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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: C. Macdonald on Wednesday 15 March 17 23:09 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I have a lair number for my Great Grandfathers Grave in Riddrie Cemetery Lair number is A9026
Daniel Stewart Macdonald age 74 is buried in this lair along with what I think might be his married daughter Elizabeth Crawford age 45 and Alex J Crawford age 9 and Jean Kerr or Keir Crawford age 33. Does any kind person know where this lair might be and could take pictures of the headstone, I have no idea where in the cemetery this lair is so anyone's help would be greatly appreciated.
Very many thanks.
Colin Macdonald
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Hi Colin
There is a map of Riddrie Park Cemetery included in this link, with individual areas showing. At least you know where the 'A' section of the cemetery is to be found.
www.glasgowfamilyhistory.org.uk/ExploreRecords/Pages/Burial-Lair-and-Cremation-Registers.aspx
Hopefully someone may be able to help with a photo. When were the burials? Keep in mind that there may not be stone remaining.
Monica :)
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Hi Monika, many thanks for that information, 4 burials in the lair dating from 1912 to 1942, hopefully the headstone is still in place.
C. Macd.
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Colin, just for info re Section A of the cemetery http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/scottishwargraves-ftopic140.html
The Commonwealth Grave Commission has carried out exceptional work identifying all possible servicemen graves. The location of these graves can sometimes help when looking for other graves as they can act as a guide. A few of the graves showing on the link above fall close to Section A 9026.
Just as background really here. You do need someone on foot for this. Just note that some areas seem to now not be accessible. Worth checking whether the grave you are looking for is affected?
Monica
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Thanks again Monica I'll try and check that out.
C Macd.
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Your A9026 is more likely to be the certificate number.
I have title deed certificate number A8741 for Section H, Lair 269. It also has a reference no. of N786 (to add further confusion!).
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Hi Ticketty Boo, thanks for that detail, I don't stay anywhere near so have been unable to go there and search so still hoping someone who knows the cemetery and perhaps visits that section could take a picture if it still exists of the headstone of the grave containing the family mentioned at the beginning of this post. Take care.
C Macdonald.
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Hey
Like Ticketty Boo said, I think the number you have for the lair is the lair certificate number. My 2 x great uncle is buried in Riddrie. His lair is 669, compartment G. His certificate number is A1109.
I am planning on visiting the cemetery at some point to see if I can find my 2 x g uncle’s grave. I would be happy to try to find your ancestor’s grave but I would need an actual lair and compartment number, not the certificate number. Is there a note of the lair number and compartment on the certificate?
If not, can you tell me the first and surname plus day, month and year they died for one of the people who are in the grave and I will see if I can find the grave details from that?
Leanne
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There's a section of Riddrie where graves were lost when the surface collapsed due to an old pit opening up during heavy rain. A dog was carried underground by the flood & tragically its young owner attempted a rescue & was lost also.
I think that section of the cemetery is fenced off. If not part of A or B, it's in that area between the Jewish burial ground & Cumbernauld Road.
Getting that kid up was extremely hazardous work involving the mine-safety guys. Took some time but they eventually got him. Heroes all of them!
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/2181194.stm
Skoosh.
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Details of A9026 at Riddrie Park from the lair book on Family Search
First one buried was Alex J Crawford, age 9, 13 July 1912
Last entry on page
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1G-JQXD-C?i=408&cat=1318291
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Hi Leanne, thanks for replying to my post, I have included the email from the csg archives when I made the enquiry to find my Gt Grandfather Daniels grave it was listed as A9026, I will try and find more detail from them, I don't have the burial certificate which would have helped to pin down the grave. Many thanks and take care.
Colin.
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Thanks for that extra info.
It looks like the lair number is A9026. I just thought it seemed like a certificate number rather than an actual lair number.
I’m not entirely sure when I will be going to Riddrie. Hopefully in the next week or so.
I will comment back once I have visited.
Thank you
Leanne
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Cheers Leanne I really appreciate your kindness to look for and checkout this lair if you get a chance and have the time. I've sent an email with the cemetary plan if it is of any help.
Very many thanks.
Colin.
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I don't think I'll bother to look up any more lairs!
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Passed by Riddrie Cemetery yesterday, the western section adjoining Provanmill Road, from the Jewish burial ground to Cumbernauld Road, is fenced-off & abandoned. Presumably still regarded as dangerous & remedial works too expensive.
Bests,
Skoosh.
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Passed by Riddrie Cemetery yesterday, the western section adjoining Provanmill Road, from the Jewish burial ground to Cumbernauld Road, is fenced-off & abandoned. Presumably still regarded as dangerous & remedial works too expensive.
Bests,
Skoosh.
I went to Riddrie Cemetery last week it looks like the grave C MacDonald is looking for is in the section that has been abandoned. This section is so overgrown. It is impossible to see any of the gravestones even when standing at the edge of the fence that has been put up to keep people out.
L
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Thanks for that detail Skoosh, Leanne kindly sent me some pictures of that area by email when she visited and I thanked her by email and thanks to everyone for their input.
Cheers
Colin.
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It's just a stock-fence Colin & pretty ramshackle, some big monuments therein. It's been erected after the tragedy & just left but wouldn't deter a determined researcher with a machete! ;D
Skoosh.
This was a very old pit probably dating from the late 18th century and not on a map. The land-slip site is only a few hundred yards from the Monkland Canal which was built to break the monopoly of coal-owners like the Gray's of Carntyne by shipping coal into Glasgow from the Monklands. There will be many such pits as yet undiscovered, one opened up in Hogganfield Park, adjacent to the cemetery, when a path was being laid out around the same time.
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I wouldn't chance it myself Skoosh, getting to unsteady on my feet for that and wouldn't expect anyone else to, have to hope the ground is one day cleared and made safe.
Cheers
Colin.