalina, Nacimientos, 436, 1908).
Just a historical note: the Catalina circunscription, once named Refresco, was later renamed Salitrera Alemania, until it was supressed and annexed to the Taltal circunscription in 1977.
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Hi Tito
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
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Dawn
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Tito
You may want to post your request for 'Islington' help on this board
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Hi, thanks for your warm welcome! :D
I have to note, however, that everyone I mentioned -except the person Barry indicated- have died, as their names are not included in the electoral registers (everyone living in Chile is automatically registered when turning 18).
Thanks again!!
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Hi Titocanete, thanks for this huge amount of information !! It would be fascinating to get hold of a copy of Eduardo and Luisa's document but I fear not likely to be able to happen. There is a "situation" in the family which precludes that likelihood !! However, I was very interested in the reference to the Salitrera Alemania as we have visited the cemetary there. A rather sad place which lies open to the feet of tourists but at least it gives me some idea of the location. I would still be very happy to investigate Islington, even including the living !!
Regards and thanks, Barry
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It would be fascinating to get hold of a copy of Eduardo and Luisa's document but I fear not likely to be able to happen. There is a "situation" in the family which precludes that likelihood !!
Barry, do not worry, you can still get a copy at any Chilean consulate, indicating the numbers I have provided (RC Antofagasta, Matrimonios, 1927, 497).
I will be contacting you later re. Islington! I still need to confirm it is my great-greatgrandfather who lived there!
Kind regards
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:) I've been a busy bunny since my last post !! Holidays in Italy, Canada and Chile but no possibility of doing enquiries. I twice met the living person mentioned in our exchanges but any local enquiries are not worth the grief they might cause to younger members of the family. However, if there's anything Tito could supply, please PM me.
Happy New Year everybody. ;)
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Tito
You may want to post your request for 'Islington' help on this board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/london-middlesex-lookup-requests/
In case anyone is interested/can help it is here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=777425.msg6402770
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Hi Tito, the living person to whom I referred in my first post on the subject has told us that her granndparents were both English and came out, quite separately, to Peru where they met and married. Part of what is now Chile might at that time have been Peru or even Bolivia, which may add further problems to any investigation. Barry
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I am looking for any information on Eduardo Varas Varas, born Copiapo, possibly around 1903. He was killed in a motor accident in 1927, probably in Antofagasta, just 2 months after the birth of his daughter Hilda. In his Identity Card he is described as chauffeur. Can anybody please help us with Eduardo's antecedents ?
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Hi Barry,
are you sure of the second surname? I have Varas in my father-father-mother line from Copiapó. By the way, I´m from Chile.
PS: just found this chat ;)
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Does this help ? I have to be careful because younger members of the family can be a bit touchy !!
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It might be this person. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FJXS-19D
"Natural children" (born to single mothers) often repeated their surname to make it look as if they were legitimate children. Legally, they only had their mother surname. Legitimate children had their father surname first, then their mother's.
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It might be this person. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FJXS-19D
"Natural children" (born to single mothers) often repeated their surname to make it look as if they were legitimate children. Legally, they only had their mother surname. Legitimate children had their father surname first, then their mother's.
Here is his birth registry. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2S2-2DFB I'm fairly sure this is your Eduardo.
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Sadly my account details for FamilySearch are on my computer back home in England whilst I'm in Santiago and don't remember them !! I cannot access the references.
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Eduardo Aliro Leopoldo Varas
Chile Baptisms, 1585-1932
Nombre: Eduardo Aliro Leopoldo Varas
Sexo: Male
Fecha de bautismo: 04 Mar 1904
Lugar de bautismo: Rosario, Copiapó, Atacama, Chile
Fecha de nacimiento: 20 Nov 1903
Nombre de la madre: Candelaria Varas
Eduardo Aliro Leopoldo Varas
Chile, Civil Registration, 1885-1932
Nombre: Eduardo Aliro Leopoldo Varas
Tipo de evento: Birth
Lugar del evento: Copiapó, Copiapó, Atacama, Chile
Lugar del evento (original): Copiapó, Atacama, Chile
Sexo: Male
Fecha de nacimiento: 15 Nov 1903
Nombre de la madre: Candelaria Varas
Número de certificado: 513
Página: 1
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Many thanks Tito !!
Barry
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Hi Tito, according to Eduardo's descendants, he was a racing driver and possibly killed during a race. But none are old enough to have known him. Could you discover anything on this ?
Gracias,
Barry